[NSFW maybe] Sex scenes: Why can't they be more realistic / raw?

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The reason why no sane developer let's you kill children in rpg's is because of the severe Backlash/Consequenses implementing that into a game would have. There's no way a game like that would make it through a rating review/assessment. Not to even begin to talk about how much this would blow up all over most News Outlets. The act of killing children in general is commonly viewed as Repugnant ...

Minus those would not be children, but pixel mass which aren't alive to begins with.
That's why I gave that example: because some people applies down to earth reasoning to imaginary creations.
That's where the disagreement begins.
 
The reason why no sane developer let's you kill children in rpg's is because of the severe Backlash/Consequenses implementing that into a game would have. There's no way a game like that would make it through a rating review/assessment. Not to even begin to talk about how much this would blow up all over most News Outlets. The act of killing children in general is commonly viewed as Repugnant ...
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Well... Would you watch porn with your parents ?

Those kind of topics/questions are actually showing something wrong with people, not to attack anyone, but... Do you really expect porn? Why should it matter ? Can't a romance option can be good without seeing penetration and facial cumshot?

Videogames are what they are, even Cyberpunk will ends up in children's hands, do you really want them to watch such things?

Video games are toys...

Since it's agreed by the vast majority that the title is simply a business choice, let us take this discussion a bit further.

(1) I would never watch porn with my parents, primarily because I regard it as highly humiliating to watch with others, and I have no desire to disrespect my parents. I would not mind discussing porn with them, tho.

(2) Of course there is something wrong with people, which I'm one of. Life is a constant process of struggling in search of answers, knowing that one is extremely flawed. That's why we ask questions. To find answers, knowing that others might judge us for not appearing knowledgeable.

(3) A virtual romance can be good without the provocative details. It just wouldn't be as diverse. Since you mentioned it, let me offer on the side that non-reproductive, genital stimulating behavior like or@l sex is also practiced by other primates as a psychological strategy to prevent cheating.

Cyberpunk is a world where the trust between people is extremely low, and diverse sex positions matter as they would be effective in demonstrating the intriguing un/balance and emotional struggles between certain couples. I personally don't see how anyone could implement the points above with just implied sex scenes. But hey, this is CDPR we're talking about, maybe they've already found a way as we debate. And of course, there are always emotionally balanced relationships, and m!ss!0n@ry and cuddling do suffice in those cases.

Sex is not just about satisfying baser needs, it's also about affirming emotional connections. This is why YouTube channels like Psych2Go once pushed for "healthy, moderate porns as therapies". The rules here forbid advertising, so I'll just stop here.

(4) I don't have a child, but if I did, I would pick to let a porn to end up in his/her hands than a media that shows people ripping others head off/intestines out/blood spilling. While both could be argued as being realistic and educational if done right, the former is a depiction of an important activity that s/he will eventually participate (in less extreme form) if his/her social life is moderately successful; the latter is simply a demonstration of a criminal activity, and not as helpful as an educational material.
 

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The reason why no sane developer let's you kill children in rpg's is because of the severe Backlash/Consequenses implementing that into a game would have. There's no way a game like that would make it through a rating review/assessment. Not to even begin to talk about how much this would blow up all over most News Outlets. The act of killing children in general is commonly viewed as Repugnant ...

The only game I recall it tried (on preview) to be full bad and kill kids was Fable (at that time still called Project Ego). It was bashed by the journos right away, and when Molineux got his hands on it (Fable wasn't his creation but bought by him later on to be finished and then called Fable) he immediatly removed such feature. Back then Internet didn't have the traction it has today and mostly went dark in few weeks. Of course people complained at launch, but in this case it was something that had to be removed at all costs (in my opinion). Sex in videogames isn't necessary unless you put it with an artistic taste that doesn't make you feel weird, and only after it has some gameplay reason and impact to be beyond the little "jerking off" moment. Again I'd focus on gameplay elements, AI, and other things before even considering sex to be put in a videogame, that are much more important things to the quality of the product, but hey, some boobs make you sell that little more..
 
It's not just about the graphics but also about the representation thereof. It's one thing to make a movie about child cruelty, it's a whole other thing to (unwillingly) participate in it (virtually, in games).

This would still be pixel mass cruelty, not child cruelty.
My point is people mix up imaginary things with their real counterpart to the point of trying to protect imaginary things, and perhaps it's because of my asperger but it totally seems like one of those neurotypical way of thinking I don't even try to understand anymore.
 
Oh yes, the evil theme of sex in video games, but the extreme violence, drugs etc. are of course not a problem.
I hate this double moral.
Better to have that double standard then to have to face severe financial consequences and would ruin the reputation of a business tbh. If you want games that show penetration go play something else then. That trash game called Agony that came out (A year ago i believe?) has that in spades on pc. It's also extremely buggy from what i've heard.
 
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This would still be pixel mass cruelty, not child cruelty.
My point is people mix up imaginary things with their real counterpart to the point of trying to protect imaginary things, and perhaps it's because of my asperger but it totally seems like one of those neurotypical way of thinking I don't even try to understand anymore.

People don't mix them up, they know it's fake. They simply find it distasteful. And quite often it adds nothing to the game. In CP2077, adding the ability to kill children doesn't add new gameplay or alter anything of importance. It just lets you also kill kids if you want. Especially in the non-gaming community, some who still believe video games encourage people to go on shooting rampages, a game where you could kill children would get a lot of unwanted attention. And probably banned from stores or even whole countries.

An interesting note is that this is only the visual aspect of killing children receives this treatment. Crusader Kings 2 basically encourages you to kill a child if it can help you. But in CK2, you simply get a little text box saying the child died. The act isn't visually seen.
 
People don't mix them up, they know it's fake. They simply find it distasteful. And quite often it adds nothing to the game. In CP2077, adding the ability to kill children doesn't add new gameplay or alter anything of importance. It just lets you also kill kids if you want.

Actually same could be said about any non-combattant NPC, yet they are not under the same censorship.
And what it adds is the same things as any optional interaction: letting a player choice affecting it's surrounding.
And sometimes, it's really again immersion when said children are annoying as hell (think Fallout 3).

Especially in the non-gaming community, some who still believe video games encourage people to go on shooting rampages, a game where you could kill children would get a lot of unwanted attention. And probably banned from stores or even whole countries.

That part I totally agree.
I was speaking only about the illogical need of protection of imaginary things itself, not about real life consequences caused by peoples who have such illogical needs.
 
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Well... Would you watch porn with your parents ?
That's what it would look like if you'd play such game on your tv in the living room.

Videogames are what they are, even Cyberpunk will ends up in children's hands, do you really want them to watch such things?

It's not to ridicule or attacking anyone, but, seriously, think about it for a second.
Video games are toys...

Not having a go at you here but I've never understood this view towards games.

Not everyone plays on the family TV. Not everyone lives with kids or parents. Given the age rating of some games (18+), I'm not sure why people need be concerned with what you're suggesting?

Video games are not always 'toys' anymore than all movies are 'Disney'.

If we're going to use the reasoning that 'children will get their hands on it' then there's a lot of video game content that shouldn't be released and we'd be consigning games to never having the same freedom as other forms of media/entertainment. Why would we do that?

I know it's not literally XXX but I doubt people necessarily want to get into a car with a hooker in GTAIV or V while elders/minors are in the room either but so what? Devs thought it was fun in some way and a percentage of players obviously did too, regardless of what you mentioned above.

Films don't have to stick to the 'would you be happy to watch it with your parents' rule so why should games? It doesn't even have to be XXX to make people uncomfortable anyway. I wouldn't particularly want to watch 9 1/2 Weeks, Serbian Story, Sliver, Human Centipede or Evil Dead with my mum either.

I don't need hardcore in CP2077 and I understand that it would damage sales but, in theory, there's no reason to specifically target games as not being allowed or not having a reason to contain such material, in the same way as the adult version of Nymphomaniac for example.
 
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That part I totally agree.
I was speaking only about the illogical need of protection of imaginary things itself, not about real life consequences caused by peoples who have such illogical needs.

If you're saying logic takes a back seat to other considerations here then, yeah, it does. It's not the only place where you'll find this is true in civilization either. Be that as it may it's the world we live in.

Honestly, I don't care much either way on the matter. Odds are any intended effect from sexual encounters in the game can be achieved without making those encounters extremely vivid. If CDPR made them extremely detailed and I had an issue with it (I don't, btw) the problem could easily be resolved via allowing the player (me) to skip it.

The funny thing is I could easily see the earlier provided GTA V footage getting classified as AO. I'd even go so far and say it could be classified as porn. The irony is you don't really see any of the relevant body parts directly there. The intent is the more important factor, IMO.

But again, my opinion on the matter doesn't really make a difference. CDPR makes the game. CDPR wants to maximize profits (may be able to stretch this to must, really, as game development is supposedly quite volatile/risky). Tailoring the game play to do that is necessary.
 
Better to have that double standard then to have to face severe financial consequences and would ruin the reputation of a business tbh. If you want games that show penetration go play something else then. That trash game called Agony that came out (A year ago i believe?) has that in spades on pc. It's also extremely buggy from what i've heard.


With my comment I didn't mean CDPR.
 
In other series like Warcraft or Star Wars, I'd agree with you. But here in Cyberpunk, it is not superfluous, but rather a manifestation of what most members in the socio-economic hierarchy cannot have in their life --- being appreciated as a human.

In a world where technology has advanced so that any part of your body can be modified and evaluated as commodities, the connection between people not needed because an individual can sustain him/herself within the system by having enough wealth to maintain the technology to live the minimum welfare controlled by mega-corps. People become extremely expendable, nations become irrelevant because they are just tools that mega-corps use to enforce laws which do not protect people but rather just those who stay on the top of the pyramid, built on the misery of those pushed to the bottom by exploitation (you can call it 'injustice' but it really is just an inevitable result of post-capitalism driven by a technology-over-morals system).

The feeling of caring is even over-supplied in its physical, emotionless form. Joygirls/ Joyboys are so cheap in Cyperpunk you can order someone using vendor machines. Just like a can of soda. Think about it. You can use someone's body as if s/he's just a can of soda. That's how worthless most people have become in that dark future!

Recall from the Wiki that Cyberpsychosis can be cured through socializing and having sex, aside from therapeutic Braindances (BD). The opposite of not meeting one's baser needs and maintaining emotional / physical connections with another is the eventual fall into suicidal madness. Because if you are not appreciated as a human, what's the difference between you and a screwdriver?

This is also why sexual activity BDs sell. Because the reality is that most societal members are so worthless to each other they will never have that affirmation of being cared about. Its existence is not "oh look in the future we have VR porns!" but rather "oh look people would pay this much just to have the illusion that they are appreciated at all!"

So what is the solution? How would you even know that you are worth anything, to yourself, to the people you know, and to the world actively treating you like a screwdriver?

The answer is the activity that involves another person laying down with you, not because s/he has a deal with you, but because s/he wants to. Both of you, body parts replaceable, just like machines. But each of you agree that, while you're far from perfect, you are important enough to each other that, you willingly let your parts come together, even just briefly, to consummate your emotions. To affirm that you are part of something bigger. Maybe you're part of each other. Maybe together as one you will have a chance against the irreversibly miserable world you're both doomed to live in.

I guess we'll call that activity sex.
I like your points and philosophy behind the question that usually goes along well with the dystopian setting that is Cyberpunk: What is it that makes us human?
I'd say sex also is just a part of the setting in general. How bodies are exploited both by ourselves and the mega corporations. Like above statement it's so simple there to order a sex worker from a vending machine like an object to sate your vice rather than anything more meaningful.

I'm personally more interested in the implications of pursuing more than one romance at a time. What consequences it has, is it possible to engage in more than one relationship, can we cheat, are we cheated upon?
 
I'm personally more interested in the implications of pursuing more than one romance at a time. What consequences it has, is it possible to engage in more than one relationship, can we cheat, are we cheated upon?
now cheating...that'd put CP2077 in sparse company to have cheating within the romance mechanic. lovers quarrels?

you thought your partner looking through your phone while you were asleep was bad? welp, now they're a netrunner named Placide :love::censored:
 
I will second, and guarantee, that as long as modding is possible (even without the tools, someone will find a way), there will absolutely be adult mods in the future. There is a huge community for this sort of thing. I wouldn't be particularly "worried" about the prospect that it won't be as "interactive" as you want it to be.
 
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