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Aes Sídhe

Forum veteran
#1,901
Dec 11, 2014
Vigilance said:
I just think it's wasted effort. There's nothing they can do or say at this point that would quell the fears of those who wish to be skeptical, no matter how far someone lands on the line towards "downgrade confirmed".
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When the game comes out we'll all know soon enough whether its good or not, either because we will have the game ourselves or someone we are in contact with will have the game. They say "past is prologue", but when release day comes ALL the guff that went before - all the trailers, reveals & controversies - won't matter a jot, and will be quickly forgotten.

+1 here for a return to playable demos in general, bypassing the dubious journos, binning the pre-order bad-work incentive, & encouraging a better product release ethic in the industry in general. Although demos wouldn't be required to make such attitudes prevalent, any dev could do it by simply choosing not to release a bugged product and showing a bit of pride in their work. Imagine that. ;)

minicrom said:
"We want to disarm the opinion that [The Witcher 3] doesn't exist,"
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That statement may have been as a response to a specific question on the rumour, Eurogamer doesn't make it clear. Nevertheless, the impression is given that the ridiculous allegation of vapourware put about by some anonymous coward has touched a nerve with the REDs, and why wouldn't it? How would you like it if what you had been pouring years of effort into creating for an audience was claimed to not exist, implying that you were conducting a scam by wilfully defrauding people of pre-orders, never mind some ciriously broken hearts.

One anonymous source with zero evidence supplied versus 35 minutes of gameplay (at least 10 mins of which must've been one unedited / unpaused slice) and people didn't laugh in the face of that neogaf twat? Me, I'd be pretty fecked off with the lot of you. Them, they're clearly still a little bothered by it, and even want to calm peoples irrational fears.

TL ; DR: TW3 is not vapourware, never has been, entertaining the very thought is ridiculous, so don't. It may release fatally bugged (disclaimer: I don't think it will, just an example) but that still doesn't make it the v-word. The V-word implies the REDs have been twiddling thumbs these last few years, watched the RedEngine gather dust, how they hell could anyone believe that?
 
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MkTama

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#1,902
Dec 11, 2014
Xigmus said:
I dunno man. I think it is very possible for a Modern Game to have very few issues at launch.

Shadow of Mordor almost had no bugs if I recall correctly. SWTOR had a very smooth launch because of the gating they did. Bayonetta 2 had no issues from what I can recall. Wolfenstein had none either. GTA V singleplayer was fine (however the multiplayer was egregious)

It's definitely possible, and they are exist. Sure no game is going to be bug free, however they can exist it's just well.... there are alot of reasons as to why, and too many to count.
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Apart from GTA, you are mentioning linear and not open games.. And GTA itself can be considered a case apart.. I stick to my idea, it's difficult to polish games this big before launch and the delay (according to the official statements) confirm that. However I can imagine that it's not easy to work on a finished game so I accept this state of things.

Anyway I'm a little OT.. What means here is that a trailer has not to be analyzed frame by frame.. Very easy to spot problems about anything if hyper analyzing or someone wants specifically to find problems. I think the trailer "as a trailer" is fine and some details out of place are not enough to doom a trailer, let alone a game of which we know still nothing. I agree that the guy in the picture isn't looking "hot" (in fact he's freezing :p) but I don't see a real problem in it
 
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xDeithwenx

Senior user
#1,903
Dec 11, 2014
TheEvilChris said:
It is getting pretty close.

If people cannot bring this back to The Witcher, which will be quite difficult given our new release date and the changes/improvements we will be making, this will get closed.

*sigh* My aim is off this morning.
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Why can't you or someone else from your company simply nip this topic in the bud by addressing clearly our concerns and provide some form of evidence to support your claims that there has been no graphical downgrade? The previous staff comment was great, but many of us have already stated that the quality of the video wasn't at question and the newly rendered version does not help alleviate our concerns.

Try and see it from our point of view. First we have some screenshots which don't really show off what we've seen before graphically. Then we have some NeoGaf "insider" claim there are problems in-house and that PR are essentially lying. Then we have this trailer which, again, doesn't really show off what we've seen before (although, we are aware that you didn't have much time to put it together. You guys are working very hard and we appreciate you took the time at all).

No one is asking for another 35 minute gameplay demo or a trailer. Excuse my ignorance, but as far as I'm concerned it would not take much effort to load the latest build of the game, record three minutes of footage, and then stick it on Youtube. It would take no less than a few hours and most of that would be leaving a PC to render said recording and then the upload.

I'm sorry, I do not wish to be rude as I love this game series and I very much appreciate everything that this company sets out to accomplish, but I am extremely frustrated that you are doing yourselves no favors by allowing these concerns to continue.


Also, to the moderators; if this thread is locked then it serves no purpose other than to further fuel the worries of those currently unsatisfied with given explanations. If people don't agree that the graphics have been downgraded, fine. I'm fed up of forums trying to stifle negativity, which in itself can formulate into constructive criticism, just because of a few bad eggs. Punish the individuals, don't prevent people from voicing their concerns, ESPECIALLY with a community as passionate and loving about the product as this one is.
 
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Snake9027

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Dec 11, 2014
Geralt_of_bsas said:
man so much speculation, we really need new info :p
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spacehamsterZH

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#1,905
Dec 11, 2014
stkmks said:
I mean a categorical response from a developer stating that all platforms will not be held back (has this been stated before?) .
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Yes, it has. This has also been referenced in this thread, but it hasn't stopped it from ballooning to 200 pages. Plus, you're cherry-picking - what you're saying here is based on the assumption that the perceived downgrade has something to do with the game being cross-platform. Other people assume it's because it's an open world game. Typically you'll find that people who make the first assumption are platform warriors who hate consoles, and those who make the second assumption hate open world games, i.e. everyone just blames their favorite pet peeve for a downgrade that may or may not have happened, and when CDPR addresses these things with their usual direct and clear language, nobody cares - they just keep bickering.

I also don't remember one single case where what you described happens. Not one. Once people are in internet rage mode, there's nothing a developer can say to get them to calm down again. Which is why they usually say nothing at all, past a certain point. We seem to have reached this point here.
 
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SageFox.326

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#1,906
Dec 11, 2014
Skyrim was really big, went out with a lot of bugs some really annoying.

The Witcher 3 is 3.7 times as big skyrim is and CDPR doesn't want that results, because this time things are a little more susceptible than when skyrim went out..
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#1,907
Dec 11, 2014
If this thread is becoming a little boring, there's the chance to open a poll asking to users if they don't find the trailer downgraded, or if they find the trailer downgraded but they don't care, or they care and demand an explanation (another one) .. (dammed! I am too influenced by my country present time)

And once everybody has voted, make an official demand to CDPR...

It's an idea..
 
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Adamastor

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#1,908
Dec 11, 2014
just for comparing i search the first set of images from W3 i remember this images, this images have 2 years and if i recall correctly they said the graphics will be much much better. well guys compare this 2 years old screenshots and take your conclusions, even the horse has fur tech, something is very wrong here.
IMO there is something wrong with the new engine, i stick with my idea that the "no loading time" banner toke a big chunk of performance.
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clst

Senior user
#1,909
Dec 11, 2014
I tend to say that this is bullshit when people wrote that there's "graphical downgrade" because when you compare this :

1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mchu19QbMCI
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtllw4sRXp8

you see that isn't the case on the contrary. so the game is beautiful and will be at least as beautiful as dragon age inquisition. After there will be always trolls or people seeking the little beast and yes the game will not be 4k and the game don't launch on february. Also it's for the best to wait a bit more and have a game less bugged because when the witcher 2 came out it wasn' done completly it come out without intro ect and we have to wait until the the enhanced version for a clean game.

Although I am a first hour fan (I have the 1 and the 2 on collector, books, ect) I prefer to wait and have a fulll game
 
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Vigilance.492

Ex-moderator
#1,910
Dec 11, 2014
adamastor said:
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Those images impressed me a lot, along with the Debut Gameplay Trailer, going back 2 years ago... However compared to recent footage, it looks very obviously like Pre-Alpha footage. Even the 35 minute Demo is way ahead of those early screenshots. The lighting, vegetation, LOD/Draw Distance is all better and not to mention the sharpening is GONE (Big positive). Really the only consistent element is the character models.

Unless you were trying to make some other point here that I've misunderstood, those early images were without a doubt very rough in comparison to what we've seen recently, even the accused "downgraded" stuff (General Caranthir issue aside) looks better than the E3 2013 trailers/screenshots.

I don't think anything is wrong with the updated Engine (It's not a new engine, it's still the RedEngine just an updated version), I just think they've run into complications, as you might expect when making the huge changes required for the game from W2 > W3, and they've ended up with more issues and bugs than they expected. Whether this leads to an actual downgrade, well we'll find out come May 19th, be skeptical, but I say ultimately give CDPR a chance.
 
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Zabanzo

Senior user
#1,911
Dec 11, 2014
adamastor said:
just for comparing i search the first set of images from W3 i remember this images, this images have 2 years and if i recall correctly they said the graphics will be much much better. well guys compare this 2 years old screenshots and take your conclusions, even the horse has fur tech, something is very wrong here.
IMO there is something wrong with the new engine, i stick with my idea that the "no loading time" banner toke a big chunk of performance.
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And the graphics are much better... 35 min. gameplay is huge improvement over those screens.
 
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Doctalen

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#1,912
Dec 11, 2014
@adamastor

Love that Tavern screenshot. I hope they it's still that populated and with the same atmosphere on release.
 
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Geralt_of_bsas

Forum veteran
#1,913
Dec 11, 2014
I am one of the few people i guess that really like the sharpening filter, but the one thats in the game, or was in the TW2. When it was added there, in the finished game, AA and other things softened the edges, yet they kept the sharpening filter's positive effect on texture detail.

In TW3's screens it just makes everything look more aliased and artificial, but you can still see the texture detail is imo better, it has this rough look that I actually like. As long as new footage doesnt use this, the textures will never look as detailed as in some previous screens I think.

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LucyTheWitcher

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#1,914
Dec 11, 2014
So... when is the new version of "Elder Blood" being put up?
 
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Snake9027

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#1,915
Dec 11, 2014
JDionysusL said:
So... when is the new version of "Elder Blood" being put up?
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minicrom

Senior user
#1,916
Dec 11, 2014
JDionysusL said:
So... when is the new version of "Elder Blood" being put up?
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I ask myself the same question...


SN@KE: This is not the new version of CDPR. The new version is supposed to be on youtube too. At least I don't think so...
 
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Snake9027

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#1,917
Dec 11, 2014
minicrom said:
SN@KE: This is not the new version of CDPR. The new version is supposed to be on youtube too. At least I don't think so...
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The "new" version is that one (uncompressed version).
 
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Mr. Barvo

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#1,918
Dec 11, 2014
Geralt_of_bsas said:
I am one of the few people i guess that really like the sharpening filter, but the one thats in the game, or was in the TW2. When it was added there, in the finished game, AA and other things softened the edges, yet they kept the sharpening filter's positive effect on texture detail.

In TW3's screens it just makes everything look more aliased and artificial, but you can still see the texture detail is imo better, it has this rough look that I actually like. As long as new footage doesnt use this, the textures will never look as detailed as in some previous screens I think.

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I think the terrain and vegetation looks way better in the early screenshots, probably due to better textures. Though characters and hair is much better now IMO.
 
Geralt_of_bsas

Geralt_of_bsas

Forum veteran
#1,919
Dec 11, 2014
Mr. Barvo said:
I think the terrain and vegetation looks way better in the early screenshots, probably due to better textures. Though characters and hair is much better now IMO.
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Im not so sure its the textures, in fact I doubt it, but like I said, what I do know is that sharpening really made some things look way better.
 
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KA1N3R

Rookie
#1,920
Dec 11, 2014
Jack Bauer 24 said:
It's bizarre that they actually responded to that. Are people really calling this game vaporware now? Two delays is a serious thing, but vaporware is the scariest word you can use in gaming.
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*coughs* Final Fantasy XV

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honestly, this thread is pretty pointless right now.
The game has just been delayed and we have basically no new infos and really all arguments have already been said.
 
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