Obvious Downgrade

[dasega]

Let me put on my tin foil hat here for a moment.


CDPR is obviously a multiplatform developer now and has to deal with both M$ and Sony. Once you get into the multiplatform business there are also some rules you have to follow, the first and most important one being:

You shall not make the pc version look too good or too superior in any way in comparison to the Xbone and PS4 versions or you can forget about a release on the consoles

and the second most important rule being:

Your PR department shall not speak openly about any of this, and in case you have to, come up with something about Youtube's crappy compression being the root of all teh evil


Consoles market is very profitable but I hope cdpr won't sacrifice visuals just to don't make console users feel inferior.

 

[serxho92]

Can't believe they lied to us. How can they regain the trust they had with the community?

They didn't lie. We have to wait for their reply.

 

[SageFox.326]

This game is not bigger than skyrim as a fact, we even don't know if it is as big skyrim is, the map size is other problem and discussion.

 

[Jack Bauer 24]

This game is not more big than skyrim as a fact, we even don't know if it is as big skyrim is, the map size is other problem and discussion.

So they lied about that too?

 

[Adamastor]

since the announcement of the W3 there is not been a single trailer with good graphics. We ear the same excuses , old footage, no time, its been polished, etc, the truth is simple, this is the game we are going to get in February, they dont have nothing more to show us don´t expect by magic a video with graphics like unity, uncharted or the order just because cdrp says the game will have cinematic graphics, just get used of the idea that in 2015 you are going to play a game with PS3 graphics simple.

let hope we get a good story

 

[witcher22]

So they lied about that too?

Calm down each scene is a different lvl of detail

 

[CostinRaz]

I think people are under estimating the sheer amount of assets involved in a game bigger than skyrim. Something like arkham knight is a lot more condesned so maintaing consitency when optimizing isn't any where near as hard.

That's rather weak if the main opposing force looks like crap with frost. Texture quality isn't the problem. It's the effects, the lighting, the shadows etc that look like crap throughout the entire trailer.

 

[His_Majesty]

since the announcement of the W3 there is not been a single trailer with good graphics. We ear the same excuses , old footage, no time, its been polished, etc, the truth is simple, this is the game we are going to get in February, they dont have nothing more to show us don´t expect by magic a video with graphics like unity, uncharted or the order just because cdrp says the game will have cinematic graphics, just get used of the idea that in 2015 you are going to play a game with PS3 graphics simple.

let hope we get a good story

You've seen the 35 minute demo, right?

 

[CostinRaz]

You mean the same 35 min demo that looks considerably worse then the VGX trailer or Sword of Destiny.

Oh that one.

 

[SageFox.326]

This game has something i never liked since the beginning, its the "SpeedTree". That worked for some old games of the past generation, but now..... you can see how tree leaves turn with the camera and "follows" you.

 

[witcher22]

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This is from the other page.

As you can see the quality is all over the place.

 

[Ourgekjj]

all that shitstorm for just 2 textures not loaded at the right distance...Proof that its a bug with snow :

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Despite this 2 elements, the trailer as the same quality has SoD. VGX just have post process effect.

 

[Adamastor]

yes i saw the demo that looked like games i´ve played a couple of years ago in my ps3

 

[serxho92]

You mean the same 35 min demo that looks considerably worse then the VGX trailer or Sword of Destiny.

Oh that one.

The VGX trailer is implemented with other effects and stuff which make it look superb. But this is a marketing thing done by all companies. Every game trailer looks awesome because it is a presentation of the game. The 35 min demo ( which is not polished/optimised yet) is how the game will look like.( And it looks very good) .The elder blood trailer was a mess i agree on that but i still repeat it that we have to wait for a new gameplay footage or some info from CDPR. Many people are overreacting like it has come the end of the world. Just be patient.

 

[Journey_95]

damm the whining still hasn't stopped?? good to know that the sales won't be damaged by some of the annoying people here who somehow realized that CDPR isn't the video game god but just a good company
there is a downgrade..so what??

 

[SageFox.326]

all that shitstorm for just 2 textures not loaded at the right distance...Proof that its a bug with snow :

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Despite this 2 elements, the trailer as the same quality has SoD. VGX just have post process effect.

This is what happen with the game. I said literally the same thing.

I just don't like the Speed Tree system.

The Textures of Yen's arm are out of this world...... absolutely amazing.

 

[busterr.273]

Let me put on my tin foil hat here for a moment.

CDPR is obviously a multiplatform developer now and has to deal with both M$ and Sony. Once you get into the multiplatform business there are also some rules you have to follow, the first and most important one being:

You shall not make the pc version look too good or too superior in any way in comparison to the Xbone and PS4 versions or you can forget about a release on the consoles

and the second most important rule being:

Your PR department shall not speak openly about any of this, and in case you have to, come up with something about Youtube's crappy compression being the root of all teh evil

Now let's look back a few months to the announcement of the Xbone CE being bolstered with a cloth map and a physical version of the ingame card game which name escapes me. Apparently this was some kind of concession CDPR was fortunately able to force through for not having to make any Xbone-exclusive ingame content.
But what if this deal with M$ involves other, non-disclosable terms CDPR has to follow as well? Like, for instance rule no. 1?
And it's probably the same with the Sony deal. Except that the PS4 CE apparently doesn't need any additional incentives to compensate for technical inferiority.

And now for the Elder Blood promo.
It was obviously rushed, and contains footage of widely varyingly quality, ranging from the good, the bad to the fugly. Albeit good intentions CDPR fucked up and now reap what they have sown. Which in my opinion is entirely justified for having the audacity (or balls rather) to release something like the Elder Blood video 2-3 months prior to release. I'm sorry if this sounds entitled or arrogant, but there's hardly any excuse for not making sure that ALL of the footage looks consistent and like from a game to be released in February(!) with "genre-defining, truly next generation audio-visual fidelity". Some of the footage certainly looked the part (Ciri, Yennefer, Eredin) while others (Caranthir, Eredin, some of the textures, some of the lighting) certainly do not. Again, despite good intentions, they brought this unto themselves and now have to deal with the backlash, and rightfully so.

And especially if you then have a representative of the company coming forward and claim that it was just a problem with CDPR's inhouse video compression and youtube's compression on top of that, which fucked up the footage in some parts. I'm sorry but everyone with just the basic knowledge of compression and artifacting knows that this is complete and utter bullshit. Compression can't decrease polygon count and directly fuck up textures to look like they're from 1999.
This is basically rule no. 2 right here.

Was there ever a case since the inception of multiplatform developement where a PR representative or otherwise company affiliated came out openly and said , "hey guys, don't worry about the quality of some of the footage, this was just coming from the 6 months old non-optimised build of the version for the consoles"? If there ever was such a case I honestly can't remember.
There would be much less shitstorming without a doubt if developers would be more transparent and specific about the promotional stuff they make public. But for some reason (rule no. 2) they simply cannot, and just let the shitstorms go by mostly uncommentated and without addressing specific gripes in fear of pissing off other parties. Apparently it's already too confidential and dangerous to properly tag screenshots with the platform and build they were taken from.

The bottom line is that CDPR might have been rebels once but if you become a multiplatform developer you unfortunately have to play ball with M$ and Sony which involves all sorts of shady business (rule no. 1 and 2) you don't always can wriggle yourself out of.

I don't see CDPR going the way of Crytek (yet) but they're the perfect warning example for a once mighty PC centric cutting edge developer fallen low because of getting into the multiplatform development business and the concessions to the consoles this entails.

This is the most logical article i've read in this thread.

 

[His_Majesty]

The VGX trailer is implemented with other effects and stuff which make it look superb. But this is a marketing thing done by all companies. Every game trailer looks awesome because it is a presentation of the game. The 35 min demo ( which is not polished/optimised yet) is how the game will look like.( And it looks very good) .The elder blood trailer was a mess i agree on that but i still repeat it that we have to wait for a new gameplay footage or some info from CDPR. Many people are overreacting like it has come the end of the world. Just be patient.

Exactly. The 35 minute demo is all the gameplay we've seen so far so that's the graphical quality you should be expecting from The Witcher 3. Not the quality from the VGX trailer nor the quality from the Elder Blood trailer.

 

[AboundingTbone]

The VGX trailer is implemented with other effects and stuff which make it look superb. But this is a marketing thing done by all companies. Every game trailer looks awesome because it is a presentation of the game. The 35 min demo ( which is not polished/optimised yet) is how the game will look like.( And it looks very good) .The elder blood trailer was a mess i agree on that but i still repeat it that we have to wait for a new gameplay footage or some info from CDPR. Many people are overreacting like it has come the end of the world. Just be patient.

So what you're saying is CDPR false-advertised with the VGX trailer? Especially because it said "in-game footage".

 

[ONLY_ONCE]

I don't know why people are trippin, this game is going to be fucking awesome! It's just Cutscenes, cdpr have never been strong in this area as far as I can tell.
Hey, and it's still a major step up from TW2, the face animations move now and look more real than ever. Now, if those low res textures were in the gameplay itself,
then yeah I would be upset. It's a good thing it's not, so give thanks guys. They are working so hard to give their best, so please don't be so quick to judge.
Some folks are so damn rude and mean, where is the respect for your awesome brothers and sisters from another mother?
They are making this game, you're not making it, I'm not making it. So Embrace CDPR Team! (fuckers) lol..