Older Release Date and General Speculation Thread.

[Calistarius]

This sounds like pretty reasonable to me but it's missing couple factors.

Firstly, CDPR has started another developer team to handle CP2077 already in 2013. Of course, development times in modern AAA games tend to stretch so 2019 is a very valid guess. What makes me suspect an earlier release is the information CDPR provided in March about them planning on releasing another AAA game before 2021. Two games before 2021 wouldn't fit that 4-years-per-game cycle so at least it's not a schedule CDPR is planning on.

It is possible that it could come out earlier yeah... I mean they have said that currently there are more people working on Cyberpunk 2077 then there ever was during even the most intense grinding moments for the Witcher 3 (unless I am missremembering this)... so it could be conceivable that they might be able to crank out the game much faster.

But... I think CDPR's increase in employes, and especially higher numbers of people on CP2077 then they had on W3, partly comes down to that they probably have to compensate for the fact that CP2077 will apperantly be bigger then even the Witcher 3.

In all probability that second game will be worked on at the same time as CP2077 by a secondary team, with a large amount of people in the company being flexible and movable between the two projects (because all the people are not part of all stages of the creation of a game). So while CP2077 has been in post production since a little bit befor 2013... this second project has probably not had it's major post production start to happen untill maybe recently (they really had to get everything Witcher 3 reated out of the way first after all).

So if we look at it a bit closer... let's asume that CDPR does not want to have to work on more then maybe 2 large games at the same time, where the absolut majority of their people are only working on two big things at the same time, that means that the second project would not really had goten any kind of significant amount of people on it untill after the W3 related stuff... where as DP2077 has had some people working on it for more then 3 years now, where that team has during those years probably slowly ramped up in size, untill sometime late last year or during this year then blew up in size once W3 was done with. At the same time as W3 was finally done this second project has now finally probably goten it's first increase in team size where the post production has seriously ramped up now... artists are probably starting to draw up the major concept art for second project (something which CP2077 probably already has gone through during the last 3 or so years).

I would not be surpriced if CDPR are maybe looking at trying to increase the amount of games they put out there... from 1 game every 4'ish years... to maybe 1 game every 2-3'ish years.

I would not either be surpriced if the second project is a fantasy based project as well. So that CDPR's people don't have to be bogged down in just making one kind of genre constantly... like how they have had to do during the last 10-15 years with only working on the Witcher games. That way their people get to switch between fantasy and sci-fi every few years. It's pretty much what you have during the past 10 or so years seen from two of the other major RPG developing companies, Bioware and Bethesda. It is a good idea to, because it keeps your people on their toes, less bored workers because every few years what they work on changes, not to mention that those people also become much better at a greater variaty of things and styles and what not... so in a lot of ways it is a win win scenario by doing something like that.

But yeah... it's just a guess and all.

 

[NightSavior]

But... I think CDPR's increase in employes, and especially higher numbers of people on CP2077 then they had on W3, partly comes down to that they probably have to compensate for the fact that CP2077 will apperantly be bigger then even the Witcher 3.
In all probability that second game will be worked on at the same time as CP2077 by a secondary team, with a large amount of people in the company being flexible and movable between the two projects (because all the people are not part of all stages of the creation of a game). So while CP2077 has been in post production since a little bit befor 2013... this second project has probably not had it's major post production start to happen untill maybe recently (they really had to get everything Witcher 3 reated out of the way first after all).

You do have a point. Of course, it all comes down to how much and what kind of pre-production (and development) was done before the release of TW3. I agree with about the amount of employees too: Having more people work on the project doesn't necessary make it finish faster. In addition to the game supposedly being bigger than TW3, it's also harder to manage larger amounts of employees, so adding one developer doesn't have as big of an effect as with a smaller studio.

Still, combining all the hints, I have a sensation that CP2077 was (at least originally) meant to come out in 2017 - if not even late 2016. This might be the hype talking in me though but I'm expecting to hear something next year...

 

[Calistarius]

I am also hoping to hear something next year. I do though expect it to be some minor info really. But... if it is not, and it's a "Oh and by the way... the game will be out in only a few months, towards the end of the year." ... then I will be just as happy as any other person.

I guess I am just tempering (think that is the right word atleast) my expectations a bit for the getting information part... since I have been here for 3 years already and so far the info has always been very scarce. I think the last "major" bit of information came out last year... or maybe during the first few months of this year.... I forget which... XD

Basicly my hype for this game has for a long time now been turned down to what we in Swedish call "sparlåga"... directly translated it would mean something like "save/saving-flame"... the meaning of the word represent something of the nature of that you only feed "the thing" a minimal amount of fuel/energy/stuff to just keep it going, to make sure that it still lives and that it lasts for as long as possible.

Once the amount of information about the game starts to ramp up though, and start becoming more regular... then my hype, my flame, for the game will blow up in a wild raging bonfire, like someone threw gasoline or something on it. XD

 

[Suhiira]

Basicly my hype for this game has for a long time now been turned down to what we in Swedish call "sparlåga"... directly translated it would mean something like "save/saving-flame"... the meaning of the word represent something of the nature of that you only feed "the thing" a minimal amount of fuel/energy/stuff to just keep it going, to make sure that it still lives and that it lasts for as long as possible.

Good word ... I think I'll steal it ... wait ... I'm 1/4th Swede it BELONGS to me !
Mua-ha-ha-ha ...

 

[Calistarius]

Good word ... I think I'll steal it ... wait ... I'm 1/4th Swede it BELONGS to me !
Mua-ha-ha-ha ...

Heh!

Have I got a word for you then... let's see how much of that 1/4th of a Swede has rubbed of on you or not. XD The word is probably one of the most Swedish words there is, a word which (probably) has to one degree or another shaped who we Swedes are as a people and country. The word of: "Lagom".

How ever... this is not a word which would really fit Cyberpunk I think... it's just to much of a sensible word to fit in a world like Cyberpunk. XD

 

[Suhiira]

An even better word since it's also Norwegian, which I'm also 1/4 of ... in case you're wondering also 1/4 Dane and the other 1/4 is a mix of English, Sioux, and Dutch.
Gotta love us American mutts.

As to Lagom ... The connotations in Norwegian, however, are somewhat different from Swedish ... fitting, suitable. Which I rather like.

 

[NightSavior]

I am also hoping to hear something next year. I do though expect it to be some minor info really. But... if it is not, and it's a "Oh and by the way... the game will be out in only a few months, towards the end of the year." ... then I will be just as happy as any other person.
I guess I am just tempering (think that is the right word atleast) my expectations a bit for the getting information part... since I have been here for 3 years already and so far the info has always been very scarce.

About the same for me, except only about 2 years of wait under me: I like hyping and waiting for interesting, new games but I'm not burning myself with the anticipation. We have a similar word in Finnish for "sparlåga", it's "säästöliekki".

This makes me wonder, is everyone in the CP2077 from northern Europe or related?

 

[Suhiira]

If they use the CP2020 Night City there is a large Asian community.

 

[Sardukhar]

This makes me wonder, is everyone in the CP2077 from northern Europe or related?

Better not be. As Su says, lots of non-Caucasians are present and cultures from all over the planet. Night City is a Corporate-run city and they pull from all over.

 

[NightSavior]

Better not be. As Su says, lots of non-Caucasians are present and cultures from all over the planet. Night City is a Corporate-run city and they pull from all over.

Ah, there's a typo on my part: I meant to say "is everyone on the CP2077 FORUM from northern Europe or related?"

 

[Suhiira]

Well ... I use to be a pasty white gurl ... now I'm a pasty grey one ...

 

[Lazerlatte]

All I know is, either CDPR has gone absolutely insane... or the have gone absolutely insane AND are directing that insanity into something that transcends video games. If they are seriously applying for government grants, then I expect something closer to a massive piece of simulation software that just happens to be like a game enough to be played as one.

Question is, are they wanting to have more money for increasing productivity or for increasing the overall quality of the product? Like, they could do what most teams could do in like say 10 years and only take 5-6 years, or they could take 10 years to make the mother of all games. At least that's how I'm assuming game development funding works. More money can get more employees and more streamlined hardware, which reduces the length of the development of said game, right?

 

[Calistarius]

I think that things like grants from the government for things like this is not as uncommon in Europe as it might be in other places like America or something.

I mean heck... in Sweden you can get 3 different kinds of grants from the government by just playing pen and paper roleplaying games! XD Of course to get that you first have to be a registered "Association". One of the grants you can get is for the part of that your actually opperating an association... another one is for if you need to rent a location/building or something to do what it is you do... and the 3rd one is where you get X amount of money per "youth" member (people between the age of 6 and 26). Basicly this is the kind of grants that someone who maybe is running some kind of youth center where kids can go to and do all kinds of activities... or maybe if your running a sports team of some kind (professional or amatures alike), etc. And I am pretty sure there are some several kinds of grants that something like a gaming company could potentuially get from the government in Sweden as well.

Of course the sums of this is not unbelivably high or anything (I don't know how often you got it either... if it was once a year or something)... but it is still useful to have, AND you don't have to actually report what it was you actually used the money on (with the exception of course on the part about renting the location/building thing). You could use it on what ever you felt... be it things like food or snacks, or buying the games, or what ever. For some several years one of the pnp rpg association that my gaming group had contact with (friends of a few of the ones in my gaming group, and people whcih we occationally played games with and went to rpg conventions with etc) used that money to have a somewhat big party each year! Alcoholic and everything... XD Man... the first time I was on any of their parties was... pretty brutal. XD And if noone cleaned up afterwards... well... then I would feel sorry for the kids of that preschool which they had rented the building from... XD

So... to me it does not sound like CDPR might be doing something insane or something... but rather that they are maybe utilizing what ever is available to them from the Polish government because of X reason.

 

[Suhiira]

Why not request a grant for something you already plan/need to do for a game you're developing if one is available?
Polish jokes aside I've never thought of CDPR as stupid.

 

[lord_blex]

or the have gone absolutely insane AND are directing that insanity into something that transcends video games. [...]

heh, talk about unrealistic expectations

 

[Meccanical]

It's just going to be a video game.

Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Suhiira]

It's just going to be a video game.

Nothing more nothing less.

I hope not.

Over time some game have redefined the industry, CP2077 is an excellent opportunity for CDPR to do so.

But then again a car is just a car ...

 

[Sardukhar]

No, I think Mec is right. In the end, it's going to be a video game. Hopefully a hella good one, but still in the end a video game. If it changes your world, great. But don't bet on it.

 

[Mebrilia]

"It's a Videogame" what argument is that is not even an argument...

Quoting a my dear friends that soon will be renown
"What if tolkien told: hey is a book for children don't need politics or functional language or race diversity.." see is what give this book depth.

 

[Meccanical]

I'm not saying that it can't be a great video game, possibly genre-defining even, but it still will be at the end of the day, a video game.

By that I mean it will have limitations, it can't be everything for everyone.