Obvious Downgrade

[LordICE]

From what was understood the preview videos were set to high detail (not maximum), so why worry? I'm sure most of those that complain about this right now will not even be able to run the game at maximum details. Seriously, how many of you can play right now on your current systems Witcher 2 on max settings?
Now, what I would like to know is why in God's name they didn't use TressFX for hair simulations? Nvidia's HairWorks is ok, dont get me wrong, but will not run on AMD GPU's just because Nvidia won't allow it. TressFX is DirectCompute and can run on both Nvidia and AMD. As a plus, it runs and looks way better then HairWorks (see attached screens from Tomb Raider 2013 and Witcher 3). Why wont you give us that awesome beard/hair how it should be, dammit!

 

[DBag]

Yeah its pretty obvious your trying to troll at this point.

Actually, to his defense, that was my reaction to your post as well. I mean, c'mon.

 

[SeasonedWitcher]

The worry is, we still haven't seen this supposed maximum setting. There are only a few more months until the game's meant to launch, if it still isn't working, that's a problem. I could play W2 with Uber sampling enabled from day one, well, once they removed the performance crippling DRM that came with the disc version that is.

 

[Giovanni1983]

True, i can said, that 35min gameplay + xbox griffin gameplay + this 12 min gmeplay - looks identical. But ALL of this stuff - much, much WORSE, than 2013 build screenshots\videos? And I am not alone with this thought. So Why? Can u tel me\us?

I don't think "much, much WORSE" is true. The older builds had some kind of sharpening filter on them that made them look more gritty and dark but as was stated by other members in this thread, those screenshots/videos lacked a LOT of stuff. Hair looked terrible, there was bad texture pop up, the colors were really bland and the textures were not particularly good. The only thing that made a real difference in my opinion, were the floating grass particles or whatever they were.

 

[thislsmadness]

My main complaint with the game is the absence of tessellation, the game looks completely flat everywhere: buildings, terrain, walls, etc.

There's a scene with a brick wall in the latest video where Geralt is talking with two guards, it's just a simple texture and completely kills the immersion, not even PoM used.

Disappointing, because I think it would give the game a whole different look.

They've already taken care of that.

Thought I'd let you know that one of our environment artists came in to work extra early today and tinkered a bit with all of the brick walls. I can thus proudly report the issue of the sub-par quality walls fixed.

 

[Alan989]

Wait, this thread is still ongoing? I thought it would have been closed ages ago with all these negative people all over it. Listen, don't go making claims like this, you don't know what the final game will be like on PC and we won't know until May. Stop making assumptions for which you have no proof.

I'd also recommend going outside for a bit, it'll help deal with the anger you have.

 

[Saorise]

Those are two different locations with different weather elements running. Kind of hard to compare. For the me the trailer image looks a lot worst because its blurred to hell. Also isn't that a screenshot released from even before the first E3 footage?

The bottom is missing volumetric clouds, dude.

 

[EliHarel]

The initial trailer is still out there and hasn't been addressed by CDPRED or anyone affiliated with them. Are we supposed to ignore it? "LOL GUISE DAT WAS A JOKE XDDD ITS NOT INGAME ITS JUST A PUBLICITY STUNT HERE THIS IS THE REAL ONE"

It smells like bait and switch to me.

I believe you'll find that they are the opposite of that.

I'm not sure what you mean by bait and switch, and I don't care much for you trying to ridicule by caps lock, bad spelling and juvenile internet slang, but either way - so what if the trailer is "still out there"? I'm not sure what the point of that statement is. Nor am I sure how am I to find out they're being the opposite of honest? Where are they being the opposite? How will I find that out? Do I know this now, or will I discover it once the game is released? If it's the latter, I don't know no more than you do. If it's the former, I'm not sure where their dishonesty is hidden, considering they're releasing updated footage.

AngusMacAskill, I wrote a relatively detailed explanation of how this is not false advertising, of how they have released updated material and thus them being honest by presenting us the game in its changed state, and your rebuttal is... not addressing any of it? Are you in this for a discussion, or just to jab? Because I don't see how this post of yours, which is addressing me but doesn't address my points, is constructive.

We can all talk in all seriousness and calmly about graphical stuff and stuff that could be improved until release but I can't understand and I don't like that aggressive and all-pessimistic behaviour of claiming that CDPR deceived somebody on purpose because they are just greedy a**holes. They use marketing, of course, like pretty much every other company on this planet to present their product in the best possible light. Shame on them I guess...

I am not going to jump on somebodies ass again, or even mock people concerned over this. However I will say that you are not a pariah, you have not been lied to, you are not victim of corporate greed, you are not campaigning for deep video game reform. You are are currently trying to start a flame war on an already touchy topic, and are not even structuring your claims very well by pulling up erroneous screen shots. Chill out man there is no need to get upset, or personal here.

This is what I don't get here (among many things). Why does this discussion repeatedly downgrade to this vitriol?

I'm probably pissing against the wind here with this "let's all get together and sing Kumbaya" moment of mine, because when did that ever work on the internet, especially during an argument? But it's boggling my mind. I'm not against discussions or disagreements, but for the life of me I don't understand why some people are so hostile and spiteful about this matter, to the point where they continually either flamebait or disparage those who disagree with them, be it in a passive-aggressive manner or just open scorn.

I usually roll my eyes when I read comments like this my own right here, and tend to be very cynical about them, but I can't help it this time around.

People are allowed to choose whatever hobby they want and be as enthusiastic as they like about it, and specific aspects of it - like graphics. I myself dedicate most of my spare time to gaming, so I know how people can become emotional about it. But this is one of those threads where 'discussion' has reached such a disrespectful low and pointlessness that I'm suddenly slapped across the face and take a step back, after I realize how much energy I've been spending on something ultimately inconsequential and how petty I've become about it. I, and I'm going to guess that many others here, too, are in this for the fun, and not as some semi-religious crusade to reform the industry.

Because, ultimately, what is the end goal of this thread? What is its point, after 260 pages and going?

Is it to all feel victims together?

Is it to rally a mass boycott against the malicious CDPR?

Let's say that tomorrow morning, we all wake up and agree that the graphics have been downgraded. Atrociously downgraded, even.

Then what?

I'm not a crusader. I will buy the game, regardless of how evilly the developers are cackling in their secret headquarters, blowing their noses and wiping their asses with Benjamin Franklins. Even if there is a massive downgrade, and even if it is out of malevolent reasons, this will not affect my purchase.

I'm going to take a wild guess here, and say that the millions of people TW3 is targeting... don't really care. They don't follow the development as tightly as we do - we're the minority. The core 'fans'. Those who drink in every new article and analyze the shit out of every screenshot. I'm following TW3 heavily, for instance, and I don't really know what's going on with Bloodborne, MGS5, Arkham Knight, Order 1886. If they're downgraded, I'll go 'meh' - and buy them anyway (considering the impressions of people are positive overall). And this is coming from someone who spends a lot of free time following gaming news.

I don't think that most gamers worldwide follow gaming news as we do, let alone a specific game like we do.

My point with this drawl? Any concrete end goal of this thread, other than just discussing it, isn't likely to achieve anything. People will buy the game, because everything else is solid. Thing is, often during this thread, the downgrade is waved about as if this will determine the fate of the Wild Hunt. Or just serves for endless provocation, like some are falling into by constantly posting comparison photos for the umpteenth time, or just responding to people by mocking emoticons. We're way past the point, it seems, of trying to reach any insightful point - we're just trying to be right, for the sole purpose of being right.

I mean... let's try something. Hell, for the sake of it. This isn't a matter of principle for me, because, honestly, at the end of the day it's just a game in the grand scheme of things (for my life). So - @Mozalbete , fine, there's a downgrade. A despicable one.

You are right.

You were always right.

What happens now?

Is it May 19 already?

This post of mine has fattened into something short of a blog and just rambling, so I'll stop it here. Hopefully I'll have the discipline to overcome my morbid curiosity and my urge to follow every thread, and just stay away from this one as an exception. Because it's been far too long since it generated anything of worth, and it's mostly bringing out the worst in internet users. Hell, it even pushed me towards this self-conscious sappy Dear Diary entry.

 

[LAZER555]

Сообщение от Ostamunt
My main complaint with the game is the absence of tessellation, the game looks completely flat everywhere: buildings, terrain, walls, etc.

There's a scene with a brick wall in the latest video where Geralt is talking with two guards, it's just a simple texture and completely kills the immersion, not even PoM used.

Disappointing, because I think it would give the game a whole different look.
They've already taken care of that.

Сообщение от MilezZ
Thought I'd let you know that one of our environment artists came in to work extra early today and tinkered a bit with all of the brick walls. I can thus proudly report the issue of the sub-par quality walls fixed.

Ok they fixed the brick walls, but what about the ground? There are flat stones on it
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[truthinoneword]

Actually, to his defense, that was my reaction to your post as well. I mean, c'mon.

What you mean the two areas are completely different locations in the shots, or how the fact the first shown area doesn't look like a place the character ever visits given how the tree density is to thick to travel through, and its shown off in the distance from the perspective of over a cliff.

 

[Scholdarr.452]

Wow...that's stupid. I guess there's no point watching trailers for games anymore.

There never was any "point" other than just entertainment. And that's not stupid, that's just how things always were.

 

[Ljesnjanin]

Ok they fixed the brick walls, but what about the ground? There are flat stones on it
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Honestly, all I can see is Geralt wearing a dress

 

[thislsmadness]

Ok they fixed the brick walls, but what about the ground? There are flat stones on it
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Theres still 4months until release, they fixed the wall in less than a day. So, I cannot tell you exactly what will change but I imagine a ton of things will be improved/polished by then.

 

[DBag]

Because, ultimately, what is the end goal of this thread? What is its point, after 260 pages and going?

It'd be nice to get an honest response from CDPR. Lay it out as it is. But that's just wishful thinking on my part, and I certainly don't feel entitled for such a response from them.

If anything, this whole charade has amplified my general distaste towards PR and marketing.

 

[truthinoneword]

I'm not sure what you mean by bait and switch, and I don't care much for you trying to ridicule by caps lock, bad spelling and juvenile internet slang, but either way - so what if the trailer is "still out there"? I'm not sure what the point of that statement is. Nor am I sure how am I to find out they're being the opposite of honest? Where are they being the opposite? How will I find that out? Do I know this now, or will I discover it once the game is released? If it's the latter, I don't know no more than you do. If it's the former, I'm not sure where their dishonesty is hidden, considering they're releasing updated footage.

AngusMacAskill, I wrote a relatively detailed explanation of how this is not false advertising, of how they have released updated material and thus them being honest by presenting us the game in its changed state, and your rebuttal is... not addressing any of it? Are you in this for a discussion, or just to jab? Because I don't see how this post of yours, which is addressing me but doesn't address my points, is constructive.



This is what I don't get here (among many things). Why does this discussion repeatedly downgrade to this vitriol?

I'm probably pissing against the wind here with this "let's all get together and sing Kumbaya" moment of mine, because when did that ever work on the internet, especially during an argument? But it's boggling my mind. I'm not against discussions or disagreements, but for the life of me I don't understand why some people are so hostile and spiteful about this matter, to the point where they continually either flamebait or disparage those who disagree with them, be it in a passive-aggressive manner or just open scorn.

I usually roll my eyes when I read comments like this my own right here, and tend to be very cynical about them, but I can't help it this time around.

People are allowed to choose whatever hobby they want and be as enthusiastic as they like about it, and specific aspects of it - like graphics. I myself dedicate most of my spare time to gaming, so I know how people can become emotional about it. But this is one of those threads where 'discussion' has reached such a disrespectful low and pointlessness that I'm suddenly slapped across the face and take a step back, after I realize how much energy I've been spending on something ultimately inconsequential and how petty I've become about it. I, and I'm going to guess that many others here, too, are in this for the fun, and not as some semi-religious crusade to reform the industry.

Because, ultimately, what is the end goal of this thread? What is its point, after 260 pages and going?

Is it to all feel victims together?

Is it to rally a mass boycott against the malicious CDPR?

Let's say that tomorrow morning, we all wake up and agree that the graphics have been downgraded. Atrociously downgraded, even.

Then what?

I'm not a crusader. I will buy the game, regardless of how evilly the developers are cackling in their secret headquarters, blowing their noses and wiping their asses with Benjamin Franklins. Even if there is a massive downgrade, and even if it is out of malevolent reasons, this will not affect my purchase.

I'm going to take a wild guess here, and say that the millions of people TW3 is targeting... don't really care. They don't follow the development as tightly as we do - we're the minority. The core 'fans'. Those who drink in every new article and analyze the shit out of every screenshot. I'm following TW3 heavily, for instance, and I don't really know what's going on with Bloodborne, MGS5, Arkham Knight, Order 1886. If they're downgraded, I'll go 'meh' - and buy them anyway (considering the impressions of people are positive overall). And this is coming from someone who spends a lot of free time following gaming news.

I don't think that most gamers worldwide follow gaming news as we do, let alone a specific game like we do.

My point with this drawl? Any concrete end goal of this thread, other than just discussing it, isn't likely to achieve anything. People will buy the game, because everything else is solid. Thing is, often during this thread, the downgrade is waved about as if this will determine the fate of the Wild Hunt. Or just serves for endless provocation, like some are falling into by constantly posting comparison photos for the umpteenth time, or just responding to people by mocking emoticons. We're way past the point, it seems, of trying to reach any insightful point - we're just trying to be right, for the sole purpose of being right.

I mean... let's try something. Hell, for the sake of it. This isn't a matter of principle for me, because, honestly, at the end of the day it's just a game in the grand scheme of things (for my life). So - @Mozalbete , fine, there's a downgrade. A despicable one.

You are right.

You were always right.

What happens now?

Is it May 19 already?

This post of mine has fattened into something short of a blog and just rambling, so I'll stop it here. Hopefully I'll have the discipline to overcome my morbid curiosity and my urge to follow every thread, and just stay away from this one as an exception. Because it's been far too long since it generated anything of worth, and it's mostly bringing out the worst in internet users. Hell, it even pushed me towards this self-conscious sappy Dear Diary entry.

So much this. Just short of a game having day one DLC with a substantial amount of the original content stripped out., or a "downgrade" on par with unity, and watch dogs I won't avoid a game I was interested in. Still there are companies I simply won't buy from because of this EA, and Ubisoft being the highest on the list.

 

[Doctalen]

Just remembered this post

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/31977-Concerns-about-the-game-s-quality?p=1426046&viewfull=1#post1426046

 

[thislsmadness]

It'd be nice to get an honest response from CDPR. Lay it out as it is. But that's just wishful thinking on my part, and I certainly don't feel entitled for such a response from them.

If anything, this whole charade has amplified my general distaste towards PR and marketing.

I just posted their response 1 page back. Here it is again:

Aren't you afraid that the situation of Watch_Dogs will repeat itself, when the first trailer was compared to the final built of the game?

If one watched the trailer they would see that the character models in the game look better, even Geralt, he's been perfected - he's got better shaders, for instance. We made lots of new details, considerably improved the facial expressions and lip synchronization with spoken lines. We're dubbing it to 7 languages so we're not able to record motion capture of changes of the actor's face, like in Call of Duty. It wouldn't fit on three blu-rays. So we implemented the dynamic system based on sounds/phones, like in The Witcher 1 and 2, where it was weak. In The Witcher 3 it's incomparably better done, we've raised the bar for whole industry in comparison to other games that have to use the same system [like, among others, BioWare's games - editor note] and you couldn't see this in the trailer.

However the issue of lighting quality in that trailer remains subjective. We've made a mistake of rendering some shots in dark and gray colors. It was just an option picked randomly by the engine. I think that there will be places in the game that it will look stunningly good and no-one will accuse us of changes from the first trailer. Unfortunately, there will also be places where the game will look worse. It also happens in GTA - when the storm comes and it's gray, especially in the woods, graphics will for sure seem worse than in the living city illuminated with neons.

 

[Mozalbete]

I mean... let's try something. Hell, for the sake of it. This isn't a matter of principle for me, because, honestly, at the end of the day it's just a game in the grand scheme of things (for my life). So - @Mozalbete , fine, there's a downgrade. A despicable one.

You are right.

You were always right.

What happens now?

Is it May 19 already?

I don't know anything about the overall quality of the game, a downgrade is just another factor that I take into account.

I complain about it, strongly, but that's it

 

[DBag]

I just posted their response 1 page back. Here it is again:

He's talking about character models - which indeed look great, and this particular point was not a concern of mine - and generally making excuses. We haven't seen this kind of visual fidelity in the past year, and I'm afraid we might not see it at all. This has not been addressed by CDPR as far as I know.

 

[truthinoneword]

He's talking about character models - which indeed look great, and this particular point was not a concern of mine - and generally making excuses. We haven't seen this kind of visual fidelity in the past year, and I'm afraid we might not see it at all. This has not been addressed by CDPR as far as I know.

Alright I am being completely serious here please point out to me what is impressive about this gif in comparison to the most recent gameplay?