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JackalJ

JackalJ

Senior user
#2,581
Jan 27, 2015
seasonedwitcher said:
I find it a little concerning that mere months from release, they still can't show supposedly ultra settings. The rigs they showed the game off on yesterday are claimed to have hand 2xGTX 970s in them. This wasn't enough to show it off in all its glory?
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Ah really 2 GTX 970's, other people keep saying it was a GTX 980.
 
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SeasonedWitcher

Senior user
#2,582
Jan 27, 2015
jackalj said:
Ah really 2 GTX 970's, other people keep saying it was a GTX 980.
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I'm not sure, PC Gamer were throwing around the two 970s specs. I wish they would just give us the official specs used, or the damn gaming sites get their stories straight for once. Still, it is concerning that they still haven't shown the game maxed out on ultra settings, apparently. At least that's what people are saying, what we saw yesterday is supposed to have been 'high' settings, whatever that means.
 
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Dymblos

Senior user
#2,583
Jan 27, 2015
so.. the main graphics of the games was downgraded for be the same in ps4, x1 and pc?..
well. we know there is a few special filters for nvidia users.. but that cant justify the main downgrade :|
now all have sense
 
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caruga

Rookie
#2,584
Jan 27, 2015
ReptilePZ said:
Since we're doing comparisons, how about we compare similar scenes from this "mindblowingly better" VGX trailer and the current in-game shots.

I've taken the liberty to add an image of the new footage with a simple blue filter over it (as you can see by the colour of the YT video bar), so that only graphical fidelity can be compared, rather than subjective aesthetic differences.

Comparison 1






Comparison 2






The only real difference, aside from the colour filter (a purely aesthetic choice) is less bloom and motion blur, i.e. very cheap effects that have been tweaked a little.
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I'll give you these balloons if you let me use your cherry-picker...
 
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Mozalbete

Rookie
#2,585
Jan 27, 2015
Look at the ground in the first picture. People aren't complaining about the character models, but everything else.
 
ReptilePZ

ReptilePZ

Wordrunner
#2,586
Jan 27, 2015
caruga said:
I'll give you these balloons if you let me use your cherry-picker...
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Oh, I'm not the one cherry-picking here, friend. These images are the closest we can get to a 1:1 comparison. And there's no "downgrade" to be seen.
 
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Totalimmortal

Totalimmortal

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#2,587
Jan 27, 2015
caruga said:
I'll give you these balloons if you let me use your cherry-picker...
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Um... posting that in a Cherry Pickers: The Containment Thread? Really?
 
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AngusMacAskill.464

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#2,588
Jan 27, 2015
J1mb0b said:
You can always cancel your preorder they've already said that. If you have doubts as to the quality of the game then by all means do this. As to a refund comes out, their is a refund policy on gog but if you pre order the game you only have yourself to blame. They have shown you gameplay videos. Either base your purchase on them or wait until after release and watch someone play the game on youtube. If you make your purchasing decisions passed only on a couple of trailers, then I am sorry but you only have yourself to blame. Assuming there even is a downgrade, you are already aware of it and so should wait untill release.

Now if the game looked worse than the extended gameplay videos. Then maybe I'd have some sympathy for you.
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The point was that if you advertise one thing and produce something else you deserve all the flak you get. Like I said, I hope they won't do this but based on the shoddy gameplay videos it all points to that. I haven't preordered anything, nor have I talked about preorders. I have no idea how you got that from my post. Polish up on that reading comprehension first.
 
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G3nome

Senior user
#2,589
Jan 27, 2015
the game was dumbed down in an interview they said this

Unification of platforms there - we have one build, which is distributed to each of them, the game is exactly the same ranges of drawing grasses are everywhere the same. The differences arise from the fact that, for example. GPU is parameterized differently on each console, which may cause such differences. In color temperature.

And all the models and textures are the same?

Yes, there is only one version, without it we would not be able to create the game on time. We'd have to undress her, build and test separately on three platforms, which is impossible. So we do it on a single database, and then distribute it to all devices.
On platforms where there is less memory otherwise manage it. Load less complex models, it all depends on what is happening on the screen at any given time.

"In summary, there is little difference between the PC"

, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, rather than solve some errors reconfigure.


http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://www.gry-online.pl/S018.asp?ID=1132&STR=3&h=JAQEwihe1



so a 600$ has the same power of a 150$ gpu
 
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DuranA.111

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#2,590
Jan 27, 2015
People are so obsessed over textures.

TEXTURES ARE A MEMORY ISSUE PEOPLE and the PS4 and Xbox One both have solid amounts of memory.
 
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G3nome

Senior user
#2,591
Jan 27, 2015
DuranA said:
People are so obsessed over textures.

TEXTURES ARE A MEMORY ISSUE PEOPLE and the PS4 and Xbox One both have solid amounts of memory.
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"models "

so the ps4 gpu can move the same amount of polygons than a 980
 
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DuranA.111

Rookie
#2,592
Jan 27, 2015
The polygon count is dependent upon the resolution of the texture on the model.
 
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caruga

Rookie
#2,593
Jan 27, 2015
Totalimmortal said:
Um... posting that in a Cherry Pickers: The Containment Thread? Really?
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Oh, I don't deny that there's cherry-picking on both sides of the argument. The difference lies in proving a positive versus proving a negative. Once you demonstrate a drop in quality between different footages, making other comparisons that show an alignment of quality isn't relevant.
 
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G3nome

Senior user
#2,594
Jan 27, 2015
simply way dont preorder a game of any kind preorders are ruining games
 
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Mishikedman

Senior user
#2,595
Jan 27, 2015
Can someone of moderators contact Chris Priestly aka "Evil Chris" or Marcin Iwiński so we can finally have information and truth about DOWNGRADE , SYSTEM REQUIREMTS, SYSTEM USED TO SHOW NEW "15" MINUTES GAMEPLAY AND FPS.So we and this thread can finally be in peace. PLEASE
 
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Dymblos

Senior user
#2,596
Jan 27, 2015
Gnome said:
the game was dumbed down in an interview they said this

Unification of platforms there - we have one build, which is distributed to each of them, the game is exactly the same ranges of drawing grasses are everywhere the same. The differences arise from the fact that, for example. GPU is parameterized differently on each console, which may cause such differences. In color temperature.

And all the models and textures are the same?

Yes, there is only one version, without it we would not be able to create the game on time. We'd have to undress her, build and test separately on three platforms, which is impossible. So we do it on a single database, and then distribute it to all devices.
On platforms where there is less memory otherwise manage it. Load less complex models, it all depends on what is happening on the screen at any given time.

"In summary, there is little difference between the PC"

, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, rather than solve some errors reconfigure.


http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://www.gry-online.pl/S018.asp?ID=1132&STR=3&h=JAQEwihe1



so a 600$ has the same power of a 150$ gpu
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This only confirm the downgrade and the reason why they do it
 
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caruga

Rookie
#2,597
Jan 27, 2015
Scholdarr said:
This thread still leaves me speechless...so much entitlement and pointless whining. :ball:
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Good point. Entitled to honesty--who do we think we are?
 
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AngusMacAskill.464

Forum regular
#2,598
Jan 27, 2015
Scholdarr said:
This thread still leaves me speechless...so much entitlement and pointless whining. :ball:
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Scholdarr.452

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#2,599
Jan 27, 2015
Gnome said:
simply way dont preorder a game of any kind preorders are ruining games
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I don't see how the question of whether the game looks 5 or 10% better or worse than in an early trainer could really influence someone's decision to preorder the game...I guess that's just beyond my understanding, sorry.


caruga said:
Good point. Entitled to honesty--who do we think we are?
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Honesty? You don't know nothing about game development if you think a trailer published MONTHS or even YEARS before the release of a game was representative for the final quality of the game. Sorry, but that's not how game development works. And that's just common sense, it's not something CDPR does on purpose or something they had to explain to fans in great detail. I suggest you make an internship at a big game developer to fully grasp the common processes while developing a game of that size and vision...

If you want to accuse somebody of "lying" or false marketing wait for release. If CDPR releases gameplay material of the gold master that looks better than the actual game you can buy in stores you have something at hand. Everything else ist just - sorry - pointless whining.
 
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EliHarel

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#2,600
Jan 27, 2015
AngusMacAskill said:
They hyped the game too much with this. People remember. If they don't deliver the game from the initial trailer which, to be sure, was astonishingly polished and beautiful, then the people will and should be angry and will and should demand a refund, no matter how good the gameplay or story is.

Outright false advertisement is actually punishable by law. I can only hope CDPRED delivers. If they do not they deserve the outcry from their consumers.
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AngusMacAskill said:
The point was that if you advertise one thing and produce something else you deserve all the flak you get. Like I said, I hope they won't do this but based on the shoddy gameplay videos it all points to that. I haven't preordered anything, nor have I talked about preorders. I have no idea how you got that from my post. Polish up on that reading comprehension first.
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The vast majority of advertised material is of the allegedly downgraded quality. You have nearly an hour of gameplay footage, while the footage used to argue the existence of a downgrade amounts to less than two minutes. By the time the game will come out, there'll probably be more of the said downgraded material. Let's say... an hour and a half? But I'll stick with an hour, the minimal and unlikely scenario.

Come May 19, a buyer who will want to see some material to base his decision upon will have 2 minutes of supposedly upgraded footage, and 60 minutes, give or take, of supposedly downgraded material, of actual gameplay. You mean to tell me with a straight face that this is false advertisement, and that someone is entitled to a refund due to the least updated and oldest material a company has released?

I try to stay away from this thread, but curiosity keeps pulling me in, and then these overly dramatic comments convince me to respond.

bombeyboxx said:
I told u why..To deceive the viewer. To make him fool!
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If anything, they're being very honest with you. Here you have nearly an hour of the actual gameplay. Before the release of the game. The only case in which they're deceiving you and making you a fool (have that in any more dramatic?) is if they release the game and it looks nothing like the 37 minute gameplay, the 6 minute griffin hunt and the 12 minutes of new material.

You guys are forcefully trying to raise a scandal, and you're butchering the circumstances. Even if the material is downgraded, in no situation is this false advertisement, because you are exposed to the updated game, before you are required to make an informed purchase (meaning, no pre-order, but on May 19 and beyond). Let's go with the very unlikely case of someone being exposed only to the VGX trailer, and buying the game based on that alone (I hope you guys agree with me that this is extremely stretching it), then if we're bringing in law talk into the discussion - caveat emptor.

There is no false advertisement. If a person purchases a game based solely on material that is nearly 2 years old by the time of the game's release, without doing a minimal additional google search and study of the product, then he only has himself to blame.
 
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