So we speak about Tai Chi Chuan (The Ultimate Fist) ... Well known as an exercice for a heathy life but let s see some fighting applications...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf44kawWBvY&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iD_gA0JMKAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93wy9FBFP24&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kanrCDUjhhIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8qv6TldAb0&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FRmv20w2UQ&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9SRS_z67nI&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQGvm-7WYFY&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kKbcQT7oo8&feature=related
^Hmm...don't think I like the way the Wong person shows the application, as it doesn't seem like Tai Chi anymore (blocking and what seems to be use of brute force).Here's some Hsing-I Chuan/Xingyiquan (Form-Mind Fist/Boxing). Honestly, I keep forgetting which 'style' of Hsing-I I practice... ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9deW2aZlwwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oYu0797puAhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=261zYmIHs4khttp://youtube.com/watch?v=fFNsAXHqKyMhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=iQZ3xn-UmjINo applications in the above, but Xingyi tends to be somewhat straightforward (though I'm taught that, application-wise, it shares a lot with it's fellow 'internal' arts, such as Tai Chi and Bagua).
Gotthammer sorry to post so late...
Indeed I also think that Wong use too much external power... But the guy practice Chen Style Tai Chi wich emphasies on hard movementsAnother example:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuwxgvhbSVM&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIyRScdERTs&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9V3wNAMBqg&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qu56Se2rnY&feature=relatedOther styles are:Wu:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSqfKRJotW4&feature=relatedYang:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nprZhmfpH40&feature=relatedSun and Hao...About HsingYi some more footage:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP5OEjYVzKQ&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewqv-EWXzS8&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhAgQvdrIXg&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGnihFoGad8&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDs8twCo5lg&feature=relatedgotthammer said:
Can't really comment on Chen as I don't have 1st person experience with it. Still, as far as I know, all forms of Tai Chi have no block (force on force) per se, which seemed to be the case in Wong's demo.Moving on...Kendo. I did this for a couple of years (no blades, though. as I left when an instructor started teaching iaido. so i did my kata w/ a bokken). I want to go back, but since I returned my armor (it was a loaner. yes...eeew ;D ), I don't think that'll happen anytime soon.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWzdIpayeFkNihon Kendo Kata. I think I learned all of them, but I don't think I can do most of them anymore. ;Dhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh2TNO5CGXQBits from competition. For those who don't know, scoring isn't as easy as hitting your opponent. It involves proper posture, timing, hitting the right target area, and showing intention (zanshin was the term i think, something like killing mind, or preparation for second attack. something like that)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-iLxf6MzPkCool disarm.Modern Arnishttp://youtube.com/watch?v=oVHpX33nmMII still, occasionally, practice Modern Cruzada arnis, but I started w/ Doce Pares. Since I don't practice it as regularly as my chinese arts, my skills are shot (can't do any anyo/form anymore; i only remember a few drills...sad, considering i was training to try and compete before ;D ).
Hey guys, just a question really.Is Brazilian Jujitsu a derivative of Capoera ?
Brazilian Ju Jutsu is deriative of Ju Jutsu. The Brazilian Ju Jutsu emphasise on ground fight. Capoeira is a totaly different style, it emphasise a lot on kicking tehniques. Capoeira has a lot of african influences as well (from tehniques to the musical rhythem - drums and an african musical instrument called "berimbau")Watch the diferences:Capoeira:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFcDlzx9uCkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwG7JwXtUSI&feature=relatedBrazilian Ju jutsu:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNR9IBuDGDcNow, in the "versus" tradition, lets watch some interesting clips:Katana vs. Jian (Shaolin Straight Sword):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X254e0JZuuUJian vs. Shaolin Saber (Dao):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouycplM5Cqc&feature=relatedKatana vs. European Broadsword:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxYvwEnKRjAOther Weapons:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86tcFJs6RuE&feature=related(in japonese unfortunatly)Part II:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQRFuBeRAi4Others Mo Cap versus fights:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOaFQPeqAZk&feature=relatedAnd an interesting Showreel about Ninjutsu.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCj3SBHhNAsKarmarapture said:
it looks like the first two are made to show some superiority of the JianAdrianXII said:
why the spparring partners stop, waiting for Jian wielder to deal a blow?as for katana vs broadsword..I`m in the european MMA, and the video is full of mistakes. 0_olike broadsword - witch was a hilted hand protecting weapon, often used with a small buckler (targe), favoured by the scottish clansmen..but centuries after the armour shown was abandoned.the sword is most likely to be a bastard sword, but I have some doubts about it, cause it is not fully shown.and the vs technique...obviously fighting styles differed much. katana would have little chance against well crafted armour. it was a slashing weapon,with some thrusting potential. european bastard sword was a universal sword, with good cutting, thrusting, hitting and grappling potential.Some practical examples with or whithout sword:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXf06si2Q0Ehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06usiJzgL10http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4N5aWy6WA8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my1DXNUSOQ4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8TH3FELRvohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W4wL9-Wie4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PspWUbLYGeIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qdHwEMFsMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbAtWWgF4y8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDkP5tDFl3Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L-3x_p6IBAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnb7jTndnywhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3gtiz5enKshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59mIFvH0kL8
That's not true. Chen style Tai Chi doesn't emphasise hard movements any more than any other styles of Tai Chi. The Chen village has Pong Chow (cannon fist) for the hard external moves and Tai Chi for the soft internal stuff. What looks like hard moves in Chen Tai Chi is what's called "fa jing" (in its various romanizations): fast, explosive energy. What everyone, especially in the west, is used to seeing from tai chi is only the softer energies like ahn (pulling) and lieh (splitting). While fast and explosive may sound only marginally different than hard, the difference is like between using a hammer or a chainwhip. Both are made of metal, both hurt. But with the hammer you need power to deal damage, the chainwhip could be handled by a 4 year old and still kill.AdrianXII said:
That's not true either. Have you ever held a real katana? They are heavy swords, easily an inch (2.5cm) thick on the blunt side. And made with the typical Japanese desire for perfection, which make them one of the sharpest man-made objects ever. If the European bastard sword could cut it, you can bet your arms and legs the katana could too. More-over, while I think the bastard swords were used differently than what we like to think sword fights in Europe looked like from having seen too many Hollywood films, I do think that if you were trying to go through armour the bastard sword would break after the third attempt unless you were using the same slashing techniques because of which you are dismissing the katana as an effective weapon.The thing is, swords these days aren't made of the same metal as they used to. The alloys used in those days had a much higher carbon content, which is a reason why there aren't a lot of them around anymore (they rusted to really tiny unrecognisable bits of rusted metal if not dust), but it also made them much more brittle than the modern stainless steel and chromed variants. Which is to say they break. Axes work, because the object being chopped (wood generally) is much softer and has a much lower density then the object used to do the chopping with (that would be the axe). This does not hold true with harnasses or indeed other swords. And when hacking two comparable strength/density objects against eachother repeatedly in a die-bastard-die manner, one of the two is going to give if the material used is inately brittle. Like I said, Hollywood has a lot to answer for and a deceptive if not outright wrong image of sword fighting is definately one of these things.AdrianXII said:
very informative indeed thank-you HoKyung !i cannot comment on any of the sword styles. the only weapon i have any training in at all is the bo (staff) and a weekend workshop with nunchaku i'll have to check out the videos more closely (i admittedly only glanced and had the sound turned off). I study karate (kyokushin), so the first video at least looked pretty standard to me (though well executed). the only tai chi i've seen in these parts (quebec) has been very, very sedate, so i am thrilled to hear that there is far more to the art that the tiny bit i've seen.thanks again for the information
thank-you HoKyung !i cannot comment on any of the sword styles. the only weapon i have any training in at all is the bo (staff) and a weekend workshop with nunchaku i'll have to check out the videos more closely (i admittedly only glanced and had the sound turned off). I study karate (kyokushin), so the first video at least looked pretty standard to me (though well executed). the only tai chi i've seen in these parts (quebec) has been very, very sedate, so i am thrilled to hear that there is far more to the art that the tiny bit i've seen.thanks again for the information Erle Montague's explenation is, unrsurprisingly, much better than the first one. It also gives away the reason why people make "those silly tsss" sounds when they're sparring, even though most of them don't know this which in turn is probably because their teacher doesn't. More specifically, certain sounds resonate with certain body parts, so the sounds you make should change with the technique you're using. Again, because most people only go "tsss" because of a monkey-see monkey-do mentality, so they end up making the same sound for everything they do. Not all of that is the practicioners' faults though. Lots of things were kept behind closed doors for so long, that they ended up getting lost and only now with the realisation among high level martial artists that there is no point in keeping secrets because of guns, does the emphasis in their teaching start to shift towards preservation of the whole arts rather than keeping an edge on possible opponents.