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delnac.723

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#2,521
Jan 27, 2015
The beef I have with Nvida is that while looking cool, their effects are frequently extremely costly and not worth it. They often are selling points for cards and powerpoint presentations. The only effect that ever was really well and efficiently done was the snow in Arkham Origins. The rest of the time, my opinion is that those effects are never streamlined and integrated well enough inside the game to be efficient. And they are not replacements for higher asset fidelity, draw distances and effect quality from the game itself :).
 
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Vigilance.492

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#2,522
Jan 27, 2015
bombeyboxx said:
RLY CDPR? What is this?
Why not like this for PC?
Why u do this to us?
From this - to this
Why this game looks at least 2 times worst than Debut gameplay trailer 2013 and VGX trailer 2013 (in VGX you said, that its in-game footage) You lied to us all this time? Where is this graphics?
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And here is the occasional drive-by hyperbole. I must say sometimes it's worth it just for a good laugh.
 
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Kretek

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#2,523
Jan 27, 2015
bombeyboxx said:
RLY CDPR? What is this?
Why not like this for PC?
Why u do this to us?
From this - to this
Why this game looks at least 2 times worst than Debut gameplay trailer 2013 and VGX trailer 2013 (in VGX you said, that its in-game footage) You lied to us all this time? Where is this graphics?
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Im fucking crying right now. Seriously I have tears in my eyes. What the fuck is happening? They are saying that creating different assets and renderer for PC would be to costly, but they obviously had it in those trailers. Am I still dreaming? Is it some kind of nightmare? Am I in hell?

Just little edit. Actually first picture look better then second one. Just saying.
 

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Mishikedman

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#2,524
Jan 27, 2015
panaceum said:
Originally Posted by Delnac
This is what we want, not ubersampling or nvidia bullshit.
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By nvidia bullshit he means unoptimized pile of bad coding that gives to little for what it needs to run.

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I wish Evil Chris will comment on this thread, do your pr work! Tell us more for plowing sake :(
 
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TouPoutsou

Senior user
#2,525
Jan 27, 2015
You can interpret the interview as you like. For me it's PR talk for "visual parity between consoles and PC rigs that meet the mimum requirements". On TW2 the 360 version looked about as PC on medium, definetely not high. Anyway i really do not beleive that this is the case, but if in fact there is actual visual parity between platforms with very minor details looking better on PC, then we are definetely talking about a downgrade, and a CDprojekt sell out. Not because graphics are THAT important, but because:
1) CDprojekt presented themselves as proud PC gamers/developers, that with our help managed to sell over 1.5million units on a so called dead platform
2) They are restricting their artictist/visual masterpiece for PR reasons

But i really do not think this will be the case.
 
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Mishikedman

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#2,526
Jan 27, 2015
TouPoutsou said:
1) CDprojekt presented themselves as proud PC gamers/developers, that with our help managed to sell over 1.5million units on a so called dead platform
2) They are restricting their artictist/visual masterpiece for PR reasons.
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My thoughts exactly and for that we need to make them hear us. Do your pr work and give us information!
 
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djmedvedd

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#2,527
Jan 27, 2015
panaceum said:
Im fucking crying right now. Seriously I have tears in my eyes. What the fuck is happening? They are saying that creating different assets and renderer for PC would be to costly, but they obviously had it in those trailers. Am I still dreaming? Is it some kind of nightmare? Am I in hell?

Just little edit. Actually first picture look better then second one. Just saying.
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You mean too much bloom? I think it's just bacause this Picture-in-motion. Trees and their shadows definitely looks better in the second one :)
 
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glesson.685

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#2,528
Jan 27, 2015
Found this on another forum which summarizes some of the things discussed from the recent interview in polish:

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Mishikedman

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#2,529
Jan 27, 2015
glesson said:
Found this on another forum which summarizes some of the things discussed from the recent interview in polish:

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After 253 pages we can hope to expect to have some kind of response from pr, or do we ? :hmm:
 
ReptilePZ

ReptilePZ

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#2,530
Jan 27, 2015
REDs have already responded to this thread.
 
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Mishikedman

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#2,531
Jan 27, 2015
ReptilePZ said:
REDs have already responded to this thread.
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And have they tell us something new on the meter?
 
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Vigilance.492

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#2,532
Jan 27, 2015
Mishikedman said:
After 253 pages we can hope to expect to have some kind of response from pr, or do we ? :hmm:
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http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/32644-Obvious-Downgrade?p=1478439&viewfull=1#post1478439

Not to mention there was another comment by Marcin in a thread regarding the 35 minute Demo where he also stated, "There will be no downgrade".

It's up to you whether you believe PR or not, but expecting them to make more of the statement then what they've made is absurd. Of course they are going to claim there's no visual downgrade, that's what PR does, you aren't going to get any more out of CDPR and you'll just have to wait and see what the game looks like when either A. We finally see footage that CDPR specifically states is running at Ultra with every setting on, or B. You see the game at Max settings on May 19th.
 
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JackalJ

Senior user
#2,533
Jan 27, 2015
bombeyboxx said:
RLY CDPR? What is this?
Why not like this for PC?
Why u do this to us?
From this - to this
Why this game looks at least 2 times worst than Debut gameplay trailer 2013 and VGX trailer 2013 (in VGX you said, that its in-game footage) You lied to us all this time? Where is this graphics?
Click to expand...
We are back to this again? Might just lock and delete this thread and start a new thread with this post, and we will have the exact same thread all over again. Or you could reread the 250 pages and find what the devs and other members have been saying. Like I said af few (quite a few at this point) pages back. This thread isn't going in circles but in a spiral, new people bringing up old arguments.
 
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djmedvedd

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#2,534
Jan 27, 2015
jackalj said:
We are back to this again? Might just lock and delete this thread and start a new thread with this post, and we will have the exact same thread all over again. Or you could reread the 250 pages and find what the devs and other members have been saying. Like I said af few (quite a few at this point) pages back. This thread isn't going in circles but in a spiral, new people bringing up old arguments.
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So what? What exactly RED's answered? You mean about Elder's blood trailer? Well, even after re-uploading - it's still looks like shit. Much worse than even Sword of Destiny trailer.
And i want correct answer, why this game isn't look like E3 2013 trailers? Where is that old perfect looking build?
Where is Nvidia effects (in E3 2013 debut gameplay, Nvidia effects (like Hairworks and Physx) - present in place.
 
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Sneky

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#2,535
Jan 27, 2015
Adam Badowski in polish interview about this downgrade think, my english is pretty bad so u need google translate, or maybe @gregski help or someone? He is also talking about elder blood trailer.

Czy obserwowałeś komentarze pod zwiastunem Wiedźmina 3 z VGA, pod którym część komentujących narzekało na pogorszenie jakości grafiki względem pierwszych materiałów?

Tak, oczywiście...

Nie boisz się, że po premierze powtórzy się casus Watch_Dogs, kiedy to był porównywany pierwszy zwiastun z aktualną wersją gry?

Jeżeli ktoś będzie ten trailer oglądał, zobaczy, że modele postaci w grze wyglądają lepiej, nawet Geralt, on jest doskonalszy – ma na przykład lepsze shadery. Dorobiliśmy masę szczegółów, znacznie poprawiliśmy mimikę i synchronizację ruchów ust z wypowiadanymi kwestiami. Mamy dubbing w siedmiu językach, więc nie jesteśmy w stanie nagrać zmian na twarzy aktora technologią performance capture, jak np. w Call of Duty. Nie zmieściłoby się to na trzech Blu-rayach. Zastosowaliśmy więc system dynamiczny bazujący na głoskach, podobnie jak w części pierwszej i drugiej, gdzie wypadł słabo. W Wiedźmine 3 jest to nieporównywalnie lepiej wykonane, podnieśliśmy poprzeczkę dla całego przemysłu w porównaniu z grami, które muszą korzystać z tego systemu (m.in. gry BioWare – przyp. red.) i tego też nie było widać w tym trailerze.

Natomiast sprawą subiektywną pozostaje jakość oświetlenia i doświetlenie tego zwiastuna. Popełniliśmy błąd polegający na tym, że część ujęć była wyrenderowana w barwach ciemnych i szaroburych. Po prostu taka opcja została wylosowana przez silnik. Myślę, że znajdą się miejsca, które będą wyglądać oszałamiająco dobrze i nikt nam nie zarzuci, że różnią się one od tych z pierwszego trailera. Niestety będą też fragmenty, gdzie gra będzie wyglądała gorzej. Tak też jest w GTA – jak przyjdzie szkwał i jest szaro, szczególnie w lesie, grafika wyda się z pewnością gorsza od tej z żyjącego miasta rozświetlonego neonami.
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in brief: some locations will look like best looking trailers / some not depends on many things: location, weather, time of day
 
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sn00p.156

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#2,536
Jan 27, 2015
You are talking about this interview http://www.gry-online.pl/S018.asp?ID=1132

TL;DR Game looks the same on all platforms, screw PC.

 
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delnac.723

Forum regular
#2,537
Jan 27, 2015
TouPoutsou said:
1) CDprojekt presented themselves as proud PC gamers/developers, that with our help managed to sell over 1.5million units on a so called dead platform
2) They are restricting their artictist/visual masterpiece for PR reasons
But i really do not think this will be the case.
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This about sums up my position with a lot less words :).

I sincerely love what CDProjekt has done as a publisher and a developer. I have the best of faith in them and they deserve a LOT of credit for what they did. Seriously, remember what PC gaming was back in 2011.

But the differences in rendering are painfully obvious. There might be no downgrade, but confirming that these techniques are behind the Ultra setting would make these concerns fade away in a torrent of red-hot fanboy glee. Because as of now, based on those screenshots, there sure as hell looks like there is no subsurface scattering of the skin. Fog/Lighting is way harder to judge based on gamma, fov and time of day differences.
 
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Vigilance.492

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#2,538
Jan 27, 2015
sn00p said:
TL;DR Game looks the same on all platforms, screw PC.
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Again, I think it's a bad translation, or Badowski just generalizing his statement/s.

There are other articles where it's explicitly stated that not only did the PC version at the previews look better than both X1/PS4, but there's still that Ultra setting that nobody has yet seen because it was disabled due to unoptimized effects.
 
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domidawi

Forum veteran
#2,539
Jan 27, 2015
sn00p said:
You are talking about this interview http://www.gry-online.pl/S018.asp?ID=1132

TL;DR Game looks the same on all platforms, screw PC.

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God damn it. I pressed the wrong button. Anyway. Nowhere in that article does he state the game is the exact same. He just said the same version is running on consoles as on PC cuz it would take a lot of time to make specific versions. That means consoles are running same game with diffrent settings.
 
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MkTama

Rookie
#2,540
Jan 27, 2015
domidawi said:
God damn it. I pressed the wrong button. Anyway. Nowhere in that article does he state the game is the exact same. He just said the same version is running on consoles as on PC cuz it would take a lot of time to make specific versions. That means consoles are running same game with diffrent settings.
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EXACTLY. Basically he told nothing new..
 
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