The problem with this approach, that it can either make engines could go rampant or you can just end up helping point-spam instead of engines. Anyway I don't think this conversation belong here. You can find my opinion (mostly) on this in more details here.ser2440;n10950209 said:Every gold that can neutralize Engines needs to be taken down to 14 points at best, muzzle, kayran and Seltkirk included. It's already a bit much to be able to kill them AND gain that many points yourself.
That of course entails other changes. Slightly less power to engines on deploy (most of them at least) vipers and every bronze removal (damned sorceresses - panthers) reworked, except Alzur's Thunder. That includes inconspicuous cards like the cyclops. And of course silver mages no longer spawning thunder, even though silver removal options should exist. But those should be balanced around 10 or 11 or so.
Bleach25;n10950206 said:Let's not forget how much of a pain in the arse this card was when it was meta. Also making it 9 would turn it into an 18 point card. So no, it's already good as it is.
Pruny;n10950257 said:muzle can be countered by muzle, many times i got archerspores or greatswords and my oponent got them back.
like i said 1point will not afect engines decks more but its consistecy against point spam decks.
ser2440;n10950878 said:muzzle was completely annoying back in the day when EVERYONE ran it. So no. I know my previous post involves of course getting a better meta first, but since apparently no one likes the current meta, that's why I focused on a rework for removal.
Even now it's still very much viable, as we see a lot of top players run it, in tournaments. Muzzle is useful in the matchups against almost every top tier deck. It's 17 points plus removing an engine against a damaged greatsword, it can take archespores, nekkers, axemen if used early on, henselt's machines, only brouver and alchemy have some resistance against it. Against brouver, you only need to wait until they boost a half elf hunter once or twice and it's still decent value. not good but decent. Against alchemy, it depends on what they spawn.