If so, that's a strange way to admit fault. It didn't seem like breaking the fourth wall was intentional. If it is, in fact the same same shard we are reffering to.
the only rememdy we have as consumers is to boycott CDPR so they do go out of business and no longer have a market or platform to push misrepresent their products. why should any of us continue supporting this company?
mods on here yesterday stated the we shouldnt play the game, and it wasnt designed to be played to its full extent lol
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what do you mean? everyone who is upset about the state of this game is justified. people defending this are just blindly fanboying for this company. for YEARS CDPR went out of the way to guarantee that we were getting an RPG that at the very least would be equal to TW3 by all relevant RPG metrics but in CP2077 setting. There is NOTHING like this in CP2077. CP2077 is more comparable to Far Cry. Assassin's Creed has objectively deeper RPG elements than this!
The worst part is, you have to get past the Act 1 prologue which is about 5-8 hours long of heavily scripted content before you even realize it. After you are done with Act 1, EVERYTHING falls off. None of the 'tutorials' or 'mechanics' from the prologue are ever used again. Many of them are barely even used in more scripted content!
You finish Act 1, and what is the game? You just run/drive/fast travel around to objective, and attack enemies, pick up the same loot and guns that have barely any differences besides maybe +10 dps, and thats it!
If you craft, and take advantage of the systems in place to make a 'build', your ENTIRE save file will corrupt
This isn't even an excuse. This is an absolutely cherry picked statement. Guess what? We already knew this wouldn't be in.
Cyberpunk 2077's Wall-Running Mechanic Removed 'Due To Design Reasons' - IGN
The cut feature was present in the 48-minute gameplay demo from 2018, but has been removed for "design reasons".
Is there a line you will draw? I don't think there is. I think you are blinded by consumerism. Why even make these posts? You aren't going to change anyone's mind who already is upset. Posts like yours do nothing to help find a compromise of appropriate criticism/acceptance of what has been done to us customers.
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It's very sad to me, as according to my research, and another person I think quoted me and said it as well, over 300 million was put into it. Most got spent on marketing, it wasn't needed, this thing was going to sell itself insanely by word of mouth, it just needed to be competently done. Unless, they knew something they weren't telling us and just had to sell it anyway, we don't know. That is what worries me, though.. I think I'm just going to let the game itself go and just soak in the story and move on at this point. Maybe it will get finished, later, maybe not, but the launch is forever borked.
I do think it just got rushed.. We did not get a rpg. We got a linear story from start to end. It is all about Johnny. Johnny is the main character, you´re just there for the ride. Granted some sidequests are good. But still, not very impactfull. I was really looking forward to a game were I could build relationsships with characters. Something decently meaningfull.
I picked Panam as the LI of V. All you get is three short sidequests and that is it. No real building a form of relationship, just go there do that, bang and that´s it (until the end if you go that way) I was really hoping that the relationship could build and evolve, maybe spending more time with her after the last sidequest. Unlocking some more side stuff with her. But nope, after they move it is all over.
I agree with you that criticism is warranted, but too many users are blowing it out of control. I'm not talking about console players, who have legitimate grievances that need addressed quickly, but people like you and I who have already sunk over a hundred hours into the game within the first two weeks of release. You don't sink that much time into the game if you think it sucks, but I think a lot of people are letting the things they aren't happy about overshadow the good parts of the game, and there's a lot of good parts to enjoy.
Your metaphor doesn't really fit this case, I think. The pig is the meat of your purchase and the lipstick is just some fancy dressing you'd like. Cyberpunk 2077 is a complete game so it is in fact the pig in this metaphor. It's missing some things that would be nice, but it still functions as a source of entertainment. While I get the point of the metaphor is to say that you didn't get all of what you asked for, the reality is Cyberpunk 2077 is still very much a good game. I think the issue here is that fans have built up expectations over eight years that the game would be revolutionary and it wasn't, at least on the surface where people can notice. Who knows, maybe it does have some revolutionary tech going on in the background, I don't know.
Point I'm trying to make here is that those of us who have sunk 100+ hours into the game have already gotten nearly 1.5 hours of entertainment per dollar spent, and that will only continue to increase in value. There are issues that need to be addressed, and for those who are unable to enjoy this game because of those issues I feel very bad for them. I hope people continue to take the company to task on those issues until they are resolved. However, for PC players ( I can't speak to modern consoles, don't own one) the game runs well. I'm using a 7700k CPU and a GTX 980 GPU, certainly not top of the line anymore yet I can still run the game on a mix of ultra and high settings with solid FPS and a gorgeous looking game.
Beyond the playability issues that last gen consoles face, most of the issues I've found with the game in my playtime have been quirks that I can live with. I hope they eventually get fixed, but I'm not going to act like CD Projekt Red has failed to deliver promises. Cut content happens in all games no matter the length of development time; you want to make something but it's not turning out how you envisioned and you don't want to put your name on something that doesn't properly reflect your vision. On a project this big that happens all the time and is one of the reasons the game has gone through so many delays, but at some point the time runs out. Investors cannot and will not wait an unknowable length of time for you to perfect everything and you have to come up with things to cut in order to release something that can then fund future improvements. Sadly that seems to be the case for a good number of things that the developers wanted to include but financially just couldn't get to work right in the time frame allowed.
I just want to close with this. The game has a lot of content in it and I believe more content will come over the next two years or more. I don't think this project will be abandoned by CD Projekt Red anytime soon; for the dev team this project is a work of passion. Those responsible for misleading consumers about the playability of the game on last gen consoles should have to answer for that deception, and if it were up to me they would be seeking employment elsewhere in the near future. I feel it is imperative that we separate the game and its dev team from the poor marketing practices of the company so that the people who have worked so hard making this game can continue to improve it.
No, the marketing was pathetic, lying behind the façade of a trustworthy company to sell that lie to others who've had nothing but the best from the same company in the past is quite different, than just falling for some random ad.
People who simply had TRUST built up with a previously good company aren't to blame as much as that company now is.
meh. It's still half on the people who think everything is as advertised. Nothing ever is.
With this company, it WAS. Hence people built trust, maybe you can't comprehend that, but it's fact.
LOL if you learned anything from this game it's to NOT trust companies.... Maybe you can't comprehend that.
LOL I don't, but this one was different, which is the point you're missing here. It's clearly, not different, anymore, hence some of the funny things I've even posted in this thread.
I don't know, it was the games for me, not hype. They've delivered so much content, in the past, story, visuals, experiences I'll never forget, things that got people I knew in life who'd never game to start for their first time ever. Was one hell of a ride. They can rebuild it with this game or it will die with it, IMHO.
However, if they abandon this after this launch, & don't really focus, I don't think the company can recover with another title, easily, ever again.
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I absolutely understand what you are saying. Those hundred hours though would not have been played by someone who didnt really hype over the game. To be fair this game is a huge disappointment and I feel like you cant argue against that, everyones disappointment should show my point in this. The game is not shit, I wouldnt say it is. However, physics is poor. Water doesnt funktion like water, drive a car in it and you see what I mean. Thousands of bugs, the game even had No sound for explosions of screen until last update for heavens sake. I can continue this list for hours but I dont really want to, Ill add a few more though.
No npc AI, No npc driving motorcycles, No police patroling, police teleporting when crime is done. No sound with crashing windows, game makes your character OP within a very small time of the game (90K damage with shotgun build). The world is dead, No logical traffic etc.
There we have a very small amount of the problems with this game that a 'normal' game release of this calibur would have even with way less developer time. And with all the above lack of quality that really should be there for a full release of a game they also undercut with 50 % of the features from the 48 minutes video and still used those features to sell the game into the very end. I feel like even if I have played 100+ hours I absolutely have the rights to speak my mind and tell the devs that this is unacceptable even if I have fun with the game this is to much lying and cutting to tell me I still have the "pig". The pig would have been there if those issues I wrote above would have been there so it would reach the same quality as the most games had. 330 Milions in budget and 8 years in progress, maybe 4/5 full team development which still is plenty of time.
I respect what you say but I simply cant agree.
I wont spoil anything but it is absolutely insane how many options we have during mission to retrieve the bot. Even inside meat factory with Mealstrom...it's overwhelming. 10+ outcomes, easly.
It's too much for one stupid quest, considering how little our decisions matters in most of the game.
Some parts of the game are overpacked with ideas, other ones are lacking any reason to care what we actualy doing.
It's too much for one stupid quest, considering how little our decisions matters in most of the game.
Some parts of the game are overpacked with ideas, other ones are lacking any reason to care what we actualy doing.
Because that one quest was part of the demo they flaunted around for years... it's called a hustle sweety.
Actually yes it is. Like I said the people that handled the submissions for each of the consoles could have avoided this whole mess that not only cost CDPR money and it's reputation, but also undoubtedly cost Microsoft and Sony too.
The submission runners not only cost Microsoft and Sony money, but they also cost thrust in those companies. Submission is supposed to let people have faith that their purchases meet certain standards (yeah there have been issues and other games have launched "Unfinished", but not on this level) and people expect their purchases to be safe.
The fact that Cyberpunk got on consoles in the state it was means that those submission runners weren't doing their job properly, and calls into question the quality and safety of all the submissions that were passed. Multiple times software that installs malware, mines bitcoin and/or steals personal information have found their way on Steam because there is no submission, but they were found quickly and removed because PC is an open platform and people can manually look at the files and processes running in the background and even open and dig through the files if they choose. Console being a completely closed platform means that users completely rely on submission doing it's job to ensure quality and safety.
Them not doing their job and letting Cyberpunk through raises the question about other software they passed. Does that other stuff meet standards? Is the other software they let through safe? Does it have malware? Does it use your console to secretly mine bitcoin, which increases the wear and tear of your hardware and reduces it's lifespan? Is it collecting your usage history and the passwords entered in the consoles internet browser? People try to sneak things like that onto consoles more often than you think (just like they try to sneak it on the Google Play and Apple stores), which is why submissions exist and are important.
A lot of the Hype have a lot to do with Cyberpunks underwhelming Release if not Disappointing.
You don't Go out of your Way Advertising all the Best Elements and Features within a game than Half Ass it later on. You don't Over Promise and Under Achieve.
But it's Understandable, there's only so much a Dev Team can Realistically Do for a game. Hell even Mike was Surprised CDPR can even pull off half the shit in this game. I'm enjoying the game honestly. Why? Because everything in this game Works. It's JUST the Bare Minimum of what a FPS "RPG" Game could be. It's not Bad but sure as hell aint nothing Great. It's Subpar at best.
What's really getting people in a Bitchy mood about this game is the Underwhelming Features. This was going to be The Game of 2020. It was going to Rack up those Awards and just Blow away it's Players and Fans of CDPR. Instead we got a Pretty Mediocre Game where it's basically no better than the Typical Ubisoft, EA Game honestly. Hell maybe even Bethesda.
For me Personally, I think the Story and it's Characters Carries the game. The Gameplay and it's World isn't all that Great honestly.
Hell even one of the Dev Teams left a little "Easter Egg" within the game Criticizing the Game as a Whole. How Half Assed it was and how Quickly it was Beaten together to meet that Released date. Obviously everything we saw Was going to be in the game but due to Time Constraints, they didn't have enough time to do anything but the Bare Minimum. It did Not meet CDPR's Dev Team Standards for sure.
Honestly I think the game is Fine but it could've been hella more better on Release. It's very Underwhelming but not that Disappointing, especially when take in account of all the Crap CDPR and the Dev Team had to deal with as a whole. For a game that was worked on for 8 or more Years and this is all they managed to coble together is a bit Disappointing, least compared to what they managed in Witcher 3 in CDPR's Standards.
But without a doubt a lot of these Features and bugs will be improved on down the line, i don't know How Much of it could be Improved. What more can a company do to a Game that's Already Released? If we were to Compare the Game now and Later, like idk. 2 Years down the Line. Will it be COMPLETELY Different or what? I honestly don't know. We'll just have to wait and see and let the Pros do what they have to do.
I think half of it is on CDPR but most of it is on Us, the players. CDPR Overly Promised and Under Achieved. But we let our Expectations and Imaginations run a little Too Wild.
You don't Go out of your Way Advertising all the Best Elements and Features within a game than Half Ass it later on. You don't Over Promise and Under Achieve.
But it's Understandable, there's only so much a Dev Team can Realistically Do for a game. Hell even Mike was Surprised CDPR can even pull off half the shit in this game. I'm enjoying the game honestly. Why? Because everything in this game Works. It's JUST the Bare Minimum of what a FPS "RPG" Game could be. It's not Bad but sure as hell aint nothing Great. It's Subpar at best.
What's really getting people in a Bitchy mood about this game is the Underwhelming Features. This was going to be The Game of 2020. It was going to Rack up those Awards and just Blow away it's Players and Fans of CDPR. Instead we got a Pretty Mediocre Game where it's basically no better than the Typical Ubisoft, EA Game honestly. Hell maybe even Bethesda.
For me Personally, I think the Story and it's Characters Carries the game. The Gameplay and it's World isn't all that Great honestly.
Hell even one of the Dev Teams left a little "Easter Egg" within the game Criticizing the Game as a Whole. How Half Assed it was and how Quickly it was Beaten together to meet that Released date. Obviously everything we saw Was going to be in the game but due to Time Constraints, they didn't have enough time to do anything but the Bare Minimum. It did Not meet CDPR's Dev Team Standards for sure.
Honestly I think the game is Fine but it could've been hella more better on Release. It's very Underwhelming but not that Disappointing, especially when take in account of all the Crap CDPR and the Dev Team had to deal with as a whole. For a game that was worked on for 8 or more Years and this is all they managed to coble together is a bit Disappointing, least compared to what they managed in Witcher 3 in CDPR's Standards.
But without a doubt a lot of these Features and bugs will be improved on down the line, i don't know How Much of it could be Improved. What more can a company do to a Game that's Already Released? If we were to Compare the Game now and Later, like idk. 2 Years down the Line. Will it be COMPLETELY Different or what? I honestly don't know. We'll just have to wait and see and let the Pros do what they have to do.
I think half of it is on CDPR but most of it is on Us, the players. CDPR Overly Promised and Under Achieved. But we let our Expectations and Imaginations run a little Too Wild.
We were promised a living breathing city. What we got was a city with NPC's who's AI and dialog is like a game from early 2000. A rushed out Alpha with unfinished or cut features and game breaking bugs. NPC's outside of missions break immersion rather than adding to it. The world is all style no substance, all looks no depth. We came for a genre defining game like Red Dead 2 or Witcher 3 and we got a discount Ubisoft game with less features and more bugs.
This is what happens when you let "Suits" make the game development decisions for your studio. They have no idea about game development while being more than willing to deceive people to make quick money not caring that in the long term it's a bad business decision. Next time CD-PR says "We are going to be making this Epic game with these features" people will ignore them and you won't get pre-orders. You have gone from one of the most respected game developers in the industry with millions of fans to completely losing the trust of the gaming industry.
It's abundantly clear that once again like so many other great gaming developers before it they put a bunch of Suits in charge who don't care about quality game development, the long term health of CD-PR or their staff. THey certainly had NO RESPECT for the CD-PR customers. We were blatantly lied too and games reviewers deceived by denying them access to console versions of the game before release. All the people in charge of this only care about making short term money by any means necessary even if it meant sacrificing CD-PR's reputation on a bonfire to do it.
The Bosses in charge who made the decision to rush out Cyberpunk2077 this year should be named, shamed and fired. It's Bosses like this that ruin game studios while selling themselves as big profit makers. You need new people at the top who care about the long term health of your business. The decision made to rush out cyberpunk this year has damaged CD-PR financially in the long term and whoevers responsible should own up to it. Any studio can lie about features and rush a game out for quick money and with a reputation like CD-PR's it is easy to do that. It isn't a great business decision, it's a stupid one for a games studio. Whoever was in charge of them business decisions were doing it for their short term gain while knowing it would ruin CD-PR's reputation once it was discovered most of the features were cut and it's broken on consoles. Cyberpunk2077 needed at least another full year in development to iron out all the bugs, flesh out Night City implement a AI system that is immersive and include the basic features that were promised.
This is what happens when you let "Suits" make the game development decisions for your studio. They have no idea about game development while being more than willing to deceive people to make quick money not caring that in the long term it's a bad business decision. Next time CD-PR says "We are going to be making this Epic game with these features" people will ignore them and you won't get pre-orders. You have gone from one of the most respected game developers in the industry with millions of fans to completely losing the trust of the gaming industry.
It's abundantly clear that once again like so many other great gaming developers before it they put a bunch of Suits in charge who don't care about quality game development, the long term health of CD-PR or their staff. THey certainly had NO RESPECT for the CD-PR customers. We were blatantly lied too and games reviewers deceived by denying them access to console versions of the game before release. All the people in charge of this only care about making short term money by any means necessary even if it meant sacrificing CD-PR's reputation on a bonfire to do it.
The Bosses in charge who made the decision to rush out Cyberpunk2077 this year should be named, shamed and fired. It's Bosses like this that ruin game studios while selling themselves as big profit makers. You need new people at the top who care about the long term health of your business. The decision made to rush out cyberpunk this year has damaged CD-PR financially in the long term and whoevers responsible should own up to it. Any studio can lie about features and rush a game out for quick money and with a reputation like CD-PR's it is easy to do that. It isn't a great business decision, it's a stupid one for a games studio. Whoever was in charge of them business decisions were doing it for their short term gain while knowing it would ruin CD-PR's reputation once it was discovered most of the features were cut and it's broken on consoles. Cyberpunk2077 needed at least another full year in development to iron out all the bugs, flesh out Night City implement a AI system that is immersive and include the basic features that were promised.
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Boycott huh? And let worse bastards walk the earth? Sorry. I'll take the lesser evil for now. Since at the verrry least they're trying to own up to their crapshow like No Man's Sky(good game now btw). The situation is more like an overly-excited kid who tripped and everybody watched. Unlike the unapologetic adult who cons left and right and still manages to have the gull to walk freely without a single hitch. If CDPR really does turn out like that. I'll support you 100%. For now, sorry but I'll take the toughest pill my throat can handle rather than play nothing at all. We're not even on the redemption story or the true fall just yet so I'll wait and see how this goes.
Also. I'm one of the few who knew what I was getting into. I never believed CDPR from the start that this would work on last-gen. I never asked for decent world AI or vehicle customization and whatnot. All I ever asked for was a Cdpr written non-linear narrative inside a pretty backdrop. Got what I wanted and even more actually, considering I didn't expect this to do a decent job at being an immersive-sim like Deus Ex so that makes me a happy customer. So sorry if I don't support your cause today cause I'm content. Maybe next time if my dumbass expects too much.
Call them out if you want. But I just don't think this is worth the mass boycott just yet cause there are just too many happy and content customers that got exactly what we asked for bugs aside.
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I didn't read any of this.
Is there a "finished game" feature mentioned?
Maybe a "fleshed out well implemented (insert) systems" feature mentioned?
No? Well there it is. Caught. Captured. No pants.
Where is Tom Brady when you need him?
Is there a "finished game" feature mentioned?
Maybe a "fleshed out well implemented (insert) systems" feature mentioned?
No? Well there it is. Caught. Captured. No pants.
Where is Tom Brady when you need him?