After the base game endings, Edgerunner (anime) ending, it was to be expected (at least I expected this kjind of ending^^).
Beside, the "bone" is that V will live
Beside, the "bone" is that V will live
Wow, so someone else feels emotionally dejected after that ending too. I played Fem V and coming back and being basically useless at that point is a miserable turn of events.
Judy moves on without V and marries someone else, V has no friends?
The nomad ending was and still is the best imo. I think V losing everything is just as bad as the suicide and giving up her body ones.
I chose life... my thoughts, at first I was angry, then I was wondering why they cheaped out on such an ending then I thought...
You can have a happy ending but only one happy ending for one person, not necessarily for 'v'
this ending made me realize just how much more I had to do and choosing life seemed more to be about giving up than continuing.
Dex makes the point, you want to die in obscurity live to a ripe old age and be a nobody,.. or do you want to shine and go out like a star going super nova. Only when we die of a ripe old age do we realize we wanted to go out supernova
on reflection I liked the ending as a choice but wished I had saved and fought with takemura or panam or even johnny as I will do next playthrough
You can have a happy ending but only one happy ending for one person, not necessarily for 'v'
this ending made me realize just how much more I had to do and choosing life seemed more to be about giving up than continuing.
Dex makes the point, you want to die in obscurity live to a ripe old age and be a nobody,.. or do you want to shine and go out like a star going super nova. Only when we die of a ripe old age do we realize we wanted to go out supernova
on reflection I liked the ending as a choice but wished I had saved and fought with takemura or panam or even johnny as I will do next playthrough
Didn't play the "new" ending yet, it's not a path I would choose anyway. No chance I would side with Mayers/NSUA/Milietch and sadly Reed, and I'm fine sending So Mi to the moon. But I watched it and I have to say...
Misty look is amazing, she's so badass wearing Jackie's jacket!
And she smoke?! What a change!
Misty look is amazing, she's so badass wearing Jackie's jacket!
And she smoke?! What a change!
Sadly its a pretty shitty bone and yes I expected something like we got, just not as depressing. I just had a glimmer of hope one standalone ending might be CDPR giving an ending to contrast with the rest. Not every Cyberpunk universe ending is required to be bitter sweet.After the base game endings, Edgerunner (anime) ending, it was to be expected (at least I expected this kjind of ending^^).
Beside, the "bone" is that V will live
Not every "Cyberpunk unvivers" is required to be bitter sweet, sure. But Cyberpunk 2077 (and likely the next game, Orion) is not a random "cyberpunk universe", even less CDPR's IP with which they can do whatever they want.
Johnny resumed it quite well. Corpos always win, normal people always loose. And V, well... is a "normal people"
Beside, I expected something "worse". The dialogue with Misty was quite hopeful I think. I mean to quote V, he/she will do what he/she does best, starting over, even without chrome, maybe even become a fixer...
I've had a couple of weeks to sit with the new ending now. Still like where it almost wants to go, but I think it's forced pathos; hamfisted, illogical and seems to go out of its way to railroad and debase the character I spent 100+ hours playing.
This is then a closed loop with predictable outcomes, thus making any attempt at a story entirely pointless.Corpos always win, normal people always loose. And V, well... is a "normal people"
Compelling stories are about making changes, breaking the mould, characters overcoming adversary, or even just the basic concept of the "Heros Journey" (Luke Skywalker/Star Wars eps 4, 5 and 6 are perfect example of the latter story telling).
While an argument can be made by saying “its not the end that matters, it’s the journey” which certainly has merit, and CP77 leans into this and the characters you meet along the way. However, all endings are important, and imo, CP77 is weak in that area.
Yeah, for context some relevant quotes from Mike Pondsmith would be "These are not strories about saving the world, but saving yourself (if you can)" and "Cyberpunk is supposed to be a warning".Not every "Cyberpunk unvivers" is required to be bitter sweet, sure. But Cyberpunk 2077 (and likely the next game, Orion) is not a random "cyberpunk universe", even less CDPR's IP with which they can do whatever they want.
Johnny resumed it quite well. Corpos always win, normal people always loose. And V, well... is a "normal people"
Beside, I expected something "worse". The dialogue with Misty was quite hopeful I think. I mean to quote V, he/she will do what he/she does best, starting over, even without chrome, maybe even become a fixer...
There's something that didn't fit well with my V in new ending. Went with King of Pentacles route and there wasn't dialogue option about not caring about the Night City. My V turned like stranger to me, so while I later understood why it was railroaded that way, I can get why it doesn't sit well with everybody.
Then ending itself. I guess it really depends how different players perceive their V and there might be something else too.
Overall message I get is that world moves on, regardless of V. We get this this when chatting via NPC's and listening to radio in Delamain. Getting punched by some randoms in alley, is what life is for most people in Night City, something we may easily become to forget during our journey, when in process we became so powerful it's surreal, to beat surreal odds.
Perhaps it's just a bit too easy to get hung up with options presented. Follow Misty, take job at Langley, become a fixer as these have negative side. Misty instead of Panam (though if this were my "canon" V he might just in this situation follow his dick, Misty is kinda hot with new looks). Taking a job at Langley meaning working for Meyers, who is, as we learn in King of Pentacles route, particularly, frankly sick fuck. Becoming a fixer would mean staying in Night City and that's not every V. But then, becoming a face in the crowd, what it means really, it means lot's of options. Anyone who can become fixer would be valued in any intelligence or security agency, even perhaps doing something similar in public sector in Texas or somewhere, lot's of options with V's skillset and experience, regardless of lack of cyberware to start a new chapter. We don't have any cyberware and we don't die when we turn 26. Why should V?
When watching faces in the crowds segment I just couldn't help myself from thinking history of this game and all the discussions and in a fourth wall breaking way I thought, this is CDRP saying as gently as they can, that it's time to let go.
I'm glad an ending undercut that nonsense of the Nomad ending. It turns out, no, they're as flawed as everyone else.
The new ending isn't bad, depressing or sad because of how it ended. But because of how horribly CDPR framed the ending. The premise is good, the execution in terms of writing was horrible.
It's a happy ending for my V.
1) Got cured
2) Losing ability to use chrome isn't a big deal, I can hire a chromed up bodyguard
3) I can now retire living happily ever with my 10 million eurodollars
The ending could have shown me buying a beautiful apartment. Then roll credits as I float around in my swimming pool listening to Samurai and drinking wine, while reading a book. With a smile on my face.
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Instead...
1) CDPR shows me wanting to "call friends". What? I don't care. Why force this choice?
2) Shows V angry and disappointed. What? I'm happy as can be!
3) Force us to visit Vic. CDPR forcing our dumb V to not hire a body guard so she gets beaten up
4) Force us to walk into a crowd "fading into nothing" like wtf?
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I got everything I ever wanted from the new ending. It is the most happy, joyful ending possible. I'm cured, I'm rich, I'm free, I don't have a worry in the world. I'm buying a nice apartment with a swimming pool and enjoying retirement. Game should have shown me entering my retirement apartment. Smiling. Putting on some mad tunes. Grabbing a bottle of wine, and joyfully jumping into my swimming pool. Float over to the edge to grab a book.
Roll credits showing V with her happy ending. While floating around in the pool, chilling to music.
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How does CDPR frame this ending? V being a complete gonk. Twice. Getting beat up. Walking into the crowd like a bum nobody. The ending isn't bad at all. Cured, rich, happy. The ending is bad because the... [insert angry adjectives and opinions which would have me banned here] writers; friggin brute forced the framing of the ending in a needlessly depressive and hopeless way.
The ending is NOT BAD. The way CDPR FRAMED THE ENDING for V IS BAD. You guys can hate or love the ending, I for once loved the ending. Because I got cured, and now I'm floating around in my swimming pool listening to Samurai, drinking wine, and reading. With candles lit and stuff. It is how CDPR completely botched how the ending is FRAMED from their horribly manipulated lense and perspective which ruins it.
CDPR is more manipulative than Songbird in presenting the end worse than it is. I'm cured, free, and filthy rich. But CDPR wanted it to be depressing instead, so why not force V into an alley to be beaten up instead right?
Like ffs. I'm not hopeful here. But if a writer or dev at CDPR reads this criticism. Can you please explain what you were thinking here? Because I truly don't understand how you could botch this up so badly. You purposefully framed the ending as negatively as you could. For what? "Cuz in NC no one happy hurr durr"?
It's a happy ending for my V.
1) Got cured
2) Losing ability to use chrome isn't a big deal, I can hire a chromed up bodyguard
3) I can now retire living happily ever with my 10 million eurodollars
The ending could have shown me buying a beautiful apartment. Then roll credits as I float around in my swimming pool listening to Samurai and drinking wine, while reading a book. With a smile on my face.
---
Instead...
1) CDPR shows me wanting to "call friends". What? I don't care. Why force this choice?
2) Shows V angry and disappointed. What? I'm happy as can be!
3) Force us to visit Vic. CDPR forcing our dumb V to not hire a body guard so she gets beaten up
4) Force us to walk into a crowd "fading into nothing" like wtf?
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I got everything I ever wanted from the new ending. It is the most happy, joyful ending possible. I'm cured, I'm rich, I'm free, I don't have a worry in the world. I'm buying a nice apartment with a swimming pool and enjoying retirement. Game should have shown me entering my retirement apartment. Smiling. Putting on some mad tunes. Grabbing a bottle of wine, and joyfully jumping into my swimming pool. Float over to the edge to grab a book.
Roll credits showing V with her happy ending. While floating around in the pool, chilling to music.
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How does CDPR frame this ending? V being a complete gonk. Twice. Getting beat up. Walking into the crowd like a bum nobody. The ending isn't bad at all. Cured, rich, happy. The ending is bad because the... [insert angry adjectives and opinions which would have me banned here] writers; friggin brute forced the framing of the ending in a needlessly depressive and hopeless way.
The ending is NOT BAD. The way CDPR FRAMED THE ENDING for V IS BAD. You guys can hate or love the ending, I for once loved the ending. Because I got cured, and now I'm floating around in my swimming pool listening to Samurai, drinking wine, and reading. With candles lit and stuff. It is how CDPR completely botched how the ending is FRAMED from their horribly manipulated lense and perspective which ruins it.
CDPR is more manipulative than Songbird in presenting the end worse than it is. I'm cured, free, and filthy rich. But CDPR wanted it to be depressing instead, so why not force V into an alley to be beaten up instead right?
Like ffs. I'm not hopeful here. But if a writer or dev at CDPR reads this criticism. Can you please explain what you were thinking here? Because I truly don't understand how you could botch this up so badly. You purposefully framed the ending as negatively as you could. For what? "Cuz in NC no one happy hurr durr"?
CDPR had to adjust a character (V) to make the plot work, which is the weakest form of writing imo.
It happens a lot in TV and film where characters say, or do dumb things to enable the "story" to work.
It's not just limited to V either, look at their (supposed) friends and how they treat V afterwards.
Imagine your friend, who has a terminal illness yet still manages to helps you in your time of need, suddenly goes missing.. then turns up again cured of said illness.
Do you;
A) Get mad at them and/or cut them off.
B) Be shocked, but then remember how they helped you out and you are now relieved that they are healthy and you are obviously going to help them out when they need your help.
Good, logical writing would be option B...
"But it's NC, it's supposed to be dark/grim"
You can't have a dark story without some light.
So after one more time watching Edgerunners and crying couple days and destroying Smasher for revenge, i figured out about truly happy end for V and for Lucy and David.
If CDPR don't planning to do anything with it need at least come up with a sequel and a finale on own.
It could be starts at the end when V get back he's body after rushing Arasaka's tower.
He receives order from Mr. Blue Eyes that he's friend(Lucy) want to receive relic with construct and Smasher have info where it.
Finds out construct now in Crystal Palace, so V need to steal it and delivered to the moon station.
After this construct will be revived in new body which has prepared and V get cured.
So that's how I see this can happen in my head.
And in this situation everything will match in story end of where V becoming Legacy.
And V will live, and which more important David and Lucy will together.
In all others V is poor he has nothing.
All the houses not count bh the game itself, cause when you need go to sites from the house you can do it only from apartment in H10, which tells V poor.
All game by story goes around 2-3 weeks and it not possible in this timeline get everything.
If CDPR don't planning to do anything with it need at least come up with a sequel and a finale on own.
It could be starts at the end when V get back he's body after rushing Arasaka's tower.
He receives order from Mr. Blue Eyes that he's friend(Lucy) want to receive relic with construct and Smasher have info where it.
Finds out construct now in Crystal Palace, so V need to steal it and delivered to the moon station.
After this construct will be revived in new body which has prepared and V get cured.
So that's how I see this can happen in my head.
And in this situation everything will match in story end of where V becoming Legacy.
And V will live, and which more important David and Lucy will together.
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You not rich, you will reach only with end as Legacy.
In all others V is poor he has nothing.
All the houses not count bh the game itself, cause when you need go to sites from the house you can do it only from apartment in H10, which tells V poor.
All game by story goes around 2-3 weeks and it not possible in this timeline get everything.
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Then its just another pointless depressing Night City story then. V is just another punk who got screwed in Night City. He/she is no different to anyone else. I may as well played Jackie Wells, the hobo on the corner or the pro standing next to him. No thanks. I'll go back to Witcher.Not every "Cyberpunk unvivers" is required to be bitter sweet, sure. But Cyberpunk 2077 (and likely the next game, Orion) is not a random "cyberpunk universe", even less CDPR's IP with which they can do whatever they want.
Johnny resumed it quite well. Corpos always win, normal people always loose. And V, well... is a "normal people"
Beside, I expected something "worse". The dialogue with Misty was quite hopeful I think. I mean to quote V, he/she will do what he/she does best, starting over, even without chrome, maybe even become a fixer...
I think the ending is actually a really hopeful one for V, he's got his life back. he has a cushy job offer, long years ahead of him, and yeah he lost some friends but he'd only known them for like a month.
I just feel that the way theyve written it is like a middle finger to the player more than anything. it makes logical sense that people would move on after two years after knowing V for like a month, But ive spent hundreds of hours playing cyberpunk across multiple playthroughs and we as players get attached to characters ,CDPR knows that, so i feel like those of us who were dissatisfied with that ending are justified in feeling that.
CDPR have basically just said "see all those characters you deeply care for? BOOYAH!". They should've known better.
not only that though, but from a non emotional standpoint you could argue the writing is pretty poor too, the fact that your final interactions with your friends was a couple texts was a huge letdown, as was V being so vague. I know Reed wanted secrecy, but that argument doesnt really hold up considering you get to blab about being a secret agent and saving the president to 4 different people. heck, giving them a way to know if things went wrong is pretty logical considering he's undergoing major brain surgery. Reeds orders be damned, give them all his or Alex's number, she seemed chill. So at the very least the aldecaldos shouldnt have turned their backs on V, which even in the ending we get i thought was really out of character for how theyre portrayed. I think CDPR even knew that but were so intent on cutting All of V's ties to his past that they just had panam not answer the phone. as a cop out.
All that to say CDPR basically removed player agency, where its usually known for giving you all the options down to the most minor details.
I just feel that the way theyve written it is like a middle finger to the player more than anything. it makes logical sense that people would move on after two years after knowing V for like a month, But ive spent hundreds of hours playing cyberpunk across multiple playthroughs and we as players get attached to characters ,CDPR knows that, so i feel like those of us who were dissatisfied with that ending are justified in feeling that.
CDPR have basically just said "see all those characters you deeply care for? BOOYAH!". They should've known better.
not only that though, but from a non emotional standpoint you could argue the writing is pretty poor too, the fact that your final interactions with your friends was a couple texts was a huge letdown, as was V being so vague. I know Reed wanted secrecy, but that argument doesnt really hold up considering you get to blab about being a secret agent and saving the president to 4 different people. heck, giving them a way to know if things went wrong is pretty logical considering he's undergoing major brain surgery. Reeds orders be damned, give them all his or Alex's number, she seemed chill. So at the very least the aldecaldos shouldnt have turned their backs on V, which even in the ending we get i thought was really out of character for how theyre portrayed. I think CDPR even knew that but were so intent on cutting All of V's ties to his past that they just had panam not answer the phone. as a cop out.
All that to say CDPR basically removed player agency, where its usually known for giving you all the options down to the most minor details.
This is literally the dumbest take ever, the ending gives you a completely new beginning away from the past and the legend V used to be, yes it's not the sweet ending but if you are so dramatic about it then you really don't understand what Cyberpunk is all about.
On one hand, I think the person you're reacting to is being a little overly upset. HOWEVER, I disagree with the whole 'if you're mad that means you don't understand the genre' retort everyone seems too happy to spew. We understand that Cyberpunk is dark and dreary...HOWEVER, not all cyberpunk stories are....also, to make an ending that continuously punches you in the face just because is shitty. They didn't have to go so hard with the trope. They really didn't. Also, tropes are meant to be deviated from from time to time. Could have had V lose cyberware and their money, but still have their lover and friends be there for them to pick them up off the floor....the only silver lining in this ending is that out of all the love interests, they threw Kerry a bone for once and had him stay.
The ending has a nice premise, until you look further down the line, where the Aldecaldos have to watch you deteriorate, probably see to your every need for a while, and then ultimately deal with you changing into a completely different person.You can see it in another, at least I do. No matter what Panam think, there is no cure (kinda obvious to me^^). But V will live the remaining 6 months with a familly, with people she love and who loves her back
Why burden them with that?
Ok, so let's imagine. I say "imagine" because obviously, I wish the best for you and wish such things which never happen to you, but let's imagine :
You learn that you are very sick, that you will slowly die until 6 months and there is no cure. Sad and inevitable...
So now, what would you think your loved ones would prefer ?
(dade, mom, wife, husband, brother, sister, kids, friends, whatever,...)
> You running away from them to not burden them?
> You staying with them, so they can take good care of you and enjoy the last moments with you, until the inevitable, you passing away?
For me and I bet, for most people, it would be the second option
If you didn't watch it, there is a good movie (for me) about that, a life in a year.
Are they your loved ones though? You did a few jobs for the Aldecaldo's, enough to get you invited to their pack. You've just started a relationship with one of them, so fresh you only slept together once. That's enough to burden 6 months of care and the possible release of a terrorist psychopath onto them? Hmm..
As Dex asks at the very start, Quiet Life, or Blaze of Glory? It's up to you how you want to finish the game, both options are available. I like the quiet life ending for some characters, for others I like the blaze of glory. Don't blame the developers for your choices.
Admittedly, we didn't know the outcome until we took it, but that's the same as every option.
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