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Microsoft offers free upgrade to Windows 10 for users of Windows 7 and 8.1

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Mataresa

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#41
Jan 22, 2015
All I heard in their conference was Experience, Cortana, Store, will learn about you, Voice input, Integration with all your devices, share...

No leave me alone, I want my OS to be modular, simpe, easy, without all the stupid stuff, not gathering data about me and not trying to share all my data with other platforms or people. Makes you sick thinking about what your OS does with your information without you knowing. Can we game on Linux already? Want to finally be able to drop Windows...
 
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Aaden

Rookie
#42
Jan 22, 2015
saoe said:
1 year for free? Might as well pay it up front, they know everyone will download free trail/demo version. Unless you have nothing else to do with your free time and unistall or pirate the OS you will have to pay to keep all your collected pictures and files. So bascicly they want us to pay every 1-2 years whenever they release new OS...
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As i read it, if you upgraded during the first year you'll be able to keep using it until you reinstall Windows. So no need to pay or downgrade as long as you don't have to wipe the system.
 
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Mataresa

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#43
Jan 22, 2015
Interesting: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Analyse-zu-Windows-10-Windows-as-a-Service-2525569.html
Maybe not all is bad.
 
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Scholdarr.452

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#44
Jan 22, 2015
Gilrond said:
I'd say the opposite - Windows is not a contender anymore, on merits that is. MS is playing catch up these days, not the other way around. All those ideas they proclaim so novel for Windows 10 were already implemented by others. The only reason Windows is used so much is simply market capture and network effects. May be they are less sleepy than before, but they are far from leading anything here in terms of systems design. Who knows, may be their new CEO will brush off some dust from them.
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Catch up to whom exactly?

But you said it yourself: they have the market power. They don't NEED to lead with systems design. Simple.

If they don't care about DX then sure, no reason. With the rise of new OpenGL if their DX will be tied to one system it will die a slow and agonizing death simply because OpenGL will be technically superior, cross platform and as well not tied to one Windows version. Of course that didn't quite happen yet, but it easily can. So I expect MS to decouple DX from their kernel eventually.
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There is no actual rise of OpenGL...

And the "DX is dead", "MS is dead" is as old as the "PC is dead" claim. Of course everything could happen. But there is actually no significant indication that DX will lose any market relevance in the next few years imo...

Mataresa said:
Interesting: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Analyse-zu-Windows-10-Windows-as-a-Service-2525569.html
Maybe not all is bad.
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Why did you initially think it was bad?
 
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Mataresa

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#45
Jan 22, 2015
@Scholdarr Cause I don't like all the integration of all devices and programs and amrt programs gathering data about me to "improve my user experience".
 
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Scholdarr.452

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#46
Jan 22, 2015
Mataresa said:
@Scholdarr Cause I don't like all the integration of all devices and programs and amrt programs gathering data about me to "improve my user experience".
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You can disable all online features. It's totally up to the user how much of the featureset of Win10 he wants to use.
 
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Mataresa

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#47
Jan 22, 2015
Maybe, but it will most likely be activated by default and too many technology idiots will use it without knowing the ramifications and also I would prefer it to be more modular and that I can install it afterwards rather than having it installed anyway and just deactivated.
 
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volsung

Forum veteran
#48
Jan 22, 2015
I dont think you'll be allowed to disable *all* features (yeah let's call them that). If anything, simply because not all features are shown to you.

Back to the lack of innovation and lock ins in competitiveness, the Intel/Nvidia/AMD argument is terrible. Processing power moves really fast. If MS built anything like it they would still be selling Pentium 4 equivalents and striking deals with companies to design their software exclusively for that platform. Maybe then gamers would actually realize why monopolies and lock-ins are terrible for everyone.

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Mataresa said:
Can we game on Linux already?
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I don't want to get OT in here (check the Linux Gaming threads) but it really all depends on the type of games you play and what compromises you're willing to make. Recently, many companies such as Firaxis, Daedalic, and even 4A games have released Linux versions. You can play strategy games like the Warlock series, Civ V, XCOM and others, action games such as Metro Last Light, cRPG's like Shadowrun Returns, Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, Tides of Numenera (pending release of course), etc. ALL of them natively in Linux. Even The Witcher 2. Other (confirmed) upcoming titles include Divinity Original Sin, Blackguards 2 and Age of Wonders 3, and others are likely to follow based on their previous record (such as Legend of Grimrock 2).

In my opinion, the only thing still tying the average gamer to Windows are lock-ins such as DirectX exclusives, most of which are AAA+ megaproductions that aren't usually known for their innovations and also come with heavy DRM. For instance, games from Ubisoft, EA, Bethesda, Activision.

So yes, there are solid alternatives for gaming.
 
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Mataresa

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#49
Jan 22, 2015
@.Volsung. I was more saying along the lines of the majority of games. I know there are some. Now just abolish DRM and we can be happy. :)
 
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Gilrond-i-Virdan

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#50
Jan 22, 2015
Scholdarr said:
There is no actual rise of OpenGL...
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If you don't pay attention, it doesn't mean it's not there.
 
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volsung

Forum veteran
#51
Jan 22, 2015
Mataresa said:
@.Volsung. I was more saying along the lines of the majority of games. I know there are some. Now just abolish DRM and we can be happy. :)
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Lately it seems the majority of games *I* play are coming out on Linux. So I suppose it's relative. Granted I don't play things like AssCreed, Dragon Age, Skyrim, Call of Duty, etc.

In any case the point is Windows is not the only alternative for gaming, and MS should really try to bring something new. A good comparison would be the state of Internet Explorer vs. Firefox.
 
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Gilrond-i-Virdan

Forum veteran
#52
Jan 22, 2015
Mataresa said:
@.Volsung. I was more saying along the lines of the majority of games. I know there are some. Now just abolish DRM and we can be happy. :)
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Majority doesn't make it good majority. Quality and quantity are different things ;) I actually quite like DRM-free games which come out lately - they are really good (and they usually have Linux versions), and most DRMed ones are on the contrary - mass market junk. There are some which are good (Bioshock Infinite from what I've heard is a good example), but most are dull generic mass market production so I don't miss them.
 
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Scholdarr.452

Banned
#53
Jan 22, 2015
Gilrond said:
If you don't pay attention, it doesn't mean it's not there.
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Let's not get personal here, ok?

I read gaming news almost every day on various sites. I'd say I know more about actual developments in PC gaming market than most people out there. ;)
 
Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

Forum veteran
#54
Jan 22, 2015
Scholdarr said:
Let's not get personal here, ok?
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It's just an observation. You said there is no rise of OpenGL which means you didn't follow its direction lately and missed what's going on (may be you are focused on the current market and not paying attention to technology direction). Not a big problem, you can catch up on the news, we even discussed that here on the forum:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/30951-Presentation-about-OpenGL-on-upcoming-Siggraph-2014?p=1497959&viewfull=1#post1497959

I doubt gaming news sties will talk about it however. It's technological news. Some might if they pay attention but I rarely see that on the gaming news sties which I don't read partially because of that.
 
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sidspyker

sidspyker

Ex-moderator
#55
Jan 22, 2015
Now then... if we're done with comparing e-peens, let's get back on topic
 
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