Here's the excuse for every flaw of this game.
Fine, i get it, you can't talk bad of this game because it's one of the best of the last few years. Boom. End of discussion.
Fine, i get it, you can't talk bad of this game because it's one of the best of the last few years. Boom. End of discussion.
Well... yes.
CDPR is a company that makes games.
They make a game I want to buy - I buy it.
They make a game I'm not interested in - I don't buy it.
Pretty simple, isn't it?
All the talk about lies, deception and whatnot is worthless. So is the drama around it. Why? Because in the end it's your money and it's up to you whether you want to spend your money on the game or not, and you should make that decision after the game's release.
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I,personally, think that the Witcher 3 is a better game than the previous one, so for me things change for the better. I don't know what you mean when you say 'on this route'. Could you elaborate?
You gotta do it in the right forum. Believe me, we've ripped this game to bits.
I guess apparently this game was some sort of conspired disaster, :youdontsay: ,Other than 3-4 bugs I sure had a good time in my play throughs. Maybe when I get some time with the mod kit I will too find it *x files music*
CDPR also isn't like most developers. They have access to a lucrative stream of income from GoG. It may not be equal to Valve's, but it still sets them apart from other companies. I am also fairly certain that they received financial subsidies from the Polish government to develop TW3. Regardless of whether that's true or not, I don't think Valve is an unfair comparison because they are both independent developers who publish their own games and have access to a digital distribution platform. And when I was discussing how and when developers make changes to their games, I believe that I also cited Irrational as another example of a company which continued cutting content late into the development cycle.
Asking questions - in a respectful and mature manner - is one thing, waxing lyrical over a version of TW3 that exists only on the cutting room floor is another. I don't like these kinds of threads because they usually devolve into the latter.
I honestly don't see much of a difference. The link which you provided in your previous post led me to a screenshot of Velen which was slightly bleaker than what appeared in the final product. That's it. The texture quality of Geralt's armor also looks slightly better, but even then, I'm squinting to see the difference. Maybe I just have bad eyesight.If you prefer the current art style, I respect your opinion. Everyone has different aesthetical tastes.But to say that it doesn't look any different is simply untrue.
Once again, it boils down to personal preference. With Irrational, those earlier demos where built specifically for trade shows. Ken Levine has said this. TW3 is a very different beast compared to that. Also GOG and CDPR are two separate companies. Although they're owned by the same parent company, CDP, I highly doubt that any profit from GOG was used to fund TW3. In contrast, Steam is Valve. Profits from Steam can be directly used to fund Valve projects.
If you can't see any difference between the visual design in this demo, and the final game, I mean... even the REDS would argue with you, because they've said to Eurogamer that it changed, and that it should have been communicated better. It's not the visual change that people here mainly talk about. When certain things about characters are said in interviews, and then they don't make it into the game at all, you should tell people why. I've never waxed lyrical about anything. Every few months, some fans here (or me) will ask the questions we've asked since the game came out with the hopes of getting an honest answer. That's not rude or offensive to anyone. Yes, some people get very err emotional (I'm not going to say whether that's right or wrong), but the majority of us remain calm. I ask these questions because I love the series. You won't find a bigger fan on the African continent.
Every project has cut content. TW3 has too much. This is only what we know about too.I've spoken to people who work in the local industry here. On this scale, it's not normal. The majority of projects are precisely planned in pre-production so that people don't spend time working on content which won't make it into the game. Developers have so little time as it is. These things weren't cut in pre-production. They were cut years into active development, once they had already been worked on. It's not a conspiracy theory. These things were in the Alpha, and some were still in the Beta too. Ignoring leaked documents, there are is a lot of content said and shown in interviews that didn't make it into the game.
We can argue about this all day. It not a rabbit hole I really want to go down in this thread, as I would like it to remain open. Feel free to PM me if you want to chat more, otherwise all I can say is that I respectfully disagree with your opinion about this.
If you can't see any difference between the visual design in this demo, and the final game, I mean... even the REDS would argue with you, because they've said to Eurogamer that it changed, and that it should have been communicated better. It's not the visual change that people here mainly talk about. When certain things about characters are said in interviews, and then they don't make it into the game at all, you should tell people why. I've never waxed lyrical about anything. Every few months, some fans here (or me) will ask the questions we've asked since the game came out with the hopes of getting an honest answer. That's not rude or offensive to anyone. Yes, some people get very err emotional (I'm not going to say whether that's right or wrong), but the majority of us remain calm. I ask these questions because I love the series. You won't find a bigger fan on the African continent.
Every project has cut content. TW3 has too much. This is only what we know about too.I've spoken to people who work in the local industry here. On this scale, it's not normal. The majority of projects are precisely planned in pre-production so that people don't spend time working on content which won't make it into the game. Developers have so little time as it is. These things weren't cut in pre-production. They were cut years into active development, once they had already been worked on. It's not a conspiracy theory. These things were in the Alpha, and some were still in the Beta too. Ignoring leaked documents, there are is a lot of content said and shown in interviews that didn't make it into the game.
We can argue about this all day. It not a rabbit hole I really want to go down in this thread, as I would like it to remain open. Feel free to PM me if you want to chat more, otherwise all I can say is that I respectfully disagree with your opinion about this.
Mind linking? Or if you can't, could you PM me?
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Back on topic. Anyone know what 0/3 Green Ghoul could have been? What is that in the distance in the second image, to the upper right of the Aard sign.
Also, I'm busy typing all the text into Google translate. I'll post here when I'm done.
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Believe me I'm not happy at all with how their handled their PR and my image of CDPR has definitely been damaged but since the quality of the game (which to me is the most important thing) was still very high and this was their first time releasing an AAA multiplatform title intended for a global audience which require a different marketing strategy compared to how they have handled things in the past I don't think they have done enough just yet to deserve our total rage and hopefully they have learned their lesson. Time will tell.
Other companies have done much worse too.
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Google translate is having trouble identifying this language. It think it's Latin, but struggles to translate it. Any suggestions? Why do I get the feeling that this is just a random collection of words? I think I just wasted my time.
Ladies of the Wolf in Forest:
Curabitur sed lacinia quam. Nullam quis ultrices ipsum. Nulla euismod purus.
Grapeshot:
Ambiguentos ourem telomus pist et aloreipsem lumina cavernus em estimulatis biuguet nuelia amaris enermea unga
Phasellus quis justo in dui aliquam sollicitudin. Morbi sed risus suscipit velit blandit porttitor ut sed risus. Sed ac luctus lectus, sed pharetra neque. Proin tincidunt diam enim, non cursus massa mattis quis. Phasellus ultrices mauris vitae vehicula vestibulum.
Ut libero nulla, convallis non nisl sit amet, molestie sagittis ante. Integer vitae odio sagittis, aliquet felis sed, iaculis purus. Nulla ante nulla, fermentum et nulla vel, scelerisque vulputate elit. Nam et erat dignissim, convallis velit blandit, condimentum turpis. Mauris sit amet rutrum libero. In hac habitasse platea dictumst.
Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Etiam quam libero, auctor nec lacinia dapibus, faucibus non lectus. Donec et justo ut odio vestibulum condimentum. Cras scelerisque varius nisl, et viverra nisl vestibulum ut.
Ut libero nulla, convallis non nisl sit amet, molestie sagittis ante. Integer vitae odio sagittis, aliquet felis sed, iaculis purus. Nulla ante nulla, fermentum et nulla vel, scelerisque vulputate elit. Nam et erat dignissim, convallis velit blandit, condimentum turpis. Mauris sit amet rutrum libero. In hac habitasse platea dictumst.
Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Etiam quam libero, auctor nec lacinia dapibus, faucibus non lectus. Donec et justo ut odio vestibulum condimentum. Cras scelerisque varius nisl, et viverra nisl vestibulum ut.
Gryphon Steel school Sword:
Nulla mollis dignissim lectus, vel dapibus mi sollicitudin sed. Pellentesque fermentum purus a dapibus venenatis.
Cat potion:
Etiam et nisl non arcu tristique vestibulum. Donec tempus ante millis orci posuere accumsan. Suspendisse potenti. Mauris at arcu tristique, porta mi a, ullamcorper lectus. In eget varius lacus, at rutrum justo. Orci posuere accumsan. Suspendisse potenti. Mauris at arcu ristique, porta mi a ullamcorper lectus.
Cartsin eget varius lacus, at rutrum justo. Orci posuere accumsan. Suspendisse potenti. Mauris at arcu tristique vestibulum. Donec tempus ante mollis orci posuere accumsan. Suspendisse potenti.
Cartsin eget varius lacus, at rutrum justo. Orci posuere accumsan. Suspendisse potenti. Mauris at arcu tristique vestibulum. Donec tempus ante mollis orci posuere accumsan. Suspendisse potenti.
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Why do you all keep mentioning other companies? I'm not interested in what other companies do, we're talking about CDPR.Other companies have done much worse too.
If what i'm doing is driven by total rage, well, you've not see anything. I've not joined this forum to defame and accuse CDPR of their actions. But when things like this happen, we should say ok? Fine? Continue like this because we don't really care? I'm not like that.
Have i said that they have to burn at the stake? No but, because i care, i'm concerned.
Am i exagerrating? This was only an isolated accident? I hope so.
Anyway, let's end it here, the topic of this thread is about the cut content. PM me if you want to say something
Because I'm trying to cool things down, before it gets locked, mate.
:smile:
Too much valuable stuff in here for it to get nuked.
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No, you're right, if you're unhappy about something, you're free to express that. With a few conditions: first of all, this is an 18+ forum, so you are expected to act like an adult when posting, as indicated by the rule about keeping discussions civil. That means emotional outbursts like the one you're having right now are not okay, as they're not conducive to civil discourse.
Secondly, you must do so at the right thread, otherwise it's just spam and unlikely to be taken with any real consideration. This is not the "save CDPR from DOOM" thread, it is the "list of things that were cut/changed" thread. For general feedback on TW3 - positive AND negative - I recommend using this thread: http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/40106-TW3-General-Feedback-SPOILERS
Finally, you've been warned several times to get back on topic already. In the future, you will not be given as many warnings before more severe action is taken by the moderators, if this kind of behaviour is repeated. When you are instructed to do something, we do mean it.
Now, please, return to the topic at hand.
I don't think it supposed to mean anything. It just a random text used while testing the UI.Other companies have done much worse too.
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Google translate is having trouble identifying this language. It think it's Latin, but struggles to translate it. Any suggestions? Why do I get the feeling that this is just a random collection of words? I think I just wasted my time.
Ladies of the Wolf in Forest:
Curabitur sed lacinia quam. Nullam quis ultrices ipsum. Nulla euismod purus.
Grapeshot:
Go the the Lower Level / Vesemir / Elven Catacombs (same description):Ambiguentos ourem telomus pist et aloreipsem lumina cavernus em estimulatis biuguet nuelia amaris enermea unga
Phasellus quis justo in dui aliquam sollicitudin. Morbi sed risus suscipit velit blandit porttitor ut sed risus. Sed ac luctus lectus, sed pharetra neque. Proin tincidunt diam enim, non cursus massa mattis quis. Phasellus ultrices mauris vitae vehicula vestibulum.
Ut libero nulla, convallis non nisl sit amet, molestie sagittis ante. Integer vitae odio sagittis, aliquet felis sed, iaculis purus. Nulla ante nulla, fermentum et nulla vel, scelerisque vulputate elit. Nam et erat dignissim, convallis velit blandit, condimentum turpis. Mauris sit amet rutrum libero. In hac habitasse platea dictumst.
Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Etiam quam libero, auctor nec lacinia dapibus, faucibus non lectus. Donec et justo ut odio vestibulum condimentum. Cras scelerisque varius nisl, et viverra nisl vestibulum ut.
Gryphon Steel school Sword:
Nulla mollis dignissim lectus, vel dapibus mi sollicitudin sed. Pellentesque fermentum purus a dapibus venenatis.
Cat potion:
Etiam et nisl non arcu tristique vestibulum. Donec tempus ante millis orci posuere accumsan. Suspendisse potenti. Mauris at arcu tristique, porta mi a, ullamcorper lectus. In eget varius lacus, at rutrum justo. Orci posuere accumsan. Suspendisse potenti. Mauris at arcu ristique, porta mi a ullamcorper lectus.
Cartsin eget varius lacus, at rutrum justo. Orci posuere accumsan. Suspendisse potenti. Mauris at arcu tristique vestibulum. Donec tempus ante mollis orci posuere accumsan. Suspendisse potenti.
Yeah, I agree with you. Only realised when I was already halfway, and you know... I didn't want to quit.
I guess I wasted my time.
:eredinfacepalm:
I don't believe that for a second, I have a lot of respect of you as a user and your creations and you and everyone else here should have every right to be concerned. (I am too). Just that it can be expressed in calmer way and they have probably heard these things plenty by now. (And hopefully they'll listen).
But yeah let's drop it.
Cutting content does not give more screen time.
At best compared to some other characters if those had more content deleted, but that hardly makes things better, and it is also difficult to judge the relative amounts of screen time removed by various cuts from the limited amount of information that is available in the leaked documents. I think the editing probably did not make a huge difference to the balance of content between the main characters. However, what matters the most is whether the deletions caused any issues that can be noticed without reading the leaked stuff, and that does seem to be the case here. Also, when it comes to importance in the story, deleting a character in one of the largest and most important quests (Ugly Baby - now I found it in "W3 ALPHA BUGS.xslx") and in the finale of the game (Battle Preparations and all the rest) is rather damaging in my opinion.At the time when Half-Life 2 was made, Steam was not such a major source of revenue yet, and of course it did not exist during the development of the first Half-Life. If anything, their development of single player games did not exactly improve since Steam became very popular.
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Definitely agree with that first part.Cutting content does not give more screen time.
If you want, we can chat about the second paragraph over PM. I don't want to cause another thread derail.
On topic, are these lines still in the game? I noticed them during the 35 minute demo.
Are there better times ahead? For us, Aen Seidhe?
Hey, look at that tramp.
Hmm, quite a smart jacket for a tramp.
Careful you scoundrel. This is Novigrad, not your backarse village.
Live honest and always speak the truth.
Too many elves runnin' 'round town. A rock hit one and broke his crown! He called for help but none was found. All you elfies best leave town!
In general, there seem to be more elves and dwarves in the city in that earlier demo. A lot of ambient noise was also removed for some reason. Stella Splendens no longer plays on the flutes in Novigrad, and some bird and cricket noises were removed too.
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Inquisitors was an original name for Witch Hunters, which was probably changed because of the Dragon Age: Inquisition. They were planned to be better prepared for the job as well, with dimeritum enhanced armors that would protect them from magic and dimeritium bombs blocking magical abilities.
As for that specific Inquisitor, he was going to appear while trying to interrupt Forefather's Eve (he was replaced with generic Witch Hunters, when this subplot was relegated to the sidequest). I didn't find anything about the reasons for this kind of choice, so all I have is my guess.
No, but replacing and removing certain characters does. I will write about it later at some point, but I have to note that most of it was based more on an act of deduction, then anything specific I found in the files, but I'm still 90% sure that was the case.