Did someone edit that last shot? I think the first comparison looks pretty similar. Griffin is a different location though the griffin looks a bit different.
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Nice find. The uncompressed gameplay is looking pretty good alongside the original trailer. Geralts hair in particular looks a lot better. Also I am liking how the chain mail on Geralts armor doesn't look like it is lacking depth like in the trailer. For the most part it looks like the actual gameplay has surpassed the original trailer now. However it looks like the post processing effects in the trailer are still a little better.
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Compare that last shot to the one I just posted though. Either someone was using a weird video player, video, or messed with it a bit
Better than comparing it to 5 month old compressed youtube shots. We actually can see how much better the game looks now. I am hoping it improves even more by launch.
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Yeah it does seem a little more jagged than it should be, but its not a terrible comparison.
You mention once, and again, how development hasn't finished. When you reach a certain point, you aren't going to change anything beyond performance and bugfixes.
A console game
This thread is about graphics
During that time, you make assets that wont be used later, or create scenes that will be hugely downgraded because of consoles.
You say it as if that was good, as if we shouldn't complain about that, as if we should accept being slaves of consoles.
Everyone does! The game isn't finished! it's an old build! it's rushed!. A post ago, I posted screenshots that show a huge downgrade, and people try to use the compression of videos, that only adds artifacts and lowers the resolution, as an excuse. I even mentioned this earlier and, surprise surprise, there it is!
A good dev creates good textures and models that are changed in the upper settings so that they have huge quality, not being limited by consoles.
CDPR used high settings because you can see evetywhere people using this as an excuse to what they see, hoping that it wqill be much better with ultra settings.
No, many parts look terrible. "Worse than an indie croatian game" terrible.
I care, many people care. More people should care when they are lied to.
I won't just do that, I will be as much as I can to change this industry so that these things don't happen again. I will show this to everybody, and I will spread this information as much as I can.
Strawman
And I'm fed up with people that swallow any lies and ask for more, for more lies, more false promises, more empty PR words.
They can be as greedy as they want. All companies are greedy. Every-single-one. But many of them don't lie. Activision doesn't lie in their trailers, or Valve. They don't need it, they don't rely on constant excuses that will fall apart.
Just look at people, desesperately ignoring the ground, the amount of vegetation, the quality of it, the mountains. They try to use the same excuses once and again, but it doesn't work, reality is there and it isn't going to change, no matter how much you pretend that there is an improvement, that those huge differences don't exist.
They try to hide behind mockery, behind "funny" pictures and "witty" comments, but they only do what I said they would do.
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people who are saying downgrade are this dog >> all the journalists who play the game were bluff by it so what more you want stop crying like girl .graphic don't defined a game
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/11-reasons-why-the-witcher-3-is-the-game-of-throne/2300-6423132/
the game compare to red dead redemption or aka game of trones
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I am not going to jump on somebodies ass again, or even mock people concerned over this. However I will say that you are not a pariah, you have not been lied to, you are not victim of corporate greed, you are not campaigning for deep video game reform. You are are currently trying to start a flame war on an already touchy topic, and are not even structuring your claims very well by pulling up erroneous screen shots. Chill out man there is no need to get upset, or personal here.
Wait...I keep seeing people say that they are making a mistake by comparing trailer footage to in game footage... Aren't trailers suppose to be representative of the final product? why are people faulting others for comparing advertising material that doesn't hold up to the actual game. A TRAILER IS SUPPOSE TO TELL YOU WHAT THE GAME IS AND HOW IT IS GOING TO LOOK AND PLAY! if a trailer by some peoples logic here is suppose to look better than the actual game and that is the whole point THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS THE USE OF IT TO THE CUSTOMER! there is no point watching it then because it is not accurate to the game you are interested in buying.
Stop giving the CDPR PR team excuses. Making the trailer look better than the final product is fucking inexcusable.
Stop giving the CDPR PR team excuses. Making the trailer look better than the final product is fucking inexcusable.
Arguing over an unfinished product is generally futile. Seeing how its unfinished, and everything.
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What other games do is different, their developers are different, and publishers too, I'd seriously doubt that EA or Bethesda would even dare to show the game at a more honest state when it comes to how the development process is going, but regardless of reasons, CDPR have explained whats going on and how they work with this, and like I said, it makes total sense, its logical, so im more inclined to believe it.
The game is being optimized and tweaked, aside from getting its bugs fixed, which impacts graphic quality tremendously of course.
The images comparison in this thread I've seen pretty much all of them, they fit what I describe, some things improved, others got worse, thats inconsistent with a downgrade claim, and rather, it fits what CDPR said and what they probably did.
I've seen that swamp comparison, its total bs of course, the resolution and compression are different, the swamps is not the same, the time of the day is vastly different which directly affects light and contrast, the swamp from the latest image has a grey/blue mist that blocks light and contrast as well, posssibly related to the forest spirit Geralt kills later, and since that is a gameplay build it is of course optimized to run as best as possible at that time, not like a simple trailer where you can pre render the somewhat final graphical settings. This things are beyond obvious, I shouldn't have to explain it honestly, dont just look at the pics and get carried away with emotions and general impressions, really look at its details, what makes it look the way you like it, and why are those things there or not.
I have been lied to. I believe what was shown on those screenshots, and it's just not there. I'm a victim of these lies. I'm not going to accept it. If talking about a visible downgrade and denouncing false marketing is starting a flame war, I will start a flame war. I don't care if it's a touchy topic, I'm a consumer, I don't have loyalty towards a bussiness, I just judge what that bussiness does. I have showed perfectly valid screenshots, unless you can show me proof that the vegetation will be much better and abundant, that the ground and detail on it won't be as flat, low res and have such a low poly count, or that that mystical, geat myst on the mountains will somehow make a comeback.
Indeed. But that point wasn't reached once the SOD trailer was released...
Some people think out of the box. Graphics don't exist in a vaccuum.
No, you usually don't.
I neither say it's good or bad it's just how things are. You don't like multiplat games? Well, don't buy them. Simple.
There is no huge downgrade imo.
Sadly, that's not how multiplat game development works. Again, if you don't like that, don't buy mulitplat games.
I don't. I think the game looks gorgeous on high settings. I think it looks better than 99% of the game out there. But apparently for some the best is still not good enough...
Yeah, sure. Over-dramatization at its finest imo. I don't see much or anything at all in the footage that is "worse than an indie croatian game". Not even speaking about that even an indie game made in Croatia could look gorgeous...
You were not lied to because nobody promised you something. You know, all early footage is usually marked with "WORK IN PROGRESS". That's because nobody promises you that it will look exactly like that in the final product. But you don't even need that marker since that's just common sense. You just make something up here and you know it.
You don't change anything for the good with such behaviour or posts. You only continue to give PC gamers the attitude of entitled elitists.
LOL, the same applies to almost everything you say.
PR can't lie because PR is never a promise. PR tries to sell a product. Common sense again. A trailer is PR at its finest. Only a very stupid person would think that this was representative for the final product. I really don't understand why you defend stupid people...
CDPR also didn't lie, not even once. Maybe you should look up the definition of "lie" before you use it so often...
Seeing how that doesn't exist yet... Kind of hard for them to do don't you think?
Take yourself a lawyer, try to take CDPR to court and hope that you poor victim will get the satisfaction you deserve. Or just don't buy the game. But please spare us your stories here...
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Wrong. A trailer can never deliver on that. A trailer is a PURE marketing and PR product to raise interest for your product.
Maybe you also mix up movies and games. In movies trailers are made AFTER the movie is shot, in games trailers are often made BEFORE the product is done. They both have the same purpose (to raise attention and "hype") but they can't be compared on the content level.
So no, we don't excuse anything or anyone here. We also don't need to because you just defined the "role of a trailer" in a way that it fits to your story no matter if that's right or not (and it isn't).
The sooner you understand that a trailer is just a mere marketing tool in gaming the sooner we can finally end this pointless discussion.
The initial trailer is still out there and hasn't been addressed by CDPRED or anyone affiliated with them. Are we supposed to ignore it? "LOL GUISE DAT WAS A JOKE XDDD ITS NOT INGAME ITS JUST A PUBLICITY STUNT HERE THIS IS THE REAL ONE"
It smells like bait and switch to me.
I believe you'll find that they are the opposite of that.
Sweet Jesus, I repeat what I said earlier. Chill out, and take a look at some of the latest gameplay, and those screenshots blady posted a second ago. Also check out some other current ones if that isn't enough for you. The game is coming along fine, and the improvements are drastic every time they show new gameplay. Also the trailers you are harping on as the golden standard are really not as impressive as you think it is. For example take a look at the muted colors, horrible texture details on Geralts hair, and armor. As well as dozen other issues with it; like texture, and asset pop in.
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The downgrade is here, now. Before,it was a suspicious, now it's a reality.
However, there they are, scenes filled with high quality vegetation and gorgeous mountains etc etc.
The differences are there, and for example, the vegetation looks like mmo typical grass cutouts
Maybe they should spend half of what they spend on PR on making a good PC game.
Do I really have to show, again, the Serious Sam 3 textures? Or STALKER textures? Or even Crysis 1 textures?
WORK IN PROGRESS means that it will get better, not worse than how it already is.
Do you know how much is good enough? At least as good as what they showed. That is good enough.
Expecting honesty is not being elitist.
It's you who says that I only want X when I haven't said that.
And do you know how you sell a product? With promises of quality
A trailer that shows gameplay scenes and promotional screenshots show something representative for the final product. They show the MINIMUM, something that will get better. Maybe you live in a strange world where dishonesty is so accepted that those things are normal.
Maybe you should look at the differences in those screenshots.
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