Lets Talk Immersion...

[Schanana]

To me the most immersion braking thing... is still having the first "Hand Cyberware" aswell as the "Anesthetic dots" still show up in the "cinematics". For Christs sake, I have Mantisblades now and changed the hand thingy to the non-intrusive Smart-link tattoo! It's a bug... I knooooow but it really, really makes me sigh in sadness ^^'

 

[ChrissyVicious]

There is no immersion in this game..its barely even a rpg..they were so clueless when making this game..my cut off jean shorts are more powerful than my flack jacket..the team that created the game needs to read every single comment in this forum page and rebuild their game..its so linear and the side content seems like there is heaps to do...but its all tue same stuff..go here..kill this guy..go fetch this..barely an open world..no where to go..most things are locked..

 

[drdoug99]

Just echoing what so many others have said.

I was never one to preorder games. Always waited for sales and the GOTY versions. Just like the Witcher games....finally playing Witcher 3 GOTY about a month before cyberpunk came out. Got it on sale, I'm happy with it. Very great game, I like it for what it is and has a great story, mechanics are well done.

Cyberpunk and SciFi have always been my fav genre, love reading fantasy/scifi books, watching scifi movies, etc. So I let the hype of Cyberpunk 2077 get to me. Pre-ordered the game back in Febuary of this year. (Back when it was expected to come out in April!!!! HAHA)

Playing it on PC, the game runs fine in general. I've came across numerous bugs and glitches, those I can overlook as I know over time they will be fixed. Plus I'm a computer guy so I know how it goes, not a big deal.

What IS a big deal is we were promised "a true living, breathing Night City", among so many other things.

Yes, the city is so alive, it has duplicates of NPC's standing right next to each other. Same clothes, same everything. But different voices, that's if they even respond at all when I try to talk to them. If they do, they respond with a very generic couple word response. Then on the chance they do respond, the lipsync may or may not work. Most times for me, the face stays still but I hear the voice.

Can't do the most basic of things. Sit on a bench or chair. Actually see the cybernetic implants. Customize your robot arms, legs, face, body. What if I want to join the Maelstrom clan and have red eyes and full face implants like them? What if I want to be full Corpo goon and work my way up the ranks of Arasaka? Different factions like in New Vegas?

Everyone is so mad because games like this are possible with a high level of immersion. And this all has been done so much better over 10 years ago. We were promised a game with unparelled levels of immersion. Yes the graphics are good. The story is great. No one is disputing that. But the "living Night City", is a dead husk of a city with nothing to do. I mean ALL the witcher games had mini games, and Gwent was so popular it became a full fledged game of it's own. Cyberpunk you can't even play the arcade games. Which honestly why is there arcade games 50 years in the future. BrainDancing would be the future's arcade games. But you have NPC's who just stand at the same arcade game doing the same motions over and over. So much for the "NPC's have their own lives, with a full night and day system." What a joke.

 

[BlackWolf500.298]

Which honestly why is there arcade games 50 years in the future

Cyberpunk 2020 (the PnP game) heavily draws on 80s/90s culture, that's why arcade games are so prominent. Id say its a peculiar choice, but it's like classical music suddenly being popular again, or chess (on twitch for example). It's a trend like any other. Maybe the chances aren't that high that arcades would become cult in a future like this, at the same time it's not impossible.

Can't do the most basic of things. Sit on a bench or chair. Actually see the cybernetic implants.

That just gave me a thought. You know how our character model technically exists? And how we can view ourselves in the mirror, but also when driving?

Why not include an option to sit down and switch between 1st Person and 3rd Person. That would add a nice touch to the roleplay. You can sit there and take in the city atmosphere, then you press Q and suddenly you're looking at your character and check them out. It's not like the model is not there. You can see it when you're on a motorcycle.

Also can we please make the First Person View in the car and on the bike just a tiny bit higher? I feel like Im a toddler when driving in first person. When I drive my car in real life, I sit a good deal higher, and a bit further back. Driving in Cyberpunk in FP literally feels like I am zoomed in way too much and can't take in all of the street, I constantly cause accidents. In real life my peripheral vision actually gives me a good overview of the street. In Cyberpunk the spaces where that peripheral vision would be are cut short and you are basically blind. You have to literally turn your head left and right constantly. Which is not how this should be working. (sorry for the small rant there at the end)

 

[Rqin_]

If you walk into a restricted room and someone is chilling in a "Safe" area, then they'll suddently beg for their life to be spared. Or when you're driving 190mph in city, lose control and accidently run over 4 citizen, giving you an instant 4 stars warrant, spawning a drone RIGHT in front of you in the next 2 seconds and launching a rocket right into your vehicle sending you to valhalla.

 

[apeabel]

The big problem I see with immersion is that a lot of bugs force you right out of the experience. I can think of three just around Silverhand scenes, from my own playthrough:

1. During the scene where Johnny tells you why he hates Arasaka, he sat next to an NPC that promptly decided to T-pose right then and there. Kinda ruins the tone when that's center screen.
2. The digital effect on Johnny's head is often missing
3. During the Johnny moment after interrogating Hellman, a rouge cigarette started glitching around, origin: his right hand (he has another, properly animated one, in his left). The dialogue was there, the mood was there, the story was there. The supporting structure? Shaky

I haven't run into issues that prevent me from progessing through the main plot, but bugs that ruin immersion are frequent.

 

[kanival]

immersion.... i have a gun silencer ( google translator) they discover me i can't remove the gun silencer (google translator) without enter in the character menu...... aa.... yyy... oswaldo que carajos? 1rst person, 3rd person, 2077 person... isometric person, turn based person....

 

[Trykz]

Not much.. My role playing brain takes over and I become blind to most bugs, glitches and flaws. Probably happens because I've just gotten used to playing so many buggy releases. I mean, I have played every Bethesda Fallout and TES title at release (except 76 because I don't do online games.) and have had no problems with immersion in those games and they were just as (or if not more so) buggy then this. Unless something completely stops game progression I find it pretty easy to warp in game reality so that a floating pair of chopsticks only exists as a hallucination.

Truth be told, I think Skyrim was buggier than CP2077 all the way up until after patch 1.5 which broke almost every mod ever

 

[WileyMarmot]

Un-intimidating looking female character goes by gym with a ton of muscle freaks pumping iron. Punches punching bag once and they literally all run for their lives...

So what breaks your immersion so far?

At last! Someone who can take the trash out besides me!

 

[UglyCrone]

What broke the immersion for me:
I stroll through Pacifica, help out a vendor dump some thugs, he promises me a discount for his goods, I go into his inventory, he has nothing to sell, I mean nothing in terms of no items at all, his inventory is empty. Plus, where the vendor's name should be it only states "Missing Vendor Name"...
moreover: cars exploding without a cause, NPCs walking through me, I walk through NPCs, I can literally swap my cyberware like my underwear without any consequences or at least an animation, nobody bats an eye when I steal their goods right in front of them, enemies wait nicely until I shoot them before they attack me, ugly clothes, no cyberware visible, NPCs got all the fashion / cosmetics / cyberware I want, no braindances, no joytoys, the list goes on an on

 

[vahouth]

Talking about immersion, I just replaced the subdermal hand grip for a tattoo for the smart weapons.
Really now?
Why can't I have more than 1 (one) implant in the hand slot? I have 2 hands, right?

 

[overhyped2077]

Hopefully stuff added in a DLC (that should have been with the core game) aren't paid.

 

[Rebel_Raven]

A lack of ways to change how you look in game really just shatters my immersion.
No visual implants/augmentation, no face changer, not even a barber shop.
Even if it was just a visit back to the character creation screen.

 

[KeyMeister]

More animated shit! PLEASE! Like food, drinks...ripperdoc chair, eating in restaurants, drinking shots in bars.

Bugs happen i get that when game is so massive, but i need my roleplay Immersion!!

OMG, this, this, this!!!!!!!!!

 

[JGD85]

Un-intimidating looking female character goes by gym with a ton of muscle freaks pumping iron. Punches punching bag once and they literally all run for their lives...

So what breaks your immersion so far?

I would like to see more interactive things to do in the city. While driving around it's beautiful and immersive but Night City feels a little empty with activities. Maybe they can work on this in future updates?

 

[IWinWithPewPew]

I found a tall building near brendon and when u stand on the nearby boxes/dumpsters you can walk into the building walls and find urself stuck in an infinite loop of falling and dying through the map. I made some cool matrix-like-screenshots Xd but theyre on my playstation

 

[ChuwieShowTv]

- Cops spawning right after I commit the crime, literally out of nowhere and then they stop chasing you after 10 sec.
- In racing, car rubber band in front of you if you are winning, or right behind you because AI is poor and cant drive to save its life.
- How driver AI cant navigate past a blockade on the street. You can park your car it the middle of the street and AI wont be able to do anything.
- How you can steal everything INCLUDING MONEY from everyone and they don't care.

There is plenty more, just the starters.

Edit: Weapons don't break down, no car modifications, can't change haircut or beard after character creation, no drinking or eating animations

AND THE BIG ONE! LifePaths dont matter. Literally after first 20 minutes you can forget that you were a corpo or nomad since everyone treats you like a street kid.

 

[Greeneo]

OMG, this, this, this!!!!!!!!!

And funny is they have all those animations in missions they can do that even modders were aible to do this with witcher 3

 

[Xvorg]

Immersion, immersion... everyone looks for immersion, but I think few people understands that immersion has nothing to do with how the game is done, but how your mind processes the information around.

For example, one of the first experiences I had with immersion was playing Doom I. Amazing game? Yes. Filled with bugs? Of course, but that didn't make it less enjoyable as an experience. Similar situation while playing Final Fantasy VI... I mean, the Opera scene is one of the most amazing cuts in the history of video games, and it was done on a super nes cartridge, with an SD character design that pixelated every time you moved the character, while you hear a song played in midi. Not even the bad translation broke the immersion, because it has nothing to do with the game, it has to do with you.

God, you can even feel immersion while listening a song, or reading a book. Do an ill played note breaks your immersion when hearing a good song? Do a misspelled word on a lousy edition breaks your immersion when reading a good book?

Or is it that you are looking for those mistakes? And if that's the case, how can you be trusted when you say bugs break your immersion if you are not deepening enough into the game?

2077 is the most immersive game I've played in the last 10 years, even with the amount of bugs it had before patch 1.04. Good news is that bugs can be corrected, while a lousy story no (and we have had plenty of those games that look pretty enough after bug patching, but even the best patch can't correct abad script).

 

[kurthansen1988]

Immersion, immersion... everyone looks for immersion, but I think few people understands that immersion has nothing to do with how the game is done, but how your mind processes the information around.

For example, one of the first experiences I had with immersion was playing Doom I. Amazing game? Yes. Filled with bugs? Of course, but that didn't make it less enjoyable as an experience. Similar situation while playing Final Fantasy VI... I mean, the Opera scene is one of the most amazing cuts in the history of video games, and it was done on a super nes cartridge, with an SD character design that pixelated every time you moved the character, while you hear a song played in midi. Not even the bad translation broke the immersion, because it has nothing to do with the game, it has to do with you.

God, you can even feel immersion while listening a song, or reading a book. Do an ill played note breaks your immersion when hearing a good song? Do a misspelled word on a lousy edition breaks your immersion when reading a good book?

Or is it that you are looking for those mistakes? And if that's the case, how can you be trusted when you say bugs break your immersion if you are not deepening enough into the game?

2077 is the most immersive game I've played in the last 10 years, even with the amount of bugs it had before patch 1.04. Good news is that bugs can be corrected, while a lousy story no (and we have had plenty of those games that look pretty enough after bug patching, but even the best patch can't correct abad script).

Well said. For me immersion is more to do with the realism of how npc interactions take place in the world around me. most of all it's the little details. Being able to play the slot machines, arcade games, seeing an npc kick an empty can, a fist fight breaking out, random events, and just more of how things are like in the real world. There's a good variety of NPC's though it would be cool if their outfits were all generation by AI and more voice lines. Overall it's a game I see that has a ton of potential and CDPR will definitely be busy fixing bugs. A lot of people don't realize it's a first of it's kind by the developer where as Rockstar has been doing the GTA franchise for some time now. I think CDPR did a great job and it's not the developers fault for the game being pushed out too quickly. I'll continue to enjoy the game in it's current state and look forward to what it will hopefully become down the road.