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Members of the Wild Hunt (Spoilers)

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Scholdarr

Banned
#21
Jun 27, 2014
EcoSeis said:
Yes, of course they are not zombies, I just said they are from other world, about the rest I was just guessing some crazy possibilities about what characters we could see on the Wild Hunt, from the fanboy point of view, and assuming some hints of the commoners and villagers of the books, about human underlings/slaves, who are offered to be one of them, with some of the more traditional folklore, that´s all.
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If I had to pick any book character the one who could perhaps really ride with the Wild Hunt was Isengrim Faoiltiarna. We don't know what happened to him. Maybe Eredin and the riders contacted him to build a connection with the Aen Seidhe and Scoia'tael and use their knowledge about the world. Maybe they allowed the Iron Wolf - as one of the most experienced leaders of the Scoia'tael - to join their ranks as a commander of the riders.

We already know that Dijkstra will return so why not Boreas Mun or Isengrim? As I said among every character we know from the books (and who is still alive) Isengrim would probably the one who would make most sense to be part of the Wild Hunt. ;)

Oh, and the elven lady could be Enid an Gleanna (or maybe better known as Francesca Findabair) the prettiest women in the witcher world, a powerful elven sorceress, a pure blood Aen Seidhe and the queen of the Dol Blathanna.
(I just personally don't believe so because it makes little sense for her to directly join the Hunt.)
 
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EcoSeis

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#22
Jun 27, 2014
LordCrash said:
If I had to pick any book character the one who could perhaps really ride with the Wild Hunt was Isengrim Faoiltiarna. We don't know what happened to him. Maybe Eredin and the riders contacted him to build a connection with the Aen Seidhe and Scoia'tael and use their knowledge about the world. Maybe they allowed the Iron Wolf - as one of the most experienced leaders of the Scoia'tael - to join their ranks as a commander of the riders.

We already know that Dijkstra will return so why not Boreas Mun or Isengrim? As I said among every character we know from the books (and who is still alive) Isengrim would probably the one who would make most sense to be part of the Wild Hunt. ;)

Oh, and the elven lady could be Enid an Gleanna (or maybe better known as Francesca Findabair) the prettiest women in the witcher world, a powerful elven sorceress, a pure blood Aen Seidhe and the queen of the Dol Blathanna.
(I just personally don't believe so because it makes little sense for her to directly join the Hunt.)
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WOW, There are some really good choices, I didn´t even remember them, so... well done. Enid has to appear but not with the hunt, I agree. :)
 
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StaGiors

Forum veteran
#23
Jun 27, 2014
What the hell, where do you guys see a lady? My eyes must be playing tricks to be!

Faoiltiarna was a nice guess I'm liking it. That is, if the arrogant Aen Elle would allow him to join them. In my honest opinion, the Aen Elle don't care much about their "cousins". With the exception of Avallac'h of course. I like Avallac'h. Kind of.
 
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Lightice

Rookie
#24
Jun 27, 2014
I wouldn't wonder if every surviving character from the books who has slightest chance to be present in the regions the game is set will make an appearance in some capacity. Probably not as riders of the Hunt, however. This game closes Geralt's story for good, at least as far as games are concerned, might as well include as much fanservice as is possible.
 
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ReptilePZ

Wordrunner
#25
Jun 27, 2014
StaGiors said:
What the hell, where do you guys see a lady? My eyes must be playing tricks to be!
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Well, sonebody asked something about the fourth person in armour on that picture, and they used the word "he." Marcin's reply was something along the lines of "What makes you so sure it's a man." Thus, speculations that it's likely a female. Or it could be a man and Marcin's just messing with us.
 
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Kinley

Ex-moderator
#26
Jun 27, 2014
StaGiors said:
What the hell, where do you guys see a lady? My eyes must be playing tricks to be!
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The tweet in question:
https://twitter.com/witchergame/status/476740976837668865

It could very well be an IT too. :)
 
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Scholdarr

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#27
Jun 27, 2014
StaGiors said:
What the hell, where do you guys see a lady? My eyes must be playing tricks to be!

Faoiltiarna was a nice guess I'm liking it. That is, if the arrogant Aen Elle would allow him to join them. In my honest opinion, the Aen Elle don't care much about their "cousins". With the exception of Avallac'h of course. I like Avallac'h. Kind of.
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Another good candidate would be Filavandrel aén Fidháil, one of the former leaders of the Aen Seidhe of the Dol Blathanna until Enid took over the regency. Geralt met him once in The last Wish during his quest to hunt the devil...

"That's too little, Aster. Still too little. We have cut back. Only a while ago we boasted to throw the humans back into the ocean from which they once emerged. And now we have restricted our borders and ambitions on Dol Blathanna..."
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"These children are dying, Aster. They are dying each and every day in an uneven fight. Based on secret agreements with Emhyr the humans attack the command units and destroy them. These are our children, our future! Our blood! And you inform me that we must break with themß Que'ss aen me dicette, Enid? Vorsaeke'llan? Aen vaine?"
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"I forgive you, Enid. But I don't know whether they will forgive you."

from Time of Contempt, Andrzej Sapkowski

After all we know Filavandrel is just waiting for an opportunity to bring the war to the human and to renew the regency of the Aen Seidhe over the witcher world. The Wild Hunt could have offered him this opportunity... ;)
 
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EcoSeis

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#28
Jun 27, 2014
First post edited, I think it has a little more sense now.

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions. :)
 
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gab96

Senior user
#29
Jun 27, 2014
I always thought Isengrim was in fact Iorveth because his face was disfigured.
 
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Scholdarr

Banned
#30
Jun 27, 2014
gab96 said:
I always thought Isengrim was in fact Iorveth because his face was disfigured.
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Iorveth and Isengrim share in fact the same description (CDPR just copied Isengrim's descriptions in the book for Iorveth in the game...)

But they are two different characters, both surviving the Ravine of the Hydra.
 
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arkblazer

Rookie
#31
Jun 28, 2014
Im pretty sure that the mage guy is Avallach and the second one is Eredin. The other 2 will be likely OC.
 
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Scholdarr

Banned
#32
Jun 28, 2014
arkblazer said:
Im pretty sure that the mage guy is Avallach and the second one is Eredin. The other 2 will be likely OC.
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I hope that the mage guy is NOT Avallac'h. But it also wouldn't make much sense.
 
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arkblazer

Rookie
#33
Jun 28, 2014
Disagree, The only one who would make sense is Avallach.
 
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Scholdarr

Banned
#34
Jun 28, 2014
arkblazer said:
Disagree, The only one who would make sense is Avallach.
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Please explain.
 
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StaGiors

Forum veteran
#35
Jun 28, 2014
arkblazer said:
Disagree, The only one who would make sense is Avallach.
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Avallac'h is just a possibility, because he is the only "leader" we know. He is not a war leader though. He is the "spiritual" leader. He is also not very fond of Eredin. So in my very honest opinion, I do not think Avallac'h is that mage. Of course I could be wrong. It definitely does not make sense to me however.
 
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arkblazer

Rookie
#36
Jun 28, 2014
LordCrash said:
Please explain.
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Would be spoiling things.
The unicorns told Ciri to be wary of him, along with eredin and and the King Of the elves they want her power no matter what. to likely keep conquering realms. Eredin said that Avallach was not being Honest with Ciri and that he would not let her leave like he promised because he wouldnt allow anyone else to get the elder blood. So he either planned to imprison her or kill her. also listen to latest trailer the the WH guy talking to geralt talks Like he knows the future, saying to geralt "that any decision he makes would bring greater doom,." to me that sounds like a guy that can read the future Elves that can read the future are incredibly rare Avallach is one of the few.
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He is not a war leader though.
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How would you know? He seemed quite deadly and Violent when Ciri pissed him off. He could very well be a powerful Warlock.

He is also not very fond of Eredin.
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Not being fond of one another doesnt mean that they dont have the same plans and are not aligned in the same faction. the unicorns already said To ciri to be wary of him. and grouped him along with eredin. Hell for all we know the tension between eredin and Avallach could be because they are having a power struggle. or because he sensed the ambition of eredin.

Like i said, im pretty sure that.s him, like 90% sure.
 
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Scholdarr

Banned
#37
Jun 28, 2014
arkblazer said:
Would be spoiling things.The unicorns told Ciri to be wary of him, along with eredin and and the King Of the elves they want her power no matter what. to likely keep conquering realms. Eredin said that Avallach was not being Honest with Ciri and that he would not let her leave like he promised because he wouldnt allow anyone else to get the elder blood. So he either planned to imprison her or kill her. also listen to latest trailer the the WH guy talking to geralt talks Like he knows the future, saying to geralt "that any decision he makes would bring greater doom,." to me that sounds like a guy that can read the future Elves that can read the future are incredibly rare Avallach is one of the few.
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Nothing of what you've said makes Avallac'h a potential red rider...

1) In the books Eredin is the military leader of the Aen Elle commanding his red riders while Avallac'h is a spiritual leader. In the book Avallac'h is not part of the red riders.
2) While it is true that Avallac'h doesn't care that much about humans (he probably even hates them more than Eredin) he doesn't use the same methods like Eredin. Open violence is not his approach. He tries to reason with Ciri, Geralt and other people. Kidnapping humans as slaves in other worlds is definitely not his style. He stands "above" such daily life stuff.
3) Eredin and Avallac'h don't use the same method for their time/universe jumps. Eredin and the riders travel on the Great Helix while Avallac'h uses another method.
4) Ciri herself stated that Eredin and Avallac'h are two sides of the same medal but also embody two different principles: light and dark, day and night, good and bad. Avallac'h riding with the Wild Hunt wouldn't fit to that assessment.
5) Avallac'h seems to have no problem to show himself in his real appearance in the witcher world. He always appeared alone in the books, without the riders or Eredin. There is no reason why that should have changed in the games. Eredin's approach is violence while Avallac'h's approach is reason (which doesn't mean that he would use his own means of violence in the end...)
6) Avallac'h might be a powerful oracle and an elven mage but he doesn't seem to be really powerful in one on one combat. In the world of the Aen Elle he had to summon Eredin and his red riders when some Unicorns approached Avallac'h, Ciri and their companions.
7) Avallac'h is no subject of Eredin. They are on the same level. Fox and sparrow hawk. There is quite likely a reason why Sapkowski used these animals as a metaphor for them: the fox stands for cleverness and reason while the sparrw hawk (or hawk) stand for warriors and strength/aggression in mythology.

I think Avallac'h will and should play a role in TW3 but not as part of the Wild Hunt. Of course he is a supporter of the elven cause (just like Enid for example) and of course he detestes humans but I think he would try to accomplish his goals by his own means like he already did before. He might work together with Eredin in a general sense of the term since they both have quite similar goals (not necessarily exactly the same goal and definitely not necessarily by the same means) but he won't work FOR him. At least that's what I think and hope. ;)
 
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StaGiors

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#38
Jun 28, 2014
@LordCrash

You speak the truth.

One little add on, the Unicorns seem to be really really powerful, so I guess that is why Avallac'h called for Eredin's help at that point. I don't even think they were really sure if they could survive a fight with the Unicorns, even with the support of Eredin.

Do not forget that Avallac'h is Aen Saevherne, one of the very few. We only know 2 of them in the ranks of the Aen Elle, and that would be Auberon and Avallac'h.

And only another 2 are known from the books and that would be Ida Emean, and Lara Dorren.

So I would guess he is really powerful. He just would not use that power for his own purposes, like Eredin would. At least that is my interpretation of his character.
 
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Scholdarr

Banned
#39
Jun 28, 2014
StaGiors said:
@LordCrash

You speak the truth.

One little add on, the Unicorns seem to be really really powerful, so I guess that is why Avallac'h called for Eredin's help at that point. I don't even think they were really sure if they could survive a fight with the Unicorns, even with the support of Eredin.

Do not forget that Avallac'h is Aen Saevherne, one of the very few. We only know 2 of them in the ranks of the Aen Elle, and that would be Auberon and Avallac'h.

And only another 2 are known from the books and that would be Ida Emean, and Lara Dorren.

So I would guess he is really powerful. He just would not use that power for his own purposes, like Eredin would. At least that is my interpretation of his character.
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To be completely honest, we know two more: Pavetta and Ciri. But both can't fully control their "source powers" due to their lacking exercise, due to their mixed origin or due to their lacking experience (we don't know for sure)...

I agree that Avallac'h is probably very powerful (at least as powerful as Enid).´who seems to be the most powerful Aen Seidhe mage. But not every "magical power" is the same. Ciri has powers most mages can only dream of at night but it doesn't help her that much in a direct conflict. Not every mage is a "battle mage" with fitting powers for a close-encounter combat. He was for example able to give Geralt a magical horse that enabled him to safe his companions in time. But we can only speculate about his real magical powers since he never really used them in the books (very much the same is true for the powers of the unicorns)... ;)
 
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StaGiors

Forum veteran
#40
Jun 28, 2014
Hm I'm not sure if we can call Pavetta and Ciri Aen Saevherne. Even if they have elven blood in their veins, Aen Saevherne blood for that matter, they are not elves. And they are certainly not "Knowing Ones".

I'm also not sure if calling an elf Aen Saevherne, has to do with their bloodline or with their knowledge of the world. Francesca Findabair (a.k.a Enid an Gleanna) was not in fact an Aen Saevherne, but nobody can deny her knowledge of the world.

The Aen Saevherne are, to my understanding, a special caste of the elves. They are really powerful mages, and they have vast knowledge about the world. However indeed, we do not know how much power they actually have. To me Ida Emean's presence in the Lodge, always made me feel a little weird. It was as if she would not get herself involved with "children's problems". She appeared to me very mysterious and possibly really powerful. More powerful than any of the Sorceresses.

Still this power is just speculation. It is quite common among the Aen Saevherne though to be considered mysterious and powerful. All four of them were presented that way in the books. Auberon, Ida Emean, Avallac'h and freaking Lara Dorren. That last one had quite a measurable impact in the world.


Oh and by the way that "magical horse" was a monster living in the cave. Knocker I believe it was called.

Edit: Crap in me pants, we are way off topic!
 
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