Obvious Downgrade

[freshmind]

You can delete the game and close the doors ... Don't forget to lock the door.

I have a bad day because of this ... I can't believe what I saw. This is not a downgrade. This is something else. Something worst. How can this have such a difference ? This case have far more difference than Watch Dogs disaster. I mean, seriously. This trailer is under 4-5 floor quality from the Sord of Destiny trailer.

You have lost my trust CDPR ...

 

[SageFox.326]

I sent you a PM. This wasn't my contention, but see my message. We'll take it off thread.

That is over for me, i putted a link, i'm not discussing that anywhere.

I don't see the downgrade, but i can't blame other people for seeing it and i don't think it's a bad thing. I also think the PC is better and we know that it is, and don't see why would be a problem saying it.

I'm not judging reactions but we need to calm down, the only thing that happened is the game being so awesome that some problems presented to developers and they need to fix it.

Remember that this game is like 3.7 time skyrim and it's world is more detailed and alive than other games, i never saw this lvl of productions. People, please, GTA V for example, is more or less this big and very detailed too, is the closest example and that game spend 280 million dollars.......its like 10 times what CDPR has to make the witcher 3, lets be patient.

On the downgrade thing, i don't see it, the only images that looked better were the first pics and maybe because a post process effect, but gameplay wise they all look the same to me.

Lets take this easy.

 

[samplerico]

I already stated downgrade and predone all this discussion in June when the E3 gameplay demo was out and i compared to the SoD """gameplay trailer""" and well...

And now everyone is crying for downgrade...i remember my beloved fellows that the preorder opening was just after the SoD trailer, and before the E3...all said.

And, in case any of the defenders keep thinking theyr going to see something like the SoD trailer in gameplay, keep that out of ur mind this is definetely not happening.

 

[SageFox.326]

I already stated downgrade and predone all this discussion in June when the E3 gameplay demo was out and i compared to the SoD """gameplay trailer""" and well... i got banned for a bunch of bullshits agains my inflamation of threads or something like that.

And now everyone is crying for downgrade...i remember my beloved fellows that the preorder opening was just after the SoD trailer, and after the E3...all said.

And, in case any of the defenders keep thinking theyr going to see something like the SoD trailer in gameplay, keep that out of ur mind this is definetely not happening.

Tell me what did you saw on E3 and what on SoD that differs, i will understand you.

 

[Doctalen]

You can delete the game and close the doors ... Don't forget to lock the door.

I have a bad day because of this ... I can't believe what I saw. This is not a downgrade. This is something else. Something worst. How can this have such a difference ? This case have far more difference than Watch Dogs disaster. I mean, seriously. This trailer is under 4-5 floor quality from the Sord of Destiny trailer.

You have lost my trust CDPR ...

The only drastically worse part is the wild hunt armor, which may be from a Frost effect bug (You can see specs of high quality textures in the mess of everything else)

See

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/32644-Obvious-Downgrade?p=1484935&viewfull=1#post1484935

and go compare some of the shots of Ciri to the 35 minute demo and SOD yourself. You'll see she's also not changed. The Rider's also have not changed that much. Different lighting

SOD
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Elder blood
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[SageFox.326]

The only drastically worse part is the wild hunt armor, which may be from a Frost effect bug (You can see specs of high quality textures in the mess of everything else)

See

http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/32644-Obvious-Downgrade?p=1484935&viewfull=1#post1484935

and go compare some of the shots of Ciri to the 35 minute demo and SOD yourself. You'll see she's also not changed.

SoD and 35 min gameplay are from PC confirmed?

 

[Doctalen]

SoD and 35 min gameplay are from PC confirmed?

35 minute demo was on PC (The griffin part was on Xbox One) and the build was 4 months old when they showed it. It's 10 months old now

 

[samplerico]

The only drastically worse part is the wild hunt armor, which may be from a Frost effect bug (You can see specs of high quality textures in the mess of everything else)

See




http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/32644-Obvious-Downgrade?p=1484935&viewfull=1#post1484935

and go compare some of the shots of Ciri to the 35 minute demo and SOD yourself. You'll see she's also not changed. The Rider's also have not changed that much. Different lighting

SOD
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The SoD screen is not a good one you have the uncompressed version? i tell you im loking now and its waaay better thant that...

 

[Doctalen]

The SoD screen is not a good one you have the uncompressed version? i tell you im loking now and its waaay better thant that...

It's the GOG (Pre-order bonus) download version. If you have one that looks better link the download

 

[samplerico]

It's the GOG (Pre-order bonus) download version. If you have one that looks better link the download

I have my own downloaded, but i think i got that one from gamersyde perhaps, if not i don't know where you can download a good version.

 

[Doctalen]

I have my own downloaded, but i think i got that one from gamersyde perhaps, if not i don't know where you can download a good version.

I'll give that one a download. It's a little bigger in file size than mine

 

[SageFox.326]

The SoD screen is not a good one you have the uncompressed version? i tell you im loking now and its waaay better thant that...

just point me some leads with a few words, by pm if you want.

Anyway i don't think anybody will attack you now, we were discussing this topic and mostly it was fine, everyone is worried but i'm a little calm now, the only thing i don't like is having to wait three more months but that's ok if the game is well done.

Speaking about the last trailer that was a mess the only graphical problem i see there was that frost texture, not the character itself. Also the other games of this generation that did someway a downgrade they didn't lower the texture detail, low ress textures are out of discussion in this gen right now.

 

[Doctalen]

Ok, same comparison using SOD from GamerSyde, 634MB. Keep in mind the lighting differences

Elder blood. Actually I guess they default to jpg no matter what you attach?
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SOD
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[samplerico]

Anyway, these are trailers, when i look at the gameplays demos i don't see the quality i expected. Expectation btw, that THEY are creating... But time will tell.

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just point me some leads with a few words, by pm if you want.

Anyway i don't think anybody will attack you now, we were discussing this topic and mostly it was fine, everyone is worried but i'm a little calm now, the only thing i don't like is having to wait three more months but that's ok if the game is well done.

Speaking about the last trailer that was a mess the only graphical problem i see there was that frost texture, not the character itself. Also the other games of this generation that did someway a downgrade they didn't lower the texture detail, low ress textures are out of discussion in this gen right now.

Just look at my posts with screens comparisons im not going to throw again all this statements for nothing. Its tiring.

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Ok, same comparison using SOD from GamerSyde, 634MB. Keep in mind the lighting differences

Elder blood. Actually I guess they default to jpg no matter what you attach?
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SOD
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Well ther not so much diference with the first SoD screen you upd. But the definition is better and in SoD trailer the scene was in movement (a lot more blurry), even uncompresed version), in the EB hes not moving. And the looking is not the same, hard to compare things this way. Anyway i still think SoD looks a lot better than EB, wild hunt knight included, and specially lighting overall.

 

[Doctalen]

Anyway, these are trailers, when i look at the gameplays demos i don't see the quality i expected. Expectation btw, that THEY are creating... But time will tell.

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Just look at my posts with screens comparisons im not going to throw again all this statements for nothing. Its tiring.

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Well ther not so much diference with the first SoD screen you upd. But the definition is better and in SoD trailer the scene was in speed movement, in the EB hes stoped And the image is not thee same, hard to compare thisgs this way. Anyway i still thing SoD looks a lot better than EB, wild hunt knight included, and specially lighting overall.

I advanced frame by frame until the motion blur I saw in SOD wasn't there. The models look very similar to me. Even the horses armor on its head.

 

[samplerico]

I advanced frame by frame until the motion blur I saw in SOD wasn't there. The models look very similar to me. Even the horses armor on its head.

Even frame by frame thers motion blur you cant eliminate that from this source.

 

[Tuchi]

Ok, same comparison using SOD from GamerSyde, 634MB. Keep in mind the lighting differences

Elder blood. Actually I guess they default to jpg no matter what you attach?
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SOD
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the probel here is the wholew thing is damn fishy. what is the point of having this quality nailed and than showing THAT kind of trailer? compression problems is bullshit, the uncompressed version stil lhas WAY lesser quality texture and effects than the preavious trailers this can be only

A) a scam and they showed us false material that is now downgraded to console standards to accomodate thievish buisness practices: god forbid

B ) this is a VERY old build, precedent to the e3 and destiny trailer and somehow they decided to release this in a non cronological order: this makes no sense and if that's the case this decision heavily damaged them. it's the worst kind of pubbilicity thay could ever want

or C) the game is courrently SO full of bug and glitches that the previous version with that quality caused a very large number of stability issues and tu put out new material they had to compromise, hence the almost 8 months dealy this game now has compared to the original end of october release: this is what i actually HOPE is going on here and if thaty's the case we are basically safe, we just have to give them enough time to deliver what they promise.

the real problem here is, and it's the reason why people ae starting to loose is WICH IS OF THE THREE!? it can be ANY of those options, this undustry gave us mutiple example of all 3 cases, only the most common now day is A)...again god forbid.

it's not our job to just guess and find the difference we must have an official HONEST statment clearing things up and PROMISING game is not being downgraded,possibly with some sort of proof if they want this general perpexlity and anxsiety to end.

i for one would be more than gald to officially hear from them that in fact it is point C and ythey just neeed more time to deliver. there is no even need to ask for forgivness to such a thing. a game is ready when is ready and i don't have a problems as long as you are not SCAMMING me. promising one thing and delivering another fallowing who knows what obscure ( yeah you wish) schemes.

i want someone with credit to come here and tell us to just shut tha fuck up becouse the game will be 100& as presented in the e3 trailer and sword of destiny on PC but they need more time to accomplish that and we just havve to wait. i will be compleatly at peace with that,but thay need to be clear about this. this silent shadowy attitude is detrimental and for everyone and is what is cousing us to be increasingly worried and nervous as time passes

 

[samplerico]

the probel here is the wholew thing is damn fishy. what is the point of having this quality nailed and than showing THAT kind of trailer? compression problems is bullshit, the uncompressed version stil lhas WAY lesser quality texture and effects than the preavious trailers this can be only

A) a scam and they showed us false material that is now downgraded to console standards to accomodate thievish buisness practices: god forbid

B ) this is a VERY old build, precedent to the e3 and destiny trailer and somehow they decided to release this in a non cronological order: this makes no sense and if that's the case this decision heavily damaged them. it's the worst kind of pubbilicity thay could ever want

or C) the game is courrently SO full of bug and glitches that the previous version with that quality caused a very large number of stability issues and tu put out new material they had to compromise, hence the almost 8 months dealy this game now has compared to the original end of october release: this is what i actually HOPE is going on here and if thaty's the case we are basically safe, we just have to give them enough time to deliver what they promise.

the real problem here is, and it's the reason why people ae starting to loose is WICH IS OF THE THREE!? it can be ANY of those options, this undustry gave us mutiple example of all 3 cases, only the most common now day is A)...again god forbid.

it's not our job to just guess and find the difference we must have an official HONEST statment clearing things up and PROMISING game is not being downgraded,possibly with some sort of proof if they want this general perpexlity and anxsiety to end.

i for one would be more than gald to officially hear from them that in fact it is point C and ythey just neeed more time to deliver. there is no even need to ask for forgivness to such a thing. a game is ready when is ready and i don't have a problems as long as you are not SCAMMING me. promising one thing and delivering another fallowing who knows what obscure ( yeah you wish) schemes.

i want someone with credit to come here and tell us to just shut tha fuck up becouse the game will be 100& as presented in the e3 trailer and sword of destiny on PC but they need more time to accomplish that and we just havve to wait. i will be compleatly at peace with that,but thay need to be clear about this. this silent shadowy attitude is detrimental and for everyone and is what is cousing us to be increasingly worried and nervous as time passes

I'm mor or less agrre with you, thers a clear thing we can take out: Consoles are the market, even CDPR are attached to that, we need to keep that in mind, consoles rules, end of the discussion.

 

[Doctalen]

I'm assuming this footage is older. They said they rushed the trailer out to meet the Game awards dead lines. Mega64 said the game awards gave them 6 HOURS to get a video done and submitted too. I wouldnt be surprised if they used old footage to make a trailer real fast. Mega64 ended up not doing a video because of how short a notice was

 

[val.mitev]

Not trying to start a platform war, but does CDPR deny this scheme(downgrade to console)? We do not need evidence if CDPR will not even openly deny this to the public. I'm not saying that consoles are worse than PC because they run the same game , just different graphical fidelity. (then again look at Battlefield 4 across all of the platforms. PC version is far superior because it can run 64 player maps. This is a cold hard FACT)

There will be a difference between versions for the Witcher 3. It will be most visible in the view distance for each version. If the PC version has the same exact view distance as the consoles then you might have enough reason to say they downgraded it. That blue fog in the distance is very ugly. I want to be able to see the world of the Witcher 3 without seeing that blue fog.

As CDPR already said, they'll make the game looks as good as possible on each platform.
I've seen no evidence that points to the opposite, so just calm down people.