Such simple things like good and bad don't exist in the witcher world...everything is a shade of grey...
He already did. He first granted him a merciful suicide and then even spared his life. In Emhyr's view they're probably even.
Hence the " " .Such simple things like good and bad don't exist in the witcher world...everything is a shade of grey...
As I recall the scene, Emhyr had bad plans for Ciri. He really wanted this son from her. Only the presence of Geralt, only the view of Ciri fighting side by side with Geralt on those stairs stop him. I cannot forget he forced to Geralt and Yen to do that final sacrifice in the bath. I repeat, Emhyr is quite unpredictable.The problem with Ciri and the Nilfgaardian Empire is that they put an impostor on the trone of Cintra instead of Ciri. Actually, Emhyr never really wanted to "bang" her, he just wanted to prevent the prophey and so - in his understanding - it would have been the best way to make the saviour of the world the emperor of Nilfgaard. But he coudn't do it as Ciri's father so he left her behind. Geralt and the emperor knew each other quite well, yeah, you could say that...
A good guy?
He most likely murdered his first wife for political gain.
He didn't murder her. It was mainly an accident, one that he regrets to this day. Well, that day. Oh whatever.
Pavetta, could not control her magical powers, so during an attack of hysteria, fell overboard the ship that was being teleported to caste Stygga. And thus she died.
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I haven't said anything else, did I? And no, it wasn't Geralt who stopped him. It was Yennefer and Ciri. Yennefer by letting him promise that he wouldn't hurt Ciri and Ciri by crying while walking away with Emhyr. In that moment he realized that he just couldn't do it (having incestious sex with his own daughter). Geralt helped though by breaking up Emhyr's reason and calling on his morals. He laid the foundation of Ciri melting the emperor's heart...
And of course Geralt and Yennefer had to die. They knew the truth about Ciri being Emhyr's daugther and he couldn't afford to let them alive. The opposition in Nilfgaard would have killed him if they ever found out. It was just reasonable as an emperor of Nilfgaard to sentence them to death. But then, after he saw the vulnerable and crying Ciri his emotions won over his reason and he let all three of them go. A cold-hearted "bad" guy wouldn't have become emotional, he would have killed Geralt and Yen and he would have made Ciri his wife in order to force her to give birth to the saviour of the world (and heir to the Nilfgaardian throne at the same time).
You shouldn't underestimate how deeply Emhyr believed in the prophecy. The invasion of the northern kingdoms wasn't only about gaining more power it was also about creating a united bulwark against the ice age and the end of the world with the Nilfgaardian emperor as its leader. He sacrificied a part of that by letting Ciri go (which must have been quite hard for him, emotions and his father feelings against his believes and political reason) but he didn't gave up the whole plan. And of course you can only maintain your position at the top in Nilfgaard by showing strenght, power and ruthlessness. You can be a snsitive nice guy on the Nilfgaardian throne.
Imo Emhyr is a tragic character. I mean the whole witcher world is rather sad and pessimistic and Emhyr perfectly fits in that. He is always in conflict between his politial situation and ambitions, his believes and his relationsship and history. i hope CDPR won't make Emhyr/Duny a flat character in Witcher 3....
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"Giving her what she deserves" sounds a good clue to me about how complex he is goona be.
In the fact, Vilgefortz told him about prophecy. Vilgefortz lied that he must get marry with Ciri. Vilgefortz created teleport near Sedna Abyss.
True. I take almost 3 years since I read the books. And I don't hate Emhyr, I place him where I think that a man who has lived his life must be. No bad, no good, just acting following his believes, traumatized by his curse, protected by an armor of Emperor unattainable. With only three tender moments in his life: Pavetta, the innocence of Ciri's replaced, and tears of true Ciri.
While at first he used Pavetta love as revenge for his cursed condition, that love was the only time in his life when he felt loved. His conquest of the kingdoms is simply their response to hateful world that treated him so badly, he and his family.
I do not underestimate Emhyr, still think it's one of the best characters created by Sapkowski with Yennefer.
And no, there was no need for Geralt and Yen should die.
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I don't use the spoiler option because the title of the thread has the apropiate notice.
While at first he used Pavetta love as revenge for his cursed condition, that love was the only time in his life when he felt loved. His conquest of the kingdoms is simply their response to hateful world that treated him so badly, he and his family.
I do not underestimate Emhyr, still think it's one of the best characters created by Sapkowski with Yennefer.
And no, there was no need for Geralt and Yen should die.
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I don't use the spoiler option because the title of the thread has the apropiate notice.
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So, since it was bugging me I went and looked for it.
Emhyr learned of the prophecy from Vilgefortz. He learned that a child of Elder Blood will save the world, from the Frost. He knew Ciri had the gene of Lara Dorren, because Vilgefortz told him. Vilgefortz also told him, that Ciri will need to have a son, and that her son's son, would rule/save the world. Emhyr believed that to be the truth, that is why he did what he did. This is why he chased after Ciri. As he said, "the ends justify the means."
For those who want to refresh their memory, Emhyr explains his motives to Geralt in the book Lady of the Lake, at pages 221 - 224, of the fan translation version here on the forums.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1rde0VNEyFKTTFxNzFQaWlZdFU/edit
I hope that it is fine to link that here.
Emhyr learned of the prophecy from Vilgefortz. He learned that a child of Elder Blood will save the world, from the Frost. He knew Ciri had the gene of Lara Dorren, because Vilgefortz told him. Vilgefortz also told him, that Ciri will need to have a son, and that her son's son, would rule/save the world. Emhyr believed that to be the truth, that is why he did what he did. This is why he chased after Ciri. As he said, "the ends justify the means."
For those who want to refresh their memory, Emhyr explains his motives to Geralt in the book Lady of the Lake, at pages 221 - 224, of the fan translation version here on the forums.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1rde0VNEyFKTTFxNzFQaWlZdFU/edit
I hope that it is fine to link that here.
Emhyr is a great ruler, but a horrible father.
That being said, I sincirily hope that his "I shall give her what she deserves" is no malevolent plan,
but his idea of having her join the family business again (against her will most likely).
Empress Cirilla of Nilfgaard ? Hm.
Yeah, in this case I'd fully support a Nilfgaardian occupation of the North.
"The world will die amidst frost and be reborn with the new sun."
Hell yeah, @SMiki55 ~
That being said, I sincirily hope that his "I shall give her what she deserves" is no malevolent plan,
but his idea of having her join the family business again (against her will most likely).
Empress Cirilla of Nilfgaard ? Hm.
Yeah, in this case I'd fully support a Nilfgaardian occupation of the North.
"The world will die amidst frost and be reborn with the new sun."
Hell yeah, @SMiki55 ~
According to some mentions, Emhyr is going to die at the end of this century. Next emperor is Morvran Voorhis. Emreis dynasty RIP
But not worry, usurper Voorhis will not be ruler for a long time. After him, next emperor will Jan Calveit. Hope that CDPR show some character from Calveit family in TW3.
But not worry, usurper Voorhis will not be ruler for a long time. After him, next emperor will Jan Calveit. Hope that CDPR show some character from Calveit family in TW3.
From where did you take that?
And yeah, Vilgefortz told Emhyr about the prophecy but we all know how persuasive he could be. I personally think Emhyr really believed that having a child with Ciri was the only way to save the world...
I can't find exactly where there is a more detailed description, but you can search the wiki. It is in there. Probably facts provided by Sapkowski in interviews.From where did you take that?
And yeah, Vilgefortz told Emhyr about the prophecy but we all know how persuasive he could be. I personally think Emhyr really believed that having a child with Ciri was the only way to save the world...
This link might be helpful.
http://witcher.gamepedia.com/Nilfgaardian_Empire
About Emhyr's beliefs on the prophecy check my post on the previous page.
Edit: Here I found it for you.
Evertsen, Peter, b. 1234, confidant of Emperor Emhyr Deithwen and one of the true authors of the Empire's might. The chief chamberlain of the army during the time of the Northern Wars (q.v.), from 1290 imperial treasurer of the crown. In the final period of Emhyr's rule, he was raised to the rank of coadjutor of the Empire. During the rule of Emperor Morvran Voor he was falsely accused of misappropriation of funds, found guilty, imprisoned and died in 1301 in Winneburg Castle. Postumously rehabilitated by Emperor Jan Calveit in 1328.
Effenberg and Talbot, Encyclopaedia Maxima Mundi, Volume V
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Thanks!
This also sheds a new light on the timeline of TW3. According to the Encylopaedia Maxima Muni the Northern Wars started in 1290. The first witcher game took place in 1273. That would mean that TW3 takes place at least about 15 years after Witcher 1. Ciri was about 16/17 years old when she disappeared in 1268. Ciri should accordingly be at least 38 years old in TW3 (and not about 20 like some people guessed here).
If TW3 takes place after 1290 Emhyr should already be in the final stage of his rule, yes. Peter Evertsen should already be the commander in chief of the Nilfgaardian invasion army and the future emperors Morvran Voorhis and Jan Calveit should also already be around. We don't know exactly when Voorhis took over the rule but he lost it in 1301 to Calveit who obviously has a high rank under Emhyr already, being able to promote Evertsen during the Northern wars....
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Tell Yennefer about that. Lodge is more important than friends for Triss.
CDPR are kinda going with another timeline (since a lot of the years are different). And that statement is in no way true.
CDPR timeline:
Witcher 1
MAY 1270
On the festival of Belleteyn witcher Geralt of Rivia, until now considered dead, appears near castle Kaer Morhen. He’s being pursued by the Wild Hunt, but the sorceress Triss Merigold saves him from the wraiths.
MAY 1270
Kaer Morhen comes under attack from Salamandra bandits. The organisation’s leaders, Azar Javed and the Proffessor, steal the witchers’ secrets, killing young Leo in the process. Geralt starts pursuing them.
JUNE 1270
Following the trail of Salamandra bandits, Geralt arrives at the outskirts of Vizima. The witcher gets involved in the locals’ dirty little schemes and slays the Beast which has been plaguing them.
JUNE 1270
The witcher continues his investigation in Vizima, with the assistance of Triss and the young medic Shani. Geralt gets acquainted with Yaevin, the commander of the local Scoia’tael insurgent unit, and with Siegfried of Denesle, a knight of the Order of the Flaming Rose.
JULY 1270
The witcher is ambushed by Azar Javed, and ends up licking his wounds at Triss Merigold’s house. The sorceress arranges an alliance with powerful representatives of the Lodge of Sorceresses and the Merchant’s Guild. Their help allows Geralt to destroy Salamandra’s powerbase in the city and kill the Proffessor.
JULY 1270
Fleeing the wrath of Salamandra-affiliated Princess Adda, Geralt arrives at the village of Murky Waters. Once there, he gets involved in a conflict between the Scoia’tael and their pursuers – mercenaries serving the Order of the Flaming Rose.
AUGUST 1270
After making a difficult decision at Murky Waters, Geralt returns to Vizima. The burning city is in chaos. The Order and the Scoia’tael fight in the streets and, to add insult to injury, a deadly striga is prowling the city.
AUGUST 1270
The witcher does not give up his pursuit of those who stole the secrets of Kaer Morhen. Azar Javed finally dies at Geralt’s hand, and Salamandra is disbanded.
AUGUST 1270
Geralt manages to reach the cloister of the Order of the Flaming Rose. The witcher defeats the Grand Master who secretly controlled Salamandra’s actions, foiling his mad plan and retrieving the secrets stolen from Kaer Morhen.
SEPTEMBER 1270
King Foltest rewards Geralt for his help in Vizima. The witcher also foils an assassination attempt on the king. Foltest asks the monster slayer to protect him, until the assassination is investigated.
Witcher 2
APRIL 1271
The witcher accompanies Foltest in his siege of Castle La Valette. Another assassination attempt takes plece there. This time Geralt acts too late to stop the assassin, and the king dies.
APRIL 1271
Geralt gets accused of slaying the king. However the commander of Foltest’s special forces, Vernon Roche, helps the witcher to escape up the Pontar river. Geralt begins tracking Foltest’s killer.
MAY 1271
In the town of Flotsam, the witcher meets old friends and makes new enemies. Geralt antagonizes commandant Loredo, and gets involved in the war between the Temerian Special Forces and the Scoia’tael.
MAY 1271
The kingslayer eludes Geralt, and flees to the Pontar Valley, abducting Triss Merigold in the process.
JUNE 1271
The witcher arrives in the Pontar Valley accompanied by either Vernon Roche or the elf Iorveth. His search for the kingslayer is all the harder because of the war between King Henselt and the rebels commanded by Saskia, the Virgin of Aedirn.
JUNE 1271
Geralt helps to resolve the conflict in the Pontar Valley, and discovers that the mysterious assassin was cooperating with the Lodge of Sorceresses.
JULY 1271
The witcher arrives at the ruins of Loc Muinne, just as a grand summit of kings and sorcerers is about to begin there. He finds his foe there, and concludes the tale of the assassins of kings. It turns out that the kingslayers were employed by the Empire of Niflgaard.
AUGUST 1271
The Empire of Nilfgaard declares war on the Northern Kingdoms.
Witcher 3
MAY 1272
The war with Nilfgaard obliterated the old order. The North is engulfed in chaos, and marching armies leave a plague of monsters in their wake. Geralt of Rivia once more treads the Witcher’s Path.
MAY 1270
On the festival of Belleteyn witcher Geralt of Rivia, until now considered dead, appears near castle Kaer Morhen. He’s being pursued by the Wild Hunt, but the sorceress Triss Merigold saves him from the wraiths.
MAY 1270
Kaer Morhen comes under attack from Salamandra bandits. The organisation’s leaders, Azar Javed and the Proffessor, steal the witchers’ secrets, killing young Leo in the process. Geralt starts pursuing them.
JUNE 1270
Following the trail of Salamandra bandits, Geralt arrives at the outskirts of Vizima. The witcher gets involved in the locals’ dirty little schemes and slays the Beast which has been plaguing them.
JUNE 1270
The witcher continues his investigation in Vizima, with the assistance of Triss and the young medic Shani. Geralt gets acquainted with Yaevin, the commander of the local Scoia’tael insurgent unit, and with Siegfried of Denesle, a knight of the Order of the Flaming Rose.
JULY 1270
The witcher is ambushed by Azar Javed, and ends up licking his wounds at Triss Merigold’s house. The sorceress arranges an alliance with powerful representatives of the Lodge of Sorceresses and the Merchant’s Guild. Their help allows Geralt to destroy Salamandra’s powerbase in the city and kill the Proffessor.
JULY 1270
Fleeing the wrath of Salamandra-affiliated Princess Adda, Geralt arrives at the village of Murky Waters. Once there, he gets involved in a conflict between the Scoia’tael and their pursuers – mercenaries serving the Order of the Flaming Rose.
AUGUST 1270
After making a difficult decision at Murky Waters, Geralt returns to Vizima. The burning city is in chaos. The Order and the Scoia’tael fight in the streets and, to add insult to injury, a deadly striga is prowling the city.
AUGUST 1270
The witcher does not give up his pursuit of those who stole the secrets of Kaer Morhen. Azar Javed finally dies at Geralt’s hand, and Salamandra is disbanded.
AUGUST 1270
Geralt manages to reach the cloister of the Order of the Flaming Rose. The witcher defeats the Grand Master who secretly controlled Salamandra’s actions, foiling his mad plan and retrieving the secrets stolen from Kaer Morhen.
SEPTEMBER 1270
King Foltest rewards Geralt for his help in Vizima. The witcher also foils an assassination attempt on the king. Foltest asks the monster slayer to protect him, until the assassination is investigated.
Witcher 2
APRIL 1271
The witcher accompanies Foltest in his siege of Castle La Valette. Another assassination attempt takes plece there. This time Geralt acts too late to stop the assassin, and the king dies.
APRIL 1271
Geralt gets accused of slaying the king. However the commander of Foltest’s special forces, Vernon Roche, helps the witcher to escape up the Pontar river. Geralt begins tracking Foltest’s killer.
MAY 1271
In the town of Flotsam, the witcher meets old friends and makes new enemies. Geralt antagonizes commandant Loredo, and gets involved in the war between the Temerian Special Forces and the Scoia’tael.
MAY 1271
The kingslayer eludes Geralt, and flees to the Pontar Valley, abducting Triss Merigold in the process.
JUNE 1271
The witcher arrives in the Pontar Valley accompanied by either Vernon Roche or the elf Iorveth. His search for the kingslayer is all the harder because of the war between King Henselt and the rebels commanded by Saskia, the Virgin of Aedirn.
JUNE 1271
Geralt helps to resolve the conflict in the Pontar Valley, and discovers that the mysterious assassin was cooperating with the Lodge of Sorceresses.
JULY 1271
The witcher arrives at the ruins of Loc Muinne, just as a grand summit of kings and sorcerers is about to begin there. He finds his foe there, and concludes the tale of the assassins of kings. It turns out that the kingslayers were employed by the Empire of Niflgaard.
AUGUST 1271
The Empire of Nilfgaard declares war on the Northern Kingdoms.
Witcher 3
MAY 1272
The war with Nilfgaard obliterated the old order. The North is engulfed in chaos, and marching armies leave a plague of monsters in their wake. Geralt of Rivia once more treads the Witcher’s Path.
From where did you get that timeline???
Another timeline? Well, that's super lame. I don't like this. At all.
Nobody would invent another timeline for LOTR or Star Wars...
(My statement was based on the original (canon) timeline.)
Front page.
The issue with the years was brought up a couple of times in the past. CDPR still haven't commented on it nor did they change it. So they must have a reason to doing so.
No no, it doesn't say that you must have missread something. He was Peter Evertsen was chief chamberlain of the army during the time of the Northern Wars, If you remember there a scene of him counting cows and writing down suplies or something in the books. After the Northern Wars, in 1290 he became imperial treasurer of the Crown.Thanks!
This also sheds a new light on the timeline of TW3. According to the Encylopaedia Maxima Muni the Northern Wars started in 1290. The first witcher game took place in 1273. That would mean that TW3 takes place at least about 15 years after Witcher 1. Ciri was about 16/17 years old when she disappeared in 1268. Ciri should accordingly be at least 38 years old in TW3 (and not about 20 like some people guessed here).
If TW3 takes place after 1290 Emhyr should already be in the final stage of his rule, yes. Peter Evertsen should already be the commander in chief of the Nilfgaardian invasion army and the future emperors Morvran Voorhis and Jan Calveit should also already be around. We don't know exactly when Voorhis took over the rule but he lost it in 1301 to Calveit who obviously has a high rank under Emhyr already, being able to promote Evertsen during the Northern wars....
@Kinley
CDPR didn't change the timeline much, other than Geralt's date of "death". I believe there were 4 Northern Wars in total, I could be wrong though, I can't remember where I read that. No dates were set. It was definitely before 1290 though.
Either way I think it is a mistake on their timeline, not in the games, since it is mentioned in the game that Geralt was gone for 5 years. They just placed the whole timeline 2 years earlier.
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