NEED HELP: Traditional Japanese attire and weapons

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http://www.shotokai.com/ingles/others/weapons.html Some karate weapons. They trained us mostly in kama and tonfa.

http://judoinfo.com/kano2.htm "Judo was an art of fighting, generally without weapons, although sometimes different kinds of weapons were used." back in the day...

Boxing I guess is weapons free?

ANyway, MA without weapons are the rare exception.


Toughest guy I know never took any MA. Beat the living crap out of a bunch, though...natural fighter, very aggressive, utterly unafraid, superb coordination, crazy high strength.

MA attempts to teach what naturals already know: how to hurt someone really efficiently. Well, some MA. On the surface, anyway.
 
http://www.shotokai.com/ingles/others/weapons.html Some karate weapons. They trained us mostly in kama and tonfa.

http://judoinfo.com/kano2.htm "Judo was an art of fighting, generally without weapons, although sometimes different kinds of weapons were used." back in the day...

Boxing I guess is weapons free?

ANyway, MA without weapons are the rare exception.


Toughest guy I know never took any MA. Beat the living crap out of a bunch, though...natural fighter, very aggressive, utterly unafraid, superb coordination, crazy high strength.

MA attempts to teach what naturals already know: how to hurt someone really efficiently. Well, some MA. On the surface, anyway.

The PAC refers that officially as "Te",(Hand) the Okinawan Martial Art from the Ryukyu islands (sometimes know as "Okinawan Karate"), which would evolve into the Japanese Karate (Empty Hand). Te used some weapons (known as Kobudo), whereas Japanese Karate does not.
 
Toughest guy I know never took any MA. Beat the living crap out of a bunch, though...natural fighter, very aggressive, utterly unafraid, superb coordination, crazy high strength.

MA attempts to teach what naturals already know: how to hurt someone really efficiently. Well, some MA. On the surface, anyway.

another thing the books fail to take into consideration: instructor competence. sure, that ancient and mystical technique dreamed up by monks in the 12th century might be the absolute end all be all... when performed by a expert. but the simple fact is what you're much more likely to learn is a watered down sport form of that same art from an entrepreneur in a strip mall that will never get you anywhere near that level. by the book, any cubicle monkey that's taken karate classes for a year should be kicking the shit out of street rats who get into fights every day... real life plays out decidedly differently. that's one thing i love about IU is wisdom dialing back the godlike damage capacity of martial arts.

some interesting reading on the subject
http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/MAculture.html
 
The PAC refers that officially as "Te",(Hand) the Okinawan Martial Art from the Ryukyu islands (sometimes know as "Okinawan Karate"), which would evolve into the Japanese Karate (Empty Hand). Te used some weapons (known as Kobudo), whereas Japanese Karate does not.

The Core Book, which refers to Karate - Shotokan, which I learned and included weapons, Shorin-Ryu, which eventually teaches weapons, Shito-ryu which does not immediately but later - as just one overall Art.

Also, what do you think Japanese Karate is? Many different styles came from Okinawa and yet some were developed later in other parts of Japan. Gosoku-ryu is Japanese and it teaches weapons.

As we wander sort-of off topic, although you were interested in weapon damages and book rules. These are those...I guess?
 
The Core Book, which refers to Karate - Shotokan, which I learned and included weapons, Shorin-Ryu, which eventually teaches weapons, Shito-ryu which does not immediately but later - as just one overall Art.

Also, what do you think Japanese Karate is? Many different styles came from Okinawa and yet some were developed later in other parts of Japan. Gosoku-ryu is Japanese and it teaches weapons.

As we wander sort-of off topic, although you were interested in weapon damages and book rules. These are those...I guess?
Yeah, the core book refers to both Shotokan and Kenpo as variations on Karate, as opposed to pure Karate.

And, yeah, we are wandering off topic a bit, My main focus her is on Ninjutsu, because the character in question is a traditionally trained Shinobi of Samurai ancestry (as most Shinobi were Samurai, according to history) whose primary weapons are his 500+ year old family Daisho. He's also heir to the leadership of the clan. I still have to find a proper locality in Japan for his family han as well, and figure out if there would (or should) be any connection to the Iga or Koga schools (and if so, which one). His family name (and the name of the clan (and thus the Ryu of Ninjutsu) is Kuraiyama (lit. Dark Mountain), which is descriptive of the region his clan has resided for centuries, but I don't know of any specific Japanese mountains that fit that description, or would have been given that as an informal name, given that I'm not "that" familiar with Japanese geography.
 
You left out Dodge/Escape. Used to Dodge, unlike the +Dodge in your Martial Art. You know, because that makes it even clearer.

Fencing is the science of foil and epee. Melee is -every other weapon ever-. Brawl is punching and biting people. Martial Arts is Brawl+Melee+Fencing!

Perfectly clear.

Except thats bollocks a a foil and epee aren't used anywhere outside of competition, so do Rapiers fall under the heading of Fencing? How about Cutlasses? Techiniques were both highly trained and similiar. But then we move into broadswords and longswords? What about Kendo, does that just fall under fencing as well? At what point does Fencing end and Melee begin?

The only european martial arts listed in the core books are Savate, (which traditionally includes cane training, even if no bonuses are given to it in the book), Sambo, wrestling, and boxing.

Have you ever met anyone who could had been trained to fist fight, even a boxer, who took a look at a baseball bat and was like.... gee I have no idea how one might go about using such an odd device to inflict pain?

On the reverse, have you ever even heard of a school that teaches effective combat weapon training that doesn't ALSO teach hand to hand techniques? No, because the idea is absurd.


I don't see it as "completely silly". I do see the logic behind it. While many martial arts do teach weapons training, not all do (Karate and Judo, for example), so I can see why they have it as it's own group of skills with some Martial Arts having weapons bonuses and others not. I also see why you'd have brawling separate from Martial Arts, since "brawling" is essentially untrained fighting, whereas Martial Artists are deadly weapons in and of themselves.

Karate and judo both teach weapons, Judo training is why police officers have nightsticks shaped like Tonfa instead of the old baton style sticks.

Brawling is untrained hand to hand, while Melee is supposed to be every weapon but a foil/epee' which is covered by fencing, which not a single book has prices, stats, or even mention of outside the cores description. And martial arts, like the spooky mystic bullshit people still believed in the late 80's thought, is somehow supposed to be the one super area that teaches it all, while all the rest of the suckers may know how to throw a punch, but think knives are only useful for cutting up your dinner and the guy who does know how to use a polearm effectively might not have idea how to do anything but cry if he drops it.

another thing the books fail to take into consideration: instructor competence. sure, that ancient and mystical technique dreamed up by monks in the 12th century might be the absolute end all be all... when performed by a expert. but the simple fact is what you're much more likely to learn is a watered down sport form of that same art from an entrepreneur in a strip mall that will never get you anywhere near that level. by the book, any cubicle monkey that's taken karate classes for a year should be kicking the shit out of street rats who get into fights every day... real life plays out decidedly differently. that's one thing i love about IU is wisdom dialing back the godlike damage capacity of martial arts.

some interesting reading on the subject
http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/MAculture.html

thank you.

You know, on second thought, I am rescinding my agreement that a Daisho be allowed. I mean we are sticking to the original rules, and the steel Daisho is not listed as being applicable to any martial art, as Stampy pointed out, therefore I would say that a non-mono crystal Katana or Wakizashi would only be useable with Fencing under standard Interlock or Fuzion rules.
 
Except thats bollocks a a foil and epee aren't used anywhere outside of competition, so do Rapiers fall under the heading of Fencing? How about Cutlasses? Techiniques were both highly trained and similiar. But then we move into broadswords and longswords? What about Kendo, does that just fall under fencing as well? At what point does Fencing end and Melee begin?

The only european martial arts listed in the core books are Savate, (which traditionally includes cane training, even if no bonuses are given to it in the book), Sambo, wrestling, and boxing.

Have you ever met anyone who could had been trained to fist fight, even a boxer, who took a look at a baseball bat and was like.... gee I have no idea how one might go about using such an odd device to inflict pain?

On the reverse, have you ever even heard of a school that teaches effective combat weapon training that doesn't ALSO teach hand to hand techniques? No, because the idea is absurd.




Karate and judo both teach weapons, Judo training is why police officers have nightsticks shaped like Tonfa instead of the old baton style sticks.

Brawling is untrained hand to hand, while Melee is supposed to be every weapon but a foil/epee' which is covered by fencing, which not a single book has prices, stats, or even mention of outside the cores description. And martial arts, like the spooky mystic bullshit people still believed in the late 80's thought, is somehow supposed to be the one super area that teaches it all, while all the rest of the suckers may know how to throw a punch, but think knives are only useful for cutting up your dinner and the guy who does know how to use a polearm effectively might not have idea how to do anything but cry if he drops it.

Well, technically, at least according to the RAW, Fencing covers any sword fighting style, not just Epee and Foil.The three examples it specifically lists are "Swords" Rapiers, and Monoblades. Among the Fencing Masters it lests as having a +10 are D'Artagnan, and Miyamoto Musashi.

thank you.

You know, on second thought, I am rescinding my agreement that a Daisho be allowed. I mean we are sticking to the original rules, and the steel Daisho is not listed as being applicable to any martial art, as Stampy pointed out, therefore I would say that a non-mono crystal Katana or Wakizashi would only be useable with Fencing under standard Interlock or Fuzion rules.
We're also going by the PAC, which includes the About Monoblades rule for turning steel bladed Martial Arts weapons into Monobladed ones and still getting the MA benefit from it. Thus, the reverse should also be true. Stampy is completely against martial Arts getting weapons bonuses to begin with, even though the PAC gives them that.

About Monoblades
You can change the blades/points of spiked(like Sai) or edged Martial Arts weapons to "monomolecular crystal" (a cheap version of the material used in Mono-Two blades). This adds 1D6 to the damage (ex: 2D6=2 becomes 3D6+2), and soft armors are 1/3 SP; hard armor 2/3 SP
There are two disadvantages: when you attempt a parry with a monoblade, roll a D10. On a 4 or less, the blade breaks. The blade always breaks on a Fumble or Critical failure. The second disadvantage is that it's incredibly expensive—multiply the weapon cost x5.
—Pacific Rim Sourcebook page 150.

So, if you can turn a steel blade of a weapon in the Martial Arts Weapons chart (such as the Kusarigama and Sai) into a monoblade and still get the Martial Arts Strike bonus and damage bonus, it stands to reason that you can get those same bonuses from the "original" steel version of weapons monoblades listed on the chart are patterned after, given that the techniques are exactly the same, and the monoblades are "copies" of the weapons the Martial Arts originally used to begin with (the Mono-two being monobladed version of a traditional Daisho). otherwise, traditional Martial Arts weapons on the list turned into Monoblades would also not get the bonuses, and that's not what the About Monoblades rule even remotely suggests at all. The only reason why the original Daisho wasn't in the PAC is because there were no stats for it until three years later with the release of Firestorm: Shockwave.
 
Well, technically, at least according to the RAW, Fencing covers any sword fighting style, not just Epee and Foil.The three examples it specifically lists are "Swords" Rapiers, and Monoblades. Among the Fencing Masters it lests as having a +10 are D'Artagnan, and Miyamoto Musashi.

We're also going by the PAC, which includes the About Monoblades rule for turning steel bladed Martial Arts weapons into Monobladed ones and still getting the MA benefit from it. Thus, the reverse should also be true. Stampy is completely against martial Arts getting weapons bonuses to begin with, even though the PAC gives them that.

—Pacific Rim Sourcebook page 150.[/FONT][/B][/I]

So, if you can turn a steel blade of a weapon in the Martial Arts Weapons chart (such as the Kusarigama and Sai) into a monoblade and still get the Martial Arts Strike bonus and damage bonus, it stands to reason that you can get those same bonuses from the "original" steel version of weapons monoblades listed on the chart are patterned after, given that the techniques are exactly the same, and the monoblades are "copies" of the weapons the Martial Arts originally used to begin with (the Mono-two being monobladed version of a traditional Daisho). otherwise, traditional Martial Arts weapons on the list turned into Monoblades would also not get the bonuses, and that's not what the About Monoblades rule even remotely suggests at all. The only reason why the original Daisho wasn't in the PAC is because there were no stats for it until three years later with the release of Firestorm: Shockwave.

If you wish to use the examples from Firestorm, which as you pointed out are made from orbital crystal, and wish to reverse them to use steel, then the damage woulf be 1d6+3 for the wakizashi, 2d6 for the katana... (The versions listed in FS:SW are 2d6+3 and 3d6 respectively).

And yeah, I would still say that you have to use fencing, after all, the FS:SW was released 3 years after pac-rim as you said, so if those swords were eligible surely it would say so in the long description for them given. This is also backed up by the fact that the example Arasaka Troops listed (both standard and Special Ops), both have fencing listed as one of their higher skills. Heck, even the Arasaka super bad ass ninja girl has fencing.

(Wierd that none of the Arasaka personel actually know Arasaka-Te, which is supposed to be standard training for all Arasaka personel, and was presented in Listen Up You Primitive Screwheads in 94, a few months before Pac-Rim)

Of course since Pac rim makes mention of Spiked as well as bladed weapons, eligible for mono upgrade, one would be led to believe the author really had no clue what they were talking about, especially since it lists sai as an example, instead relying on marvel comics to inform them. In reality, typically sai are not really spiked so much as slightly pointed... they are defensive weapons used for disarming foes, the whole stabbing thing comes from Frank Miller making them the prime weapon of Elektra and having zero clue about what they actually look like or how they are used besides seeing them in ads of the back of kung fu magazines. While it is possible, with a pretty hefty amoung of force, to stab someone with sai, it would be more effective to simply bludgeon your opponent with one. And trying to use mono crystal anything, to parry anything else, is just a good way to turn a couple hundred bucks into pretty glass shards....
 
If you wish to use the examples from Firestorm, which as you pointed out are made from orbital crystal, and wish to reverse them to use steel, then the damage woulf be 1d6+3 for the wakizashi, 2d6 for the katana... (The versions listed in FS:SW are 2d6+3 and 3d6 respectively).

And yeah, I would still say that you have to use fencing, after all, the FS:SW was released 3 years after pac-rim as you said, so if those swords were eligible surely it would say so in the long description for them given. This is also backed up by the fact that the example Arasaka Troops listed (both standard and Special Ops), both have fencing listed as one of their higher skills. Heck, even the Arasaka super bad ass ninja girl has fencing.

(Wierd that none of the Arasaka personel actually know Arasaka-Te, which is supposed to be standard training for all Arasaka personel, and was presented in Listen Up You Primitive Screwheads in 94, a few months before Pac-Rim)

Of course since Pac rim makes mention of Spiked as well as bladed weapons, eligible for mono upgrade, one would be led to believe the author really had no clue what they were talking about, especially since it lists sai as an example, instead relying on marvel comics to inform them. In reality, typically sai are not really spiked so much as slightly pointed... they are defensive weapons used for disarming foes, the whole stabbing thing comes from Frank Miller making them the prime weapon of Elektra and having zero clue about what they actually look like or how they are used besides seeing them in ads of the back of kung fu magazines. While it is possible, with a pretty hefty amoung of force, to stab someone with sai, it would be more effective to simply bludgeon your opponent with one. And trying to use mono crystal anything, to parry anything else, is just a good way to turn a couple hundred bucks into pretty glass shards....
The Arasaka blades aren't monocrystal., nor does it say that they're "orbital" crystal either, just that they were forged in orbit.

Based upon their descriptions and damages compared to the Mono-Two, or even standard mono-knives and monokatana from the core rule book, The Arasaka Blades are definitely not Monoblades. The Mono-Two is specifically stated to be made from Orbital Crystal reenforced Monomolecular crystal. It's the monomolecular crystal which gives the Mono-Two the added die of damage per blade (as well as the inherent fragility), not "Orbital Crystal", whatever that is, exactly. The Orbital crystal simply makes the mono-crystal "less fragile" than it otherwise would be. The Araska blades, however, are not monoblades. It should also be noted that the Arasaka troops are not Shinobi, they're just soldiers and officers. Thus, they wouldn't be trained in Ninjutsu in the first place. IF you compare the katana from the Arasaka Daiso and the Mono-Two (or standard monokatana from the core rules) set, the Arasaka Katana is 3D6 whereas the Monokatana set is 4D6. Thus, the Arasaka blade is exactly the same damage as a steel Katana would be if you simply "reverse engineered" a steel katana from a Monokatana using the About Monoblades rule in the PAC. Likewise, the Wakizashi is 2D6 +3, which is very close to the damage as the tanto sized monoknife from the core rules (2D6). reverse the mono-knife, to steel and you get a damage of only 1D6, (the damage in the Core rules for a standard knife). the Arasaka wakizashi's damage (2D6+3) is also only one point higher than a standard steel sword from the core rules (2D6+2). That suggests that the specific "orbital crystal" (not to be confused with Monocrystal) used in the construction of the Arasaka Daisho is a special type of steel as opposed to "orbital glass". So the Arasaka weapons are certainly not monoblades. These are metal, albeit perhaps some "special alloy" cooked up by Arasaka in orbit, but metal none the less.

As for the Sai, while I agree, why would you want to make one out of Monocrystal, when it is primarily a parrying weapon is beyond mew, referring to it as "spiked" is pretty accurate. A "spike" does not necessarily need to be sharply pointed to be a "spike". It just has to be tapered with even a "rounded" point. A railroad spike or tent spike aren't super sharply pointed.. In fact, they're no more pointed than a Sai, probably less so. So, yes, I would call a Sai a "spiked" weapon. Of cource, the PAC only uses the Sai as an example, not as the only "spiked" weapon available for Monoblading.

Also, The Firestorm sourcebooks are using the standard Martial Arts from the Core rules, not the expanded ones from the PAC. Arasaka's vaunted Covert Operations Team Leader, from Firestorm: Stormfront, Haruko Kanawa, for example, doesn't even have Ninjutsu. She has Aikido. The same with Kagekaze, an actual Shinobi with Combat Sense: Nindo (PAC) +9 , does not have Ninjutsu as his Martial Art skill. He too has Aikido, which does not have any MA weapons associated with it, and does not get the Strike Bonus for MA weapons. In fact, none of the characters in the Firestorm sourcebooks have any PAC specific Martial Arts. They're all from the core rule book. That's why none of the character get MA Weapons Strike bonuses. It's because none of them have Martial Arts which get MA Weapons' Strike bonuses. In fact, other than Morgan Blackhand, who has Tae Kwan Do, pretty much everyone in Stormfront[/i[]who has a Martial Arts skill, has Aikido.

Back to the PAC though. Using the About Monoblades rule, you can take a bladed Martial Arts weapon, such as the Kusarigama (2D6*-blade/3D6-weighted chain) and make it into a monobladed kusariama (3D6#-blade/3D6-weighted chain) and still get the MA Strike and Damage bonus for Ninjutsu in place of Melee, since the original weapon is an MA weapon. Therefore, as far as far as the PAC is concerned, based upon the About Monobladesp rule, a Kusarigama and monoblade kusarigama are the same in regards to their use with Ninjutsu. Both get to use Ninjutsu and get the MA Strike Bonus and damage bonus. Thus, it stands to reason, (and this is backed up by reality), you should also be able to take a mono-weapon listed, reverse the process to get the "standard steel" version of that weapon, and still get the MA Strike bonus.

Both the Mono-Two's Monokatana, and the Power Sword are monobladed versions of the traditional Katana. And both et the MA bonus for Ninjutsu. If you reverse engineer a standard katana from either of those weapons, you end up with the same weapon as in Firestorm Shockwave, a traditional Katana, and, therefore, should also still get the use of Ninjutsu and its strike and damage bonuses with that weapon. The same with a Wakizashi. This is especially true since the use of the Daisho was taught in real Ninjutsu, given that Kenjutsu is one of the component parts of Ninjutsu.

Another thin of note under the rules on Key Attacks on page 138 of the PAC, It specifically states that Skills which get the Strike Key Attack include Martial Arts, Fencing, or Melee, and skills that get the "Cast" attack include Martial Arts, Archery, and Athletics. This suggests that Fencing masters should bet at least an additional +1 bonus to attacks and their specific Fencing skill added to their damage. This is supported a bit on page 145 under Martial Arts Weapons where it says, "Even if you don't know Kendo (Japanese fencing), you can still slash with a katana." and a little further down, "Martial Artists know how to draw the maximum ability from their weapons (although the vids tend to exaggerate). If you have not learned Martial Arts, it means you must rely on the inherent destructive power of the weapon. This is perfectly normal."

Now, this passage suggests that Kendo Masters "should" get bonuses to attack and damage from their skill in their chosen weapon. It is "claiming" that Kendo is a Martial Art. The same with a "Melee master" . However, this is complicated by the next passage Styles of Martial Arts Weapons, also on Page 145. This passage states that unless the weapon and style match up, you don't add the bonuses to attack and damage, and thus usually use Melee instead (or whatever the "default" skill is), which adds IP to that skill not your Martial Art, The example they give is Maria "Stormy Terror" Chung, an expert in Choi Li Fut, Tae Kwan Do, and Aikido, who acquires a Kuusarigama. It state that she can't get any bonuses using the Kusarigama because she lacks Ninjutsu. This section suggests that only the actual "Martial Arts" listed in the charts get any bonuses. Thus, it get a bit muddy.

Onto the clothing issue, Page 23 of the PAC in the section Style House Japan by Tonoike "Mi-chan" Mitsuhiro dscribes an Eji of Japan "Kataginu Suit , but describes them as bolero jackets with old "samurai wings". Though, once again, there are no stats or "prices" for this, and a Bolero jacket looks nothing like a kataginu, given that the bolero jacket usually has sleeves (though some have very short sleeves or none)and is typically very short (stopping well above the waist) whereas a kataginu is a sleeveless surcoat that tucks into the waist of the hakama. However, this does suggest that a Kataginu "could be made simply using a "Vest" from Chrome book 4 as the starting point, a "Shirt" or "Tunic" from the list as the start of the kimono, and "Pants" for Hakama. What do you guys think? Have I been over-thinking things?

It should be noted that the Pandemonium Urbanwear over at Datafortress 2020 lists a Chainmail Hakama, which I presume is one of Wisdom000's creations. Correct me if I'm wrong here Wisdom. If you did write that up, what did you use as the starting point, and how did you go about "creating" that outfit?
 
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...what I have found is all over the place in terms of prices, at least for Hakama and Kimonos, and the only Kataginu I've found are all custom made on Ebay.
Yeah; for hakama, specifically, I can tell you from first-hand experience that that's another thing that's gonna be all over the place on price-point, depending on the quality.

You can get a beginner's Aikidoka poly-cotton blend hakama for about 50 bucks, USD, and you can sometimes score a kendoka's basic hakama on clearance or discount for around 50-60, USD.

It only goes up from there.

The kataginu is gonna be kind of a tall order; I liken it to the "hand-tailored suit or tux." Custom, handmade, and usually only brought out for formal occasions.

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The same with Kagekaze
WAITwaitwait...

I never picked up Firestorm; is this for real?? KAGEKAZE??

"Shadow Wind"? That is freakin' HI-larious. XD
 
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Yeah; for hakama, specifically, I can tell you from first-hand experience that that's another thing that's gonna be all over the place on price-point, depending on the quality.

You can get a beginner's Aikidoka poly-cotton blend hakama for about 50 bucks, USD, and you can sometimes score a kendoka's basic hakama on clearance or discount for around 50-60, USD.

It only goes up from there.

The kataginu is gonna be kind of a tall order; I liken it to the "hand-tailored suit or tux." Custom, handmade, and usually only brought out for formal occasions.

Yeah, it has been tough. That's why I'm wondering of I'm over-thinking things and if I could just start them using the "pants", "tunic" and Vest" bases out for Chrome Book 4 and just "fudge" it.

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WAITwaitwait...

I never picked up Firestorm; is this for real?? KAGEKAZE??

"Shadow Wind"? That is freakin' HI-larious. XD
Yes, Kagekaze, (Shadow Wind). And don't laugh. That is the same call sign I was originally giving my character's younger brother. It's a good code name for a Shinobi. My character goes by the call sign, "Kageto" (Shadowblade). It fits for a Shinobi. After all, are Shinobi not kagebushi? Are they not shadow warriors?
 
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Yeah, it has been tough. That's why I'm wondering of I'm over-thinking things and if I could just start them using the "pants", "tunic" and Vest" bases out for Chrome Book 4 and just "fudge" it.
Yeah; if you can't find a real-world price analogue for the quality you're looking for, that might be the way to go.

At the least, the hakama and kimono should be easier to find real-world prices for.

Yes, Kagekaze, (Shadow Wind). And don't laugh.
Nope! Totes laughing.

I mean, yeah; my character would probably wind up hamburger, but he'd be laughing all the way into the grave. =D
 
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Interesting thread.
I know very little about traditional Japanese attire/weapons so no point saying anything, but I've learned a lot following this thread.
 
Yeah; if you can't find a real-world price analogue for the quality you're looking for, that might be the way to go.

At the least, the hakama and kimono should be easier to find real-world prices for.

Well, here's what I'm thinking for the Hakama using Chrome Book 4:

Pants base: medium material 20 eb (4000 ¥)
Business Wear (x3) at least, (These are worn for formal events after all).
Designer (x4) or Superchic (x7)
Armored SP 14 (x1.75) made from Spider silk.

For the Komono:

Tunic base: light material 25 eb (5000¥)
Business Wear (x3)
Designer (x4) or Superchic (x7)
Armored SP 10 (x1.5) Spider silk

For the Kataginu:

Vest base: medium material 25 eb (5000 ¥)
Business wear (x3)
Designer (x4) or Superchic (x7)
Armored SP 14 (x 1.75) Spider silk.

for the Obi

Belt base: medium silk material eb (2000¥)
Business Wear (x3)
Designer (x4) or Superchic (x7)




Nope! Totes laughing.

I mean, yeah; my character would probably wind up hamburger, but he'd be laughing all the way into the grave. =D

I still don't know why you find that name funny.
 
Well, here's what I'm thinking for the Hakama using Chrome Book 4:

Pants base: medium material 20 eb (4000 ¥)
Business Wear (x3) at least, (These are worn for formal events after all).
Designer (x4) or Superchic (x7)
Armored SP 14 (x1.75) made from Spider silk.

For the Komono:

Tunic base: light material 25 eb (5000¥)
Business Wear (x3)
Designer (x4) or Superchic (x7)
Armored SP 10 (x1.5) Spider silk

For the Kataginu:

Vest base: medium material 25 eb (5000 ¥)
Business wear (x3)
Designer (x4) or Superchic (x7)
Armored SP 14 (x 1.75) Spider silk.

for the Obi

Belt base: medium silk material eb (2000¥)
Business Wear (x3)
Designer (x4) or Superchic (x7)
As far as kendo hakama are concerned, around 140 USD (or 140 eb, if we're doing a straight conversion) looks about right for a nicer one. (The linked site is my go-to for kendo equipment. They're local-ish to me, and typically have the best price-point, in regards to quality, that I've found.)

I still don't know why you find that name funny.
I dunno; it just strikes me as overly dramatic. Grandiose, even.

I s'pose if they get the job done, that's all that matters.


Actually... that might be a clever ploy, to get people to underestimate you.

"So, what do they call you, punk??"

"Mr. Whiskers."

"MR. WHISKERS?? AHAHAHAHAHAHA--"

"BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!"

"...*gurgle, thud, splat*"

"Mr. Whiskers is not amused. He's only going to ask one more time: WHERE IS THE PACKAGE."
 
As far as kendo hakama are concerned, around 140 USD (or 140 eb, if we're doing a straight conversion) looks about right for a nicer one. (The linked site is my go-to for kendo equipment. They're local-ish to me, and typically have the best price-point, in regards to quality, that I've found.)
Yeah, I'm looking for something a little more "semi-formal"-"formal", preferably silk; something he'd wear on the town, special occasions, tea ceremony, etc, not in a dojo.

Also, US Dollars = .50 EB, so 140 US would only be 70 EB. That is, unless, in your game, the US Dollar is still the standard.

I dunno; it just strikes me as overly dramatic. Grandiose, even.

I s'pose if they get the job done, that's all that matters.


Actually... that might be a clever ploy, to get people to underestimate you.

"So, what do they call you, punk??"

"Mr. Whiskers."

"MR. WHISKERS?? AHAHAHAHAHAHA--"

"BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!"

"...*gurgle, thud, splat*"

"Mr. Whiskers is not amused. He's only going to ask one more time: WHERE IS THE PACKAGE."
When have the Japanese ever been known for subtlety. My point is, "grandiose" as it may be, it's an appropriate code name for a Shinobi. Look at Storm Shadow, from GI Joe. He took his code name from the name of his clan: Arashikage (lit :Storm Shadow). Also, As a rule, all Japanese names have real meanings, even their normal "First" names. For instance, Kenichi means "Strong First (Son)"— Japanese Male Names and Their Meanings.

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Yeah, I'm looking for something a little more "semi-formal"-"formal", preferably silk; something he'd wear on the town, special occasions, tea ceremony, etc, not in a dojo.
*nods* Of course. The price-point for a real world analogue was just for reference.

Also, US Dollars = .50 EB, so 140 US would only be 70 EB. That is, unless, in your game, the US Dollar is still the standard.
I allow my players to do a straight conversion from real-world prices to in-game eb, if they can't find the specific item they're looking for in-game.

One player was looking for an "old" junker of a car; a '99 Pontiac Firebird. Found one on craigslist for 2000 bucks; called it 2000 eb in-game for the same car, and called it a day.

When have the Japanese ever been known for subtlety.
I dunno; Pearl Harbor?

...

What? Too soon?
 
*nods* Of course. The price-point for a real world analogue was just for reference.


I allow my players to do a straight conversion from real-world prices to in-game eb, if they can't find the specific item they're looking for in-game.

One player was looking for an "old" junker of a car; a '99 Pontiac Firebird. Found one on craigslist for 2000 bucks; called it 2000 eb in-game for the same car, and called it a day.


I dunno; Pearl Harbor?

...

What? Too soon?
Pearl Harbor was about as subtle as a bull elephant. Sneaky? Yes. Underhanded? absolutely, Subtle? Not even close.
 
What are you talking about? Japanese culture is full of subtle cues.





Er... that is...







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You may be on to something. =p




(I'm being deliberately obtuse, of course. After all, this *is* the culture that brought us the words sararīman and karōshi. Though, I'll grant that it's a bit of interpretive wordplay, equating "subtle" to "nondescript.")
 
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