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Left it's high. Right it's ultra. Well then that's settled ! Let's all grab something to eat drink and let's feast. Wild Hunt is coming !The last image was messed with or taken using a weird video. On my player it looks like this. Also, I'm not seeing where the big difference in that first comparison is.
Also the first shot looks a bit different than in my video (Shadows are noticeably a lot darker to me and Geralt looks a bit darker)
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The vegetation in the right pictures is much more detailed and complex, but it could be caused by different vegetation. Someone should ask the developers about this, since the most recent vegetation really looks like small cutouts withous.
The old vegetation has a lot of perfectly transparent parts, while the modern vegetation seem to be low quality pictures.
In the old picture, you can barely see the part where the vegetation "cuts". This part is really visible in the recent screenshots.
I get sad just thinking about the incredible fog around the mountains. I really miss it, and I don't see anyone asking developers about it. I hope someone does, though.
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I'm 99.99% sure that's obviously not how it's supposed to look, letting aside that the right side pictures is at 4K(ubersampling) increasing their fidelity thoroughly, what you're referring to as 'transparency' is actually translucency, it's called specular maps, that's what's probably bugged out.
Whoever made the images... why even bother making comparison screenshots when you're not using a good video source and video renderer(like madVR). Completely butchered picture, destroyed blacks, horrible colours. Thanks @Docttj those are clean shots
Whoever made the images... why even bother making comparison screenshots when you're not using a good video source and video renderer(like madVR). Completely butchered picture, destroyed blacks, horrible colours. Thanks @Docttj those are clean shots
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I'm still not a fan of Ubersampling. It doesn't so much get rid of jaggies as smear edges and textures, and it doesn't eliminate the shimmering floorboards or dithered shadows. I disable it even with a card that can run it. Better to put the GPU cycles into SweetFX or even ENB, which both play nice with TW2.
Still hyped for the game no matter what. A downgrade would certainly suck, but CDPR has done a lot of things right lately. They're one of the few remaining companies with big name games with a good reputation with their fanbase. The Witcher 3 is the only game that I'd buy, hell, preorder anyway, simply because of its combat, music and story. However, I'll still be highly disappointed, and previous trust and respect will be lost, and honestly, due to their current stellar standing, that blow will be even worse than with a scummy company like Ubisoft. While CDPR may be in good standing and is generally a very open and trustworthy group, outright admitting to graphical downgrades would be a very bad idea especially when they're already playing the free dlc card to earn peoples trust, but are potentially losing more money in the process. This means that only time will tell. If Microsoft and/or Sony payed them off due to the consoles limitations, then so be it, modders will find a way to make it look gorgeous again, it happened with Watch_Dogs.
My enjoyment of the game won't change, especially since you'd need a monster rig to run the game at max and 60 fps, something very few people have, but that just means it'll look gorgeous anyway, as I trust CDPRs optimization attempts. I'll be looking at it like Crysis 1, so high end it has to be downgraded until later on down the line if the downgrade is true and noticeable. Trust will be lost, no more money will be given, but my enjoyment of the game will still be high.
Stay true to your word CDPR, you're one of the last gems left.
My enjoyment of the game won't change, especially since you'd need a monster rig to run the game at max and 60 fps, something very few people have, but that just means it'll look gorgeous anyway, as I trust CDPRs optimization attempts. I'll be looking at it like Crysis 1, so high end it has to be downgraded until later on down the line if the downgrade is true and noticeable. Trust will be lost, no more money will be given, but my enjoyment of the game will still be high.
Stay true to your word CDPR, you're one of the last gems left.
I liked uber compared to the other options at my disposal. It removed the characteristic shimmering artifacts when scenes are in motion that tell your subconscious you're looking at a game. Can SweetFX/ENB do anything for that?
Specular maps? This isn't about reflections, it's abbout the transparent parts of the pictures and how precise they are.
I hope we get soon some screenshot where we can see vegetation in the first plane so that I can rage with high resolution fuel. Or not, if the strange shapes of the vegetation are a result of AA/distance/LoD settings/screenshot quality.
I don't see that shimmer, or it just doesn't bother me. What I really dislike are the halos around edges of high contrast that Ubersampling (and pretty much all brute force antialiasing) creates.
I'll have to run SMAA at T2x to see if that makes a noticeable difference in edges in motion, next time I get a chance. It is supposed to solve the problem you complain of.
Maybe I'm naive, but it seems to me like it's telling people there is something wrong with their eyes, that backfires and is even more inflammatory. Did that work for Ubisoft, when they denied any 'downgrade'? If they had come out and said "These trailers don't look like earlier footage because, while that level of fidelity is attainable, it won't run fast on present hardware, so we want to present a realistic view of what the game will be like." would the outrage be greater, or lesser?
I know, I know, this is an absolute no-no, PR suicide. You tell the dumb masses what they want to hear and marginalise the few honest and smart people as best you can. The few people who would "respect them for being honest" aren't large enough in number to matter. Right?
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It's not just the edges of models, but stitches on clothing and such. I'm likewise blind to this halo effect you speak of. Does supersampling/downsampling do that? Honestly I'm not sure what uber does differently, I've heard it draws the scene multiple times from slightly different camera angles?
I wasn't sure if Witcher 2 even acknowledged forced AA settings, in my experience it simply ignored them and did what it wanted, every setting looked exactly the same.
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The grass still look "toned down" a bit, but I can't quite pur my finger to it. I'm pretty sure it's about pure graphics and NOT the difference in photography. Maybe the old screenshot got photoshopped a bit by devs to make it look a bit better and give to some of us the impressione of "better grahpics"?The last image was messed with or taken using a weird video. On my player it looks like this. Also, I'm not seeing where the big difference in that first comparison is.
Also the first shot looks a bit different than in my video (Shadows are noticeably a lot darker to me and Geralt looks a bit darker)
The old screen still looks stunning to me, this one is decent but not impressive. And I'm trying to rule out the "artistic photogrphy factor". that can't be subconscious.
I don't want to add to the drama here but I've watched the vid again, this time with HD, and LoD looks a bit problematic to me so far (while keeping in mind the game will be released in months).
The part when he's on the horse running, watch the trees on the left side. There are multiple instances of the same "2D cardboard tree" that is really painful to see.
Otherwise the game looks fine. I'm not sure I like the "vibrant" color palette more than what was shown in the very first trailer of the game. The part where he was in Novigrad in the first trailer was amazing to me, and it doesn't look as good as it was now, except for the terrible green filter effect. But that's personal opinion, nothing objective.
The part when he's on the horse running, watch the trees on the left side. There are multiple instances of the same "2D cardboard tree" that is really painful to see.
Otherwise the game looks fine. I'm not sure I like the "vibrant" color palette more than what was shown in the very first trailer of the game. The part where he was in Novigrad in the first trailer was amazing to me, and it doesn't look as good as it was now, except for the terrible green filter effect. But that's personal opinion, nothing objective.
Pretty much how it is. And the previous "Youtube shitty quality" is no excuse. If youtubes quality was shitty enough to downgrade the Elder Blood trailer, why weren't the previous trailers and gameplay videos equally shitty if there was supposedly no actual in game downgrade? I don't trust their whole "platform parity" bull either, especially after they outright stated PC would look the best and be the undeniable primary platform. However, that's pretty obviously just PR lies for more sales so consoles don't feel too shafted. I'm getting mixed vibes from CDPR lately, but I trust they'll do the right thing. If they actually came out and admitted to a downgrade, I, and many others would be pissed, yes, it would be respectable to hear admitted because even Ubisoft tried to deny Watch_Dogs downgrades AFTER its release, but it's still a crappy thing to do.
However, in this case, because as I mentioned its high, not even ultra requirements are insane, it's very unlikely there'll be much parity at all, and if they came out and admitted to having to downgrade because the game was way too difficult to run on any rig, stating that as their reasoning, with proof, THAT is something I'd find very respectable. Because of how they locked up Ubersampling and Ultra settings right now, to be released at a later date, it would make perfect sense if they had to downgrade as a whole and release it all later. But, as you said, that would be suicide even if that was the reason unfortunately. The dumb masses accept nothing of the sort.
Oh, and if you're actually asking me about the Ubisoft downgrade thing, yes, highly. Why? Because it was found out, through mods, that the game was downgraded on PC so there wouldn't be as large as a gap between the PC and consoles. Probably paid off by MS and Sony, no doubt. Modders found the games actual graphical prowess locked away deep in the games subfolders, there was even some snarky remark as I recall in some of the ini files about how PCs don't matter. The other funny thing? Performance on PC was noticeably increased once one applied the mod. Ubisoft really goofed there, CDPR can come clean and do it in a calm and reasonable manner though.
My respect for CDPR hasn't changed in any way, I'm just a bit cautious now. I'm banking on all of their PR talks and whatnot being solely for profit until release day, they understand how good their reputation is and continue to do more to uphold it, I doubt they'd make such a huge mistake that has been the bane of many games in the past 2 years.
I don't see that as an explanation for why their bare-faced denial of any downgrade worked to their advantage.
Well.. it didn't. Sorry, a bit busy so I may have typed without thinking as much, but it's fairly obvious they didn't care one bit about an advantage.
It wouldn't cripple my main point, because my main point has nothing to do with asset quality, but as I said merely the fact that even a change in the time of day by a matter of hours can drastically change the "look/feel/mood" of a scene. Whilst I personally believe both pictures have exactly the same asset quality, the sunset picture just "looks" way better, it's more moody and atmospheric. Just like the scene from the VGX Trailer with Eredin burning the village, unless that quest is forced to be done in the evening, could you imagine how different that would be doing that during the day compared to the night?
Oh I definitely think there's solid reasons to be cautious. At this stage I honestly don't blame anyone for cancelling pre-orders or being a little wary about the game, they have every right to. Even if someone doesn't like the new "look" of the game since it dropped the sharpening filter and the lighting changed (Debut Gameplay), although subjective that's still a perfectly valid reason to be kind of "meh" about the game (Well if all you care about it aesthetic/graphics, or that's the deciding factor for whether you play the game or not).
The engine is irrelevant, the fact is that every open world game ever made is inconsistent (Even Crysis 1 and its sort of open segments). Nobody is making anything 100% cement about how the final version of the game will turn out, and whether it will look the "same" (As far as you can go considering the lack of sharpening and whatnot). Even when I say, "It is my firm belief", that still just speculation on my behalf and it comes with a big but... after those words, because regardless of how much I personally believe something going off a hunch, to others doubtful it's still simply just a random persons hunch and I can't confirm anything.
I just hope for CDPR's sake that I'm right, because it's going to definitely negatively impact them as a company if the downgrade does turn out 100% undeniably true. We'll find out May 19th though.
No. What I'm saying is that you cannot conclusively pin the differences on time of day and weather, or, more exactly, you cannot reasonably estimate the impact time of day and weather have if, simultaneously, there are other significant variables play such as platform or the assets themselves. So if that were the case your point would in fact be compromised.
Elder Blood is an unfortunate landmark in the entire TW3 marketing campaign. It is on PC. It is running on the same engine. Yet did you take a look at fire, around the 20 second mark, the scene featuring Eredin? It is nowhere near on par with its VGX counterpart. It's just worlds, nebulae apart. This is the kind of flagrant disparity that I have in mind when I estimate that currently, REDengine 3 is wildly inconsistent. No difference in time of day and weather conditions could explain the colossal gap, but go ahead and give it a try.
I'd agree that there's been a dose of drama. Oddly enough, for the most part, it's coming from the denial side of this argument. Examples: members constantly calling for the thread to get locked or simply dropping by to wonder «This is still going on?!» or even that lovely moment when the expression «barking dogs» was used to refer to this side only to merit a red point from a high profile member of this forum. So let's examine what's at stake here. If the thread persists, those who feel the downgrade is fictional stand to loose nothing. They're free to not engage in it. On the other hand, if it does get locked, others who feel there's reason for concern will have lost a thread that has already proven itself as source of new relevant info. And some of them are contemplating buying a new rig to play TW3 on high or ultra - we're talking about a non-trivial investment here - and thus risk loosing a source which, even if modestly, is helping them make the judgement call on which the decision to spend such a considerable sum of money is predicated upon. Not quite the same stakes, you'll agree.
Marcin knows what's coming if high-end PCs won't be able to render those VGX and SoD scenes nearly at the same level. I trust him. Feel he's a man of his word. But the possibility of a PR catastrophe that extends far beyond TW3 into CP2077's marketing campaign lends even more weight to his words.
I'm hopeful.
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