Can you post an example of graphics they are supposed to match and describe the perceived difference?
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CDPR have been talking with proud and humble about heir own creation.
The hype is only generated for those who want to be hyped.
In the whole 200 pages i've not see any proof of this downgrade, only screenshots taking from who knows wich kind of PC or console. Speculations based on own taste without having the real material in our hands. Nothing thn other sceenshot for contrasting a fear and a doubt with no real dates 'cause CDPR have never specify the whole hardward used on.
Now, 6-4 months about the game is finished it would be more reasonable to do all these claims after May, the 19th. Till then you are talking about speculations, possibilities and fears.
The hype is only generated for those who want to be hyped.
In the whole 200 pages i've not see any proof of this downgrade, only screenshots taking from who knows wich kind of PC or console. Speculations based on own taste without having the real material in our hands. Nothing thn other sceenshot for contrasting a fear and a doubt with no real dates 'cause CDPR have never specify the whole hardward used on.
Now, 6-4 months about the game is finished it would be more reasonable to do all these claims after May, the 19th. Till then you are talking about speculations, possibilities and fears.
The problem is that people are simply not paying attention. They willfully ignore the mistakes and glitches in the past material because someone somewhere shouted DOWNGRADE few months ago and if someone said that, it simply has to be true right? DOWNGRADE must've happened. Even though no one is actually capable of pointing out what has been downgraded and when he/she does, the comparsion is insane (like saying that anything in 2013 E3 trailer looks better than anything that came after it).
It's paranoia, poor critical thinking and poor reasoning, as we have seen above.
Nothing wrong with speculations and negative opinions. Stating them however as a 'fact' and pointing to a screenshot as a proof (without knowledge about what settings were used) is unfair and leading to false assumptions.
No the problem is that this imaginary downgrade has been dismissed by the latest video, and didn't have a lot of weight to it in the first place. Just because some people saw a bit of beta gameplay, and couldn't comprehend the concept of a work in progress.
They're certainly not above criticism, and I have my own. I don't think anyone here honestly believes they're perfect. The thing is, this thread in particular has created many toxic posts. The feeling I frequently get when entering it isn't one of constructive criticism, but more along the lines of gloating and rancor. Going over the last several pages, it almost feels like some cyber war. A number of people have been pushing the downgrade claim with an almost religious fervor, I don't get it. The intensity of this thread and aggressiveness in some posts frequently made me forget that I'm browsing this site mostly to share enthusiasm with other people about an entertainment product (I didn't get that venomous vibe from your posts, I want to add).
Now about the downgrade itself.
Bits of the 2013 material look better, bits of it look worse. There were explanations given for either case. My personal opinion is that in the famous Village GIF, the main thing that makes it look so amazing is the amount of life in the shot, the petals in the wind and the density of the grass. But when you view the textures, there's no difference. Geralt's hair is bad, and the horizon is terrible. In the other Swamp shot, the main difference is the water, and that's about it (weather can't be accounted for, because we haven't seen similar conditions to compare it with). The only thing which I doubt that will be recreated at this point is the panorama image Blady posted.
The only way to prove that there is a downgrade is to replicate the moments from the actual gameplay material - meaning either the griffin hunt, or the 35 min - and show that they're not of the same quality. No one can do that until the game is out. I don't see how this is dishonest marketing, either. That's just too much. These sort of sentences just make me suspect we're forcefully searching for some sensational headline. The vast majority of the material the public has received has been of the allegedly downgraded quality. The griffin hunt, the 35min, Elder Blood, and now this. Come Monday, another 15 minutes - which I believe will be of the same quality of the 35 min. An hour of material.
Let's just say, only to pass my point, that the 2013 material is objectively better. How do 2-3 minutes, years before the moment you need to finally pay for the game (pre-orders can be cancelled), compared to an hour of material that was published closer to release, constitute as dishonest marketing? I believe that in DS2 and Watch_Dogs, the downgrade was found out only once players actually got their hands on the game. That's dishonest marketing (and apologies to the companies if I got my facts wrong, but the point is what matters). And the footage was compared then with 10 minutes, give or take, of actual gameplay. As in, someone playing the game, not tiny 2 second shots that were compiled together for a minute and a half, most of which weren't of actual player-controlled, natural material. And, again, still it doesn't always look better, if at all.
As for what you say about the hype - I obviously don't have any study to prove this, but my hunch is that the excitement for the game and my general impression from different sites (as 'scientific' as that is) peaked in the recent half year. That is to say, post E3 2014 material, the allegedly downgraded one.
Edit: I wanted to add something else, addressed to people who are still expecting to see "ultra PC graphics", under the assumption that we haven't, or that the material has been console. I'm no Dev, and not tech savvy like some, but my gut tells me to lower expectations. I know that it's been mentioned that not all effects have been turned on, but still, even with them I don't anticipate the game looking significantly better. At this point, I'm perfectly content with having maxed out graphics on par with the 35 min.
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I guess those who have said that they have cancelled they pre-order werenot making any speculation but assertion. As @mcgregg has posted, givnig opinions pro and against is good. Making assertions with any real proof and any date to contrast with is not very smart.
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I know what they want, this
opo:Besides these kids don't have good taste to admire a good work. I mean they look but don't see, they don't see a great art design, level design, character design... I know games that run on a Wii U that are more beautiful than the latest dx11 games. All this talk about downgrade is so sad.
I see ZERO Downgrade!!!
If anything, it looks even better than the 35min demo to me.
Not to mention we are all watching this footage at a shitty so called 720p on youtube.
Believe you me, it does no real justice for the graphics of this game.
It's going to look way more amazing at home, I can't wait to play it and show it off to family and friends!
If anything, it looks even better than the 35min demo to me.
Not to mention we are all watching this footage at a shitty so called 720p on youtube.
Believe you me, it does no real justice for the graphics of this game.
It's going to look way more amazing at home, I can't wait to play it and show it off to family and friends!
I guess people keep forgetting that both of the witcher games released so far weren't looking anyway near what they looked at launch. CDPR has confirmed this in some interviews about the first The Witcher and we know this from the 'leaked' yet still viewable on YT TW2 alpha gameplay video.
I know locking threads isn't something the mods here do easily, which is good. But can we at least pause this thread till we are closer to release or even are playing the game? If you ask why and are saying that speculation is good, I have to say yes it is good to have speculation and especially a discussion about this topic. But we have had this for over 200 pages now and I feel this thread isn't running in a circle, but in a spiral with just new 'proof' everytime CDPR releases something TW3 related.
I know locking threads isn't something the mods here do easily, which is good. But can we at least pause this thread till we are closer to release or even are playing the game? If you ask why and are saying that speculation is good, I have to say yes it is good to have speculation and especially a discussion about this topic. But we have had this for over 200 pages now and I feel this thread isn't running in a circle, but in a spiral with just new 'proof' everytime CDPR releases something TW3 related.
Because there isn't any....
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And I will write it just one time. If anyone after my post will say something like "This game is downgraded" and their olny reason will be "because I think so, change it." without giving details, I really advise this people to:
1.Don't buy Witcher 3... it's clearly not for you.
2.Leave this forum because you are ruining days and nerves of people which really care about this series/game/company.
3.Grow up and realise your opinion isn't the most important thing on this world.
That's all I will say on this topic and now I please for less bitching around and more constructive criticism.
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I can see where people are coming from. We haven't seen too much in the way of smoke or weather effects since those trailers and haven't seen many of the dense foliage areas either.
The recent gifs where fairly empty areas. Not very helpful in deducing the games state.
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and that's just from a tech layman
shitty textures, no fur physics, barely any particle physics, too much sharpening (old renderer), bad lighting, shitty color filter
barren wasteland with no assets, no fur tech, bad textures, wonky animations, too much sharpening (old renderer), bad lighting, shitty color filter
again bad textures in places, wonky shadows
laughably bad tree texture, LOS problems, scene is nicely cherrypicked - if you expect aurora to overwhelm your senses and overlay the glitches, then your expectations are a little bit too high
textures, hair tech, LOS again, water looks like it is half frozen, scene is again cherrypicked with perfect lighting covering the fuck ups
LOS, no hair tech, janky shadows, textures
shadow pop-in, LOS and no snow tracks
It doesn't take many minutes to put a game to some lists like most anticipated games of E3 for example. Those clips will be played again and again by different gaming sites. And things like the "famous village gif" will be posted around the internet. So even if the graphics are lowered afterwards, it will have already paid off..
That is to be expected because the release date is getting closer.
The hostile tone in this thread is pretty annoying.
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