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Marcin Momot

Marcin Momot

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#21
Aug 27, 2015
imemoria said:
Good :)
So when will come the time to fix the framerate on PS4 ?
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PS4 performance has been impoving with each patch and the upcoming one should be addressing this topic as well.
 
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sv3672

Forum veteran
#22
Aug 27, 2015
YazX said:
  • Introduces a retro-active fix to some of the achievements that were amended in the patch 1.08. This time for real.
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...possibly only to be broken again in the next patch.
 
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imemoria

Rookie
#23
Aug 27, 2015
Marcin Momot said:
PS4 performance has been impoving with each patch and the upcoming one should be addressing this topic as well.
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PS4 performance improving with each patch ? This thread begs to differ :

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/53411-Playstation-4-Framerate-topic-%282-0%29

It documents very well that, for example, 1.07 was catastrophic performance wise, on PS4 and XBOX, and that 1.08 just fixed problems introduced by 1.07, to send back the game to 1.05 performance-wise on PS4..
FPS in the swamps, in Novigrad at night, are still largely under 30 FPS, as well as fights involving more than 1-2 foes.
You should read it, very informative thread :)

A video from Digital Foundry proving that each patch does NOT improve performance:


You can clearly see in that video that, performance-wise, 1.05>1.07.

Maybe it is time for PS4 users to, humbly, ask for the truth from CDPR.
Thanks.











 
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XeidiDent

Rookie
#24
Aug 27, 2015
Marcin Momot said:
Regarding the problems with achievements. Unfortunately some folks are still affected by this bug on PC. We are working on releasing a hotfix to address this soon. Will keep you posted. It it's obviously our fault and, again, we are very sorry about this.
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Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it. :faith:
 
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msg4gsm

Rookie
#25
Aug 27, 2015
imemoria said:
PS4 performance improving with each patch ? This thread begs to differ :

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/53411-Playstation-4-Framerate-topic-%282-0%29

It documents very well that, for example, 1.07 was catastrophic performance wise, on PS4 and XBOX, and that 1.08 just fixed problems introduced by 1.07, to send back the game to 1.05 performance-wise on PS4..
FPS in the swamps, in Novigrad at night, are still largely under 30 FPS, as well as fights involving more than 1-2 foes.
You should read it, very informative thread :)

A video from Digital Foundry proving that each patch does NOT improve performance:


You can clearly see in that video that, performance-wise, 1.05>1.07.

Maybe it is time for PS4 users to, humbly, ask for the truth from CDPR.
Thanks.





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I understand your frustration, and I am also aggravated with a few ongoing issues (SMW, Empty Coop <~new with 1.08 for me on PS4), however, I just don't understand the insane obsession with FPS. Why is everyone so bent about this issue? I mean the game I'm playing looks amazing. Granted it has some rare and minor graphic issues, (Monty Python walk, floating nekkers and body parts, odd pop ins etc.) however, in 35 years of gaming I have NEVER played one game that didn't have some occasional issues. For the scope and detail of this game, I am always amazed at how few issues there are graphically. It's the ongoing gameplay issues that bug me, because I guess I feel they should all be corrected prior to new additions, especially Modkit. I mean, give me what I paid for please, then move on. If I can play the game without incident, all is good... generally.

Can everyone/anyone please explain this FPS insanity and how it is going to drastically improve my experience and enjoyment? I watched all the Digital Foundry stuff too when it came out, and although the info was interesting....I was hard pressed to see any vast improvement with the changes and upgrades to FPS from patch to patch. The examples themselves show FPS running around 28-29 FPS. I gotta think that any super saturated game like this is going to have peaks and valleys depending on graphical stress. I don't understand why Crookback Bog stresses anymore than a jaunt through a Skellige forest, but maybe someone can explain that too.

In closing, I guess the real questions I have are....

What is going to change if the game locks at 30 FPS? How will my enjoyment and experience drastically improve? What games, of comparable graphical content have managed to lock at 30 FPS, without dip? What will I see in those games that will make me say.. OMG...I am getting screwed by The Witcher 3 running at 28 or 29 (or even lower FPS).

Based on the impassioned reaction and outcry regarding this issue, I'm assuming a massive, game changing difference will occur at 30 FPS. Please..... someone..... help... explain ??

P.S.
I'm expecting a 25 year old Heidi Klum to crawl out of my TV with a bag of "Cave of Dreams" treats and some Tawny Oil, if and when we ever do see 30 FPS. Is that expecting too much?
 
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sirBenski

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#26
Aug 27, 2015
Marcin Momot said:
Skellige's Most Wanted will be fixed very soon (along with Fools' Gold) on consoles as well. HoS stuff is also on the way. Everything has its time. :)
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Nice! I liked Skellige's Most Wanted and too bad I can't finish it because of the bug. Glad that's gonna be fixed. Never had any problems with Fool's Gold. I'm on PS4 by the way. Thanks!

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I'm playing the game on PS4 and I have no complaints regarding FPS. Really, I don't, Never had any issues with it.
There's some occasional drops in Novigrad but it doesn't bother me at all. It's not game breaking in my book.
For this game that can be played 100+ hours and a very large world to explore, I can say that it performs great!
 
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msg4gsm

Rookie
#27
Aug 27, 2015
Marcin Momot said:
Skellige's Most Wanted will be fixed very soon (along with Fools' Gold) on consoles as well. HoS stuff is also on the way. Everything has its time. :)
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Does the 1.08.3 fix apply to PS4 ??
 
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cleanupdisc

Rookie
#28
Aug 27, 2015
There is more to performance than just fps!!!
 
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imemoria

Rookie
#29
Aug 27, 2015
cleanupdisc said:
There is more to performance than just fps!!!
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You are right. There is pop-ins, for example. I invite you to compare vanilla game(pre patch) to actual 1.08. You'll be in for a very unpleasant surprise. Despite framerate not having improved, graphics have also been downgraded, late textures loading, etc...
 
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ReDD7

Rookie
#30
Aug 28, 2015
Marcin Momot said:
PS4 performance has been impoving with each patch and the upcoming one should be addressing this topic as well.
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I have noticed LARGELY improved perfomance after all the latest patches. No studdering frames at all anymore. And it was really bad from start. Thanks a lot.

Is it just me and my Tv tweaking, or has the graphics improved also ( newest patches )? Oh This is related to Ps4....

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imemoria said:
You are right. There is pop-ins, for example. I invite you to compare vanilla game(pre patch) to actual 1.08. You'll be in for a very unpleasant surprise. Despite framerate not having improved, graphics have also been downgraded, late textures loading, etc...
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For me the pop-ins are a non issue if I just stand still for about 10sec or so after a loading screen. Let it load some more. Boring but effective.
 
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chrispowers1010

Rookie
#31
Aug 28, 2015
msg4gsm said:
I understand your frustration, and I am also aggravated with a few ongoing issues (SMW, Empty Coop <~new with 1.08 for me on PS4), however, I just don't understand the insane obsession with FPS. Why is everyone so bent about this issue? I mean the game I'm playing looks amazing. Granted it has some rare and minor graphic issues, (Monty Python walk, floating nekkers and body parts, odd pop ins etc.) however, in 35 years of gaming I have NEVER played one game that didn't have some occasional issues. For the scope and detail of this game, I am always amazed at how few issues there are graphically. It's the ongoing gameplay issues that bug me, because I guess I feel they should all be corrected prior to new additions, especially Modkit. I mean, give me what I paid for please, then move on. If I can play the game without incident, all is good... generally.

Can everyone/anyone please explain this FPS insanity and how it is going to drastically improve my experience and enjoyment? I watched all the Digital Foundry stuff too when it came out, and although the info was interesting....I was hard pressed to see any vast improvement with the changes and upgrades to FPS from patch to patch. The examples themselves show FPS running around 28-29 FPS. I gotta think that any super saturated game like this is going to have peaks and valleys depending on graphical stress. I don't understand why Crookback Bog stresses anymore than a jaunt through a Skellige forest, but maybe someone can explain that too.

In closing, I guess the real questions I have are....

What is going to change if the game locks at 30 FPS? How will my enjoyment and experience drastically improve? What games, of comparable graphical content have managed to lock at 30 FPS, without dip? What will I see in those games that will make me say.. OMG...I am getting screwed by The Witcher 3 running at 28 or 29 (or even lower FPS).

Based on the impassioned reaction and outcry regarding this issue, I'm assuming a massive, game changing difference will occur at 30 FPS. Please..... someone..... help... explain ??

P.S.
I'm expecting a 25 year old Heidi Klum to crawl out of my TV with a bag of "Cave of Dreams" treats and some Tawny Oil, if and when we ever do see 30 FPS. Is that expecting too much?
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You must really not understand how beautiful games look when they run properly at 60FPS. 30FPS is half of what the norm is. If you had a PC rig which could play Witcher 3 at 60FPS as I am lucky enough to have, you'd understand the difference between 60FPS and 25FPS. It's a drastically different gameplay experience.
 
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Fallout_Wanderer

Fallout_Wanderer

Senior user
#32
Aug 28, 2015
imemoria said:
You are right. There is pop-ins, for example. I invite you to compare vanilla game(pre patch) to actual 1.08. You'll be in for a very unpleasant surprise. Despite framerate not having improved, graphics have also been downgraded, late textures loading, etc...
Click to expand...
Got to say some people just don't get it. CDPR can only do so much and from what I've seen they are doing a helluva lot more than many AAA devs and publishers in the industry. The simple fact is that you are lucky to be getting the performance and fidelity you are getting all things considered. Being a PC gamer with a GTX 980 SC, i5-4670k OC to 4.2ghz and 8gb ram, I still experience hitches, what makes you think the PS4 is able to perform that much better than what it already is? Outside of lowering the resolution or reducing the fidelity even further, it's not going to get that much better.

Sure, we could all see some minor improvements and I expect as much, for console and PC but to have what I personally consider "unreasonable" expectations? no, not gonna happen. I see people complain about graphics this and graphics that but most of us are lucky it runs as well as it currently does considering the magnitude and ambition of the game.

Truth is that the consoles can barely handle this game. I'm not flaming or being all high and mighty "PC master race" bow before me peasant! ;D Just giving my honest opinion.


ReDD7 said:
I have noticed LARGELY improved perfomance after all the latest patches. No studdering frames at all anymore. And it was really bad from start. Thanks a lot.

Is it just me and my Tv tweaking, or has the graphics improved also ( newest patches )? Oh This is related to Ps4....

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It is not just you. I am on PC but I have also noticed improved, more consistent performance, more so, even if only subtle, meaning I cannot necessarily put my finger on exactly what has been improved but the game certainly looks better. Like a very very thin coat of new paint on the surface for lack of a better word at the moment. Something I noticed after patch 1.07 personally.
 
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imemoria

Rookie
#33
Aug 28, 2015
Fallout_Wanderer said:
Got to say some people just don't get it. CDPR can only do so much and from what I've seen they are doing a helluva lot more than many AAA devs and publishers in the industry. The simple fact is that you are lucky to be getting the performance and fidelity you are getting all things considered. Being a PC gamer with a GTX 980 SC, i5-4670k OC to 4.2ghz and 8gb ram, I still experience hitches, what makes you think the PS4 is able to perform that much better than what it already is? Outside of lowering the resolution or reducing the fidelity even further, it's not going to get that much better.

Sure, we could all see some minor improvements and I expect as much, for console and PC but to have what I personally consider "unreasonable" expectations? no, not gonna happen. I see people complain about graphics this and graphics that but most of us are lucky it runs as well as it currently does considering the magnitude and ambition of the game.

Truth is that the consoles can barely handle this game. I'm not flaming or being all high and mighty "PC master race" bow before me peasant! ;D Just giving my honest opinion.


It is not just you. I am on PC but I have also noticed improved, more consistent performance, more so, even if only subtle, meaning I cannot necessarily put my finger on exactly what has been improved but the game certainly looks better. Like a very very thin coat of new paint on the surface for lack of a better word at the moment. Something I noticed after patch 1.07 personally.
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PS4 can't handle TW3 as it is ?
Ok, so why selling a game advertising 1080P 30 FPS ? Blame CDPR for lying to increase sales, and us PS4 users for having trusted them.
Never again.
I mean, you and me and anyone else read the post of Momot, read my answer, providing PROOF that saying that each patch improved performance on PS4 is a complete lie, and where is Momot answer ?
What is the most unbelievable is the lack of shame on continuous lies to PS4 users, even when the proof of said lies is just one post later.
Astounding.
 
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Dubya75

Senior user
#34
Aug 28, 2015
imemoria said:
Good :)
So when will come the time to fix the framerate on PS4 ?
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You must realize by now that your PS4 simply does not have the necessary power to run Witcher 3 any better than it currently does. So when you buy a PC, that is when your framerate will be fixed.
 
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Jollyfingers

Rookie
#35
Aug 28, 2015
Dubya75 said:
You must realize by now that your PS4 simply does not have the necessary power to run Witcher 3 any better than it currently does. So when you buy a PC, that is when your framerate will be fixed.
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Maybe it could if the game engine was be optimized for PS4.
And PC could get even better graphics if it was optimized for PC.

But the game is a compromize between three platforms.
Developing and maintaining three seperate and optimized branches isn't an option sadly... (manhours/money).
 
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imemoria

Rookie
#36
Aug 28, 2015
Dubya75 said:
You must realize by now that your PS4 simply does not have the necessary power to run Witcher 3 any better than it currently does. So when you buy a PC, that is when your framerate will be fixed.
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Problem is that CDPR already has my money, as I initially trusted them, like any other PS4 users suffering poor framerate. Blame the lies, not the trusting customers.
 
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web-head91

Senior user
#37
Aug 28, 2015
imemoria said:
Problem is that CDPR already has my money, as I initially trusted them, like any other PS4 users suffering poor framerate. Blame the lies, not the trusting customers.
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than go blame sony and MS for making such consoles with outdated hardware. it's a miracle that a game like this can run at all on the PS4 and Xbox One.

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XeidiDent said:
I don't know if we should laugh or cry... maybe both... :sad2:

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this is such an awesome Meme XDD
you sir/madam, are a genius :smiling2:
 
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imemoria

Rookie
#38
Aug 28, 2015
web-head91 said:
than go blame sony and MS for making such consoles with outdated hardware. it's a miracle that a game like this can run at all on the PS4 and Xbox One.
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Only the software publisher is responsible for the software. A lot of AAA games run flawlessly on PS4, stop pretending every game has low FPS on consoles.
 
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ReDD7

Rookie
#39
Aug 29, 2015
Fallout_Wanderer said:
Got to say some people just don't get it. CDPR can only do so much and from what I've seen they are doing a helluva lot more than many AAA devs and publishers in the industry. The simple fact is that you are lucky to be getting the performance and fidelity you are getting all things considered. Being a PC gamer with a GTX 980 SC, i5-4670k OC to 4.2ghz and 8gb ram, I still experience hitches, what makes you think the PS4 is able to perform that much better than what it already is? Outside of lowering the resolution or reducing the fidelity even further, it's not going to get that much better.

Sure, we could all see some minor improvements and I expect as much, for console and PC but to have what I personally consider "unreasonable" expectations? no, not gonna happen. I see people complain about graphics this and graphics that but most of us are lucky it runs as well as it currently does considering the magnitude and ambition of the game.

Truth is that the consoles can barely handle this game. I'm not flaming or being all high and mighty "PC master race" bow before me peasant! ;D Just giving my honest opinion.


It is not just you. I am on PC but I have also noticed improved, more consistent performance, more so, even if only subtle, meaning I cannot necessarily put my finger on exactly what has been improved but the game certainly looks better. Like a very very thin coat of new paint on the surface for lack of a better word at the moment. Something I noticed after patch 1.07 personally.
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Exactly what I meant before. So I wasnt crazy and seeing things.Good to now.

On the other topic I couldnt agree more. Word for word. Good post.

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chrispowers1010 said:
You must really not understand how beautiful games look when they run properly at 60FPS. 30FPS is half of what the norm is. If you had a PC rig which could play Witcher 3 at 60FPS as I am lucky enough to have, you'd understand the difference between 60FPS and 25FPS. It's a drastically different gameplay experience.
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Norm for what games ? COD? What the fu are you on about? Which games looks better than TW3 on Ps4?

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imemoria said:
PS4 can't handle TW3 as it is ?
Ok, so why selling a game advertising 1080P 30 FPS ? Blame CDPR for lying to increase sales, and us PS4 users for having trusted them.
Never again.
I mean, you and me and anyone else read the post of Momot, read my answer, providing PROOF that saying that each patch improved performance on PS4 is a complete lie, and where is Momot answer ?
What is the most unbelievable is the lack of shame on continuous lies to PS4 users, even when the proof of said lies is just one post later.
Astounding.
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Its soooo strange that my experience has improved so drastically, but yours havnt. really weird, dont you think?

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imemoria said:
Only the software publisher is responsible for the software. A lot of AAA games run flawlessly on PS4, stop pretending every game has low FPS on consoles.
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Big area games , like TW3? btw after latest patches it does run smooth. Hmmm strange I must have a golden copy of the game.
 
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dragonbird

Ex-moderator
#40
Aug 29, 2015
OK, calm down and drop the PS4 discussion, which is NOT what the topic of this thread. Whatever your grievances against CDPR, there is no reason to be fighting with other forum members, nor is it appropriate to push your agenda in multiple threads across the forum, regardless of topic title. Any further posts like the last few will be subject to deletion and probably action against those posting.
 
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