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gapaot

Forum veteran
#181
May 12, 2019
Matchmaking is rigged, and that's a fact.
 
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MysticJoey

Forum regular
#182
May 12, 2019
I don't know why moderators let this topic live, it's bad PR. One statement from the official should be enough to put an end to this. Imagine being new player / new to the community you come to the forums and there is all this misinformation. It's very discouraging, and it usually comes from the same people.
 
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gapaot

Forum veteran
#183
May 12, 2019
MysticJoey said:
One statement from the official should be enough to put an end to this.
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You mean like statement that they won't be refunding reworked cards anymore (they did after that statement), or saying they don't work or have plans for mobile (they later said they worked and planned on it), or many other PR lies? This is what supposed to put an end to this? Really?

Come on, man, deleting this topic will bring more bad PR than letting it live. At least this way people [...] can act like we're wrong and throw shade, letting new players think we're some tinfoil hat crazies.
 
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Draconifors

Moderator
#184
May 12, 2019
Some posts edited, one deleted. You don't have to like the topic, or the people who post in it, or what is posted in it but you DO have to leave personal attacks, rude comments, and the like on the doorstep (i.e. not post them). If you don't it'll be you who gets in trouble.
 
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nedders

Forum regular
#185
May 12, 2019
MysticJoey said:
IOne statement from the official should be enough to put an end to this.
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Yep, and still waiting. I've asked CDPR directly, and get no response. I've attached a number of screenshots highlighting the problem, no response. I'd love them to categorically state there's no such thing.
 
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Breli

Breli

Forum regular
#186
May 12, 2019
nedders said:
Yep, and still waiting. I've asked CDPR directly, and get no response. I've attached a number of screenshots highlighting the problem, no response. I'd love them to categorically state there's no such thing.
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Even if CDPR would post the source code of the matchmaking algorithm people would not believe them. There is nothing CDPR can do to stop this conspiracy theory.
 
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gapaot

Forum veteran
#187
May 12, 2019
So, I take Eredin from shitty choices in Arena. Guess what cards I get from opponent?

Yep, sword that kills shielded cards. Amazing.
 
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bojerbela

Senior user
#188
May 12, 2019
I never played Arachas Queen...and played only a few matches against her. I thought I play her a bit...3 matches 2 AQ opponent...very interesting...
 
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tulamide

tulamide

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#189
May 12, 2019
gapaot said:
At least this way people [...] can act like we're wrong and throw shade, letting new players think we're some tinfoil hat crazies.
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As I said in my posts, anything that assumes something based on personal experiences is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

For example, you will never share with us your winning streaks. You want to paint a picture, and as in conspiracy theories you leave out the bits that don't match your picture.
 
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gapaot

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#190
May 12, 2019
tulamide said:
As I said in my posts, anything that assumes something based on personal experiences is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

For example, you will never share with us your winning streaks. You want to paint a picture, and as in conspiracy theories you leave out the bits that don't match your picture.
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And you don't share all the rigged matchmaking results you have, leaving out bits that don't match your picture, but you don't see me complaining about it. You paint the picture you want, I paint the one I see, but somehow my vision is incorrect and yours true? Is that what you're saying?
 
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rrc

Senior user
#191
May 12, 2019
MysticJoey said:
I don't know why moderators let this topic live, it's bad PR. One statement from the official should be enough to put an end to this. Imagine being new player / new to the community you come to the forums and there is all this misinformation. It's very discouraging, and it usually comes from the same people.
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IIRC, there was already a post from RED team saying that Matchmaking doesn't take into effect your decks, but it only considers your winning streak (which is fair and is the case in other games too). One of the Mods even posted that link from RED in this thread (or a similar thread). From the company's point of view, they can't keep making the same point again and again. They have said it once. That should be enough.

Also, I would request forum members to not state their assumptions as though it is a fact. At least please be kind enough to add "I think" or "It may be" or something like that. If a new member/player comes to this forum and see these kind of threads, they may assume that it is a well known fact by the entire community when it is NOT.
 
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tulamide

tulamide

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#192
May 12, 2019
gapaot said:
And you don't share all the rigged matchmaking results you have, leaving out bits that don't match your picture, but you don't see me complaining about it. You paint the picture you want, I paint the one I see, but somehow my vision is incorrect and yours true? Is that what you're saying?
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You couldn't be more wrong. But obviously you didn't even take the time to read my contributions in this thread, before saying that. So read, for example, this https://forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/matchmaking-still-rigged.10989730/page-9#post-11524549

then think about apologizing.
 
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Guest 4339135

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#193
May 13, 2019
tulamide said:
Yet you use exactly what conspiracy theorists consider an argument. It is NOT a fact that matchmaking is rigged, just because you lose more often than you win. The only fact from your many informations is that you lose more often than you win. Anything else is a wild guess, a theory about the "why" - ergo a conspiracy theory.

I just played against a level 19 guy that played the almost exact same Ardal deck I use as well (just 1 card was different). I needed around 400 hours to be able to create this deck, and I did it on myself. No tutorial or the like involved. Since I play that Ardal deck, I never, let me repeat, never faced an Eist deck. I would have loved to, because it is a deck that can handle Eist decks pretty easily.

After a disappointing day of losses over losses against starters with some of my preferred decks, I finally decided half an hour ago, to give my Eist deck a try. Boom - first opponent is that level 19 guy with all the cards needed to enjoy an effortless match.

For example, Sigvald is on the board. He doesn't use his 5 str or less seizing Ardal. No, he damages Sigvald by 2 and pulls Sweers (and what a luxury to have free choice between Ardal, Sweers, Muzzle and another Ardal due to Damien de la Tour, all in hand in R3) ! Why not Ardal? The purpose of Ardal is to get a higher strength card with an ability other than deploy. That card will then do its job for you instead of your opponent. When I pulled Sigvald, we both had only 3 cards left. Yet he was confident that there would be at least one non-deploy card of greater value than Sigvald on my hand.

And that was the case! I had exactly one non-deploy card on my hand. One. And it was indeed more valuable than Sigvald. And he wouldn't have got it with Sweers.

There were so many other moves, like me locking his Hefty Helge answered by pulling Imperial Diviner. In R3, in 5th turn, and after he used cards that would have boosted ID. It just didn't stop. I had no chance from the beginning.

What would a conspiracy theorist make out of this? "Obviously it was a bot, installed by CDPR to let me lose. There is certainly no way, that this could have been a player! And even if it was a player, then the matchmaking is rigged for giving me an opponent that is so superior!"

But the only true facts from this are
1) I lost a match
2) The opponent's deck was superior
3) I am frustrated
4) I wish I would face an Eist deck with my Ardal deck

Everything else is not a fact, but pure guessing.
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I never said that I lose more games than I win, because I win more games than I lose...so your 'fact' isn't a fact, because it's wrong. I don't know where people get their informations, but you can see that you should be the last person who talks about facts or conspiracy theories.
And the facts are, that I got constantly disadvantaged in the last weeks/months and I don't know why this happens, but it happens, so something is going wrong here, that's the only fact and I talked about nothing else.
 
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tulamide

Rookie
#194
May 13, 2019
Tobi_113 said:
I never said that I lose more games than I win, because I win more games than I lose...so your 'fact' isn't a fact, because it's wrong. I don't know where people get their informations, but you can see that you should be the last person who talks about facts or conspiracy theories.
And the facts are, that I got constantly disadvantaged in the last weeks/months and I don't know why this happens, but it happens, so something is going wrong here, that's the only fact and I talked about nothing else.
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That post doesn't make sense. If you win more than you lose, you are not disadvantaged. Then you're experiencing normality.
 

Guest 4339135

Guest
#195
May 13, 2019
rrc said:
IIRC, there was already a post from RED team saying that Matchmaking doesn't take into effect your decks, but it only considers your winning streak (which is fair and is the case in other games too). One of the Mods even posted that link from RED in this thread (or a similar thread). From the company's point of view, they can't keep making the same point again and again. They have said it once. That should be enough.

Also, I would request forum members to not state their assumptions as though it is a fact. At least please be kind enough to add "I think" or "It may be" or something like that. If a new member/player comes to this forum and see these kind of threads, they may assume that it is a well known fact by the entire community when it is NOT.
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Yeah, they said that matchmaking doesn't care about your deck, but you can see that many people here have experienced the opposite of this. It happens all the time when I change my deck within the faction or the whole faction and they are telling that this not happens...so something is wrong here.
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tulamide said:
That post doesn't make sense. If you win more than you lose, you are not disadvantaged. Then you're experiencing normality.
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Being disadvanteged has nothing to do with if the winrate is positive or negative. Your post doesn't make sense....
 
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nedders

Forum regular
#196
May 13, 2019
I used an Arachas deck and won three times. I then got put against Henselt with the mega-removal deck so couldn't even keep a drone on the board, plus had an atrocious deal, and lost. That deck then showed up every other time I played - it's almost inexplicable, except....

There clearly is matchmaking!

However looking at it objectively it probably HAS to be there, because if it wasn't and it was truly random then loads of net-deckers would simply march onto the ladder.
 
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Alexander_Volgin

Alexander_Volgin

Forum regular
#197
May 13, 2019
At higher ranks you sometimes queue up with the same person twice. The reason I believe is due to lack of players queuing at a particular time. This is the counter-argument for a rigged system. If the system was rigged then queue times would be much longer to find your ideal match. This is more aparent in casual, one day I managed to counter against same person atleast 5 times in a row, before I stoped playing, felt sorry for the guy who lost 5 consequtive times in a mirror match.
 
petr_klokan

petr_klokan

Rookie
#198
May 13, 2019
Alexander_Volgin said:
At higher ranks you sometimes queue up with the same person twice. The reason I believe is due to lack of players queuing at a particular time. This is the counter-argument for a rigged system. If the system was rigged then queue times would be much longer to find your ideal match. This is more aparent in casual, one day I managed to counter against same person atleast 5 times in a row, before I stoped playing, felt sorry for the guy who lost 5 consequtive times in a mirror match.
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Would you mind sharing at what rank you’re plaing? Thanks.
 
Balm-Cake

Balm-Cake

Rookie
#199
May 13, 2019
Hey, new user here.

After being paranoid for a while that I was going first in matches far too often, and therefore at a disadvantage, I decided to record how often. It turns out I go first in matches over two-thirds of the time, data collected over the course of a week. But this isn’t the main issue that’s bugging me.
I’ve recently created a Nilfgaard No Unit deck (repulsive I know but I’m not looking to make friends and I figured if you can’t beat them join them). With this deck I get put against a certain type of Nilfgaard deck very often. It consists of Roach, Vivienne, Leo, Assire and other usual cards. I cannot beat this deck if I go first in the match. I always go first. 99 out of 100 times playing against this type of deck I go first.

So my question is, is match making fixed to prevent certain decks, such as no unit decks, from winning?
 
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Alexander_Volgin

Forum regular
#200
May 14, 2019
petr_klokan said:
Would you mind sharing at what rank you’re plaing? Thanks.
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