Option to censor nudity?

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Hi I'm an X Box One X player I respect the fact that the game will be very mature. I would like to request an option to censor the nudity in the game, but the devs should keep an option for players to switch between NSFW and SFW gameplay. I support the rights for players to experience the game as they wish. My concern is that around family audiences there is less privacy around family members, or children I would not want them to be watching such scenes with me. By allowing this option it liberates all players and their perception. Asexual people in the community would also appreciate it. Thanks!
 
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I believe the nudity that exists in the game may be a bit to prevalent a part of Cyberpunk. End result is, this is not a game that is meant as "fun for the whole family" by any means.

The trouble is how it works in practice. In order for a character model that was once "nude" to be "covered", it would need to be rebuilt and retextured, and then that clothed version programmed into the game...for every possible instance of nudity. While it's technically possible, I would imagine it may not be an options because of the sheer amount of work that would need to go into it -- in addition to the fact that it's not in line with the creators' vision for the game.
 
but the Japanese localised version will have these desexualised (and de-gored) assets. i think it would be nice if CDPR made them toggle-able in the game, maybe as a free dlc later? if they haven't already accounted for this for their wider global audience

Sweet! A detail that slipped by me. I guess the request for a toggle or DLC would be in order!
 

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Yeah agree with having an option. I'm thinking of player CP2077 on PC but originally was going to play on Xbox, meaning on a big T.V. in the living room, yeah... not really comfortable with nudity on a big screen lol. Having the option is always nice.

I have to ask...
Why are you asking for nudity to be censored, but not the violence and gore?

For some people its nudity that bothers them more than any amount of bloodshed.
 
Hi I'm an X Box One X player I respect the fact that the game will be very mature. I would like to request an option to censor the nudity in the game, but the devs should keep an option for players to switch between NSFW and SFW gameplay. I support the rights for players to experience the game as they wish. My concern is that around family audiences there is less privacy around family members, or children I would not want them to be watching such scenes with me. By allowing this option it liberates all players and their perception. Asexual people in the community would also appreciate it. Thanks!

But you are ok with your children hearing the profanity and seeing the violence and gore?

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I have to ask...
Why are you asking for nudity to be censored, but not the violence and gore?

Because people have different preferences in life. Sometimes, one thing will bother them, while another will not. If people want, they can request something that will make an experience more to their liking. Sometimes, this request can be met. Other times, it just won't work.

One thing that will never occur, however, is that all people everywhere will share the same likes and dislikes. Therefore, it's very important for everyone to remember that values and a sense of weight are not going to be placed on the same things across the board. And that's perfectly fine.
 
One thing that will never occur, however, is that all people everywhere will share the same likes and dislikes. Therefore, it's very important for everyone to remember that values and a sense of weight are not going to be placed on the same things across the board. And that's perfectly fine.

It is fine, sure. Isn't this why various regions have ratings for games though?
 
Because people have different preferences in life. Sometimes, one thing will bother them, while another will not. If people want, they can request something that will make an experience more to their liking. Sometimes, this request can be met. Other times, it just won't work.

One thing that will never occur, however, is that all people everywhere will share the same likes and dislikes. Therefore, it's very important for everyone to remember that values and a sense of weight are not going to be placed on the same things across the board. And that's perfectly fine.




It's about this sentence,

My concern is that around family audiences there is less privacy around family members, or children I would not want them to be watching such scenes with me.

for me, in the presence of children, both sex and violence are an absolute no go.
So I think it's ok to ask this question.
 
My concern is that around family audiences there is less privacy around family members, or children I would not want them to be watching such scenes with me.

Shouldn't this be something the individual or parent takes responsibility for and polices themselves though?

I understand the concept. Say, you play the game in the living room with kids running around and, based on personal beliefs, feel the kids should not be exposed to the content. Where I get lost is with the thought the game developer should be responsible for implementing features to solve this problem. It seems to me the appropriate action is to refrain from letting these circumstances develop. In other words, don't play the game in front of the kids if you feel exposing them to the content is inappropriate.

An extreme example would be something like, I don't know, pornography. If a person does not want a family member exposed to this content, don't watch it in front of them.

I guess I just don't get why the developer should be responsible for ensuring there is functionality in place to optionally censor every little thing in the game based on the chance someone might be inconvenienced. This is why ratings exist. If a person ignores those ratings it's on them.
 
If censorship is forced upon the player, I dislike it. However, when it's presented as a choice, I don't mind. The reason why someone would want to censor part of the game isn't really relevant anymore, outside of one's own curiosity.

A more interesting question would be: "Is nudity (or violence) required to enrich the game's world or story?". I would say that the Cyberpunk setting is usually harsh and brutal, with little regard for life or the physical body. So, removing nudity might lessen the artistic aspect or aesthetics of the game, which is something the devs might not want to do because of it. While, normally speaking, a broader audience means more revenue.

Practically speaking, the question becomes how easy it is to implement such an optional feature and how many more players the game will attract. If the answer is easy and a lot, then the devs should definitely go for it.
 
It is fine, sure. Isn't this why various regions have ratings for games though?

Exactly. Different people, different regions, different cultures, different customs. All are welcome...but not everyone is going to get what they prefer at all times.

This time, it looks like the request can be met. Wonderful!

Other times, people will have to decide whether to take it, as it is, or leave it.


It's about this sentence,

My concern is that around family audiences there is less privacy around family members, or children I would not want them to be watching such scenes with me.

for me, in the presence of children, both sex and violence are an absolute no go.
So I think it's ok to ask this question.

Okay to ask and discuss? Yes!

Okay to pass judgement, offer personal criticisms, or ridicule?
No.
 
This time, it looks like the request can be met. Wonderful!

It might be able to be met, sure. I don't know if it can be met without compromise though. I'd assume if a certain region insisted on a more censored version of the game it would come packaged with the corresponding assets. Intuitively I'd expect making those assets available in other regions running a "normal" version of the game would mean they must be included with it too. Included in the game as extras.

The larger concern this is a fairly deep rabbit hole. What if one person feels violence, gore, etc. is off-limits but T&A is acceptable? What if another has a personal problem with any type of references to drugs? How far are we going to go with tailoring the experience to the individual?

Again, I assumed this is why entertainment has ratings applied to it. A movie is rated TV-MA. A game is rated 17+ by the ESRB. Obviously, the user can navigate around this type of stuff at their discretion, to an extent. Say, a parent feeling a 15 year old can be exposed to 17+ rated content and allowing them to enjoy the game. This is very different from insisting the game offer an option to omit or hide specific content.

To be clear, I don't take issue with the personal views on these matters. It's a big world and we cannot and will not agree on everything. But.... if the game is advertised and rated to feature mature content then mature content should be expected. The developer already has to jump through enough hoops to meet the applicable criteria for the rating they feel maximizes game sales. They shouldn't be pushed toward an additional layer of self-censorship to cater to every little fringe case.
 
It might be able to be met, sure. I don't know if it can be met without compromise though. I'd assume if a certain region insisted on a more censored version of the game it would come packaged with the corresponding assets. Intuitively I'd expect making those assets available in other regions running a "normal" version of the game would mean they must be included with it too. Included in the game as extras.

The larger concern this is a fairly deep rabbit hole. What if one person feels violence, gore, etc. is off-limits but T&A is acceptable? What if another has a personal problem with any type of references to drugs? How far are we going to go with tailoring the experience to the individual?

Again, I assumed this is why entertainment has ratings applied to it. A movie is rated TV-MA. A game is rated 17+ by the ESRB. Obviously, the user can navigate around this type of stuff at their discretion, to an extent. Say, a parent feeling a 15 year old can be exposed to 17+ rated content and allowing them to enjoy the game. This is very different from insisting the game offer an option to omit or hide specific content.

To be clear, I don't take issue with the personal views on these matters. It's a big world and we cannot and will not agree on everything. But.... if the game is advertised and rated to feature mature content then mature content should be expected. The developer already has to jump through enough hoops to meet the applicable criteria for the rating they feel maximizes game sales. They shouldn't be pushed toward an additional layer of self-censorship to cater to every little fringe case.

I'm honestly not sure what you mean. What you're describing is exactly what is done consistently in the world today. This is what censorship laws decide in every country or region, every day of every year. This is what the the experts that sit censorship boards are for. It's their job to decide (as you've put it) "...how far [we are] going to go with tailoring the experience..." whether it's for the the individual, the society, the region, or the country. (Being a censor is a full-time position!)

The key to this, as it is to pretty much anything in the world which can result in any level of argument, is compromise. People need to respect the wishes of others, and they need to respect the roof under which they sit -- whether they like it or not. Is that perfect? Nope. What is?

The issue arises when people start believing that their own, personal interpretations of any matter are somehow superior to others.

(And before anyone tries to play the, "But-that's-what-censors-do-!!!" card -- YES. EXACTLY. That's what the authorities are there for. That's their whole purpose. In order to achieve a compromise, there needs to be a judicial body. So, there will always be a few, unfortunate people tasked with the responsibility of walking the censorship tightrope in high winds, trying to stem off social upheaval. Having a problem with that reality is not having a problem with "censorship"; it's having a problem with authority. [Because, as history shows us, human beings, when left to their own devices, are so, sooo, soooooo amazingly good at solving problems themselves. Without structure or leadership. :rolleyes: If people don't like authorities making decisions that affect the masses, I recommend they try settling Mars. Maybe that will be different. But I doubt it.])

No. The long and the short of it is that releasing controversial material in any form across differing censorship laws will require compromise -- but it's the same consideration both ways:

1.) As a censor, do I want to forego all of the economic gains, popularity, and satisfaction that I stand to receive if I reject this material? Do the gains for censoring it outweigh the gains for allowing it?

2.) As a creator, do I want to forego all of the economic gains, popularity, and satisfaction that I stand to receive if I allow the censorship of my material? Do the gains for resisting the censorship outweigh the gains for allowing it?

Hence, we have the system we have today.

Now, my personal opinion -- despite everything I just wrote -- is that I hate censorship. I believe that people need to be responsible for their own actions and decisions. I believe that trying to suppress a thing immediately makes it taboo...which in turn, is most appealing to young and impressionable minds -- exactly the minds that the censorship is trying to protect. I believe censorship exacerbates most situations instead of managing them...and the proof is in the pudding. Anyone on this planet can access any material they want if they have enough tech savvy. And that's a skill that's becoming commonplace. "Censoring" something is basically putting a neon sign over the offending material that reads, "All the cool, taboo stuff you're looking for is RIGHT HERE!" And people are going to see it anyway.

But -- despite everything I just wrote -- I do not support chaos and disorder. Censorship is in place, and using the systems we have is far more important to me than trying to "revolutionize" everything every 15 minutes. No solid, constructive change ever happens quickly. Plus, everything will always turn out exactly as it must, regardless of how we feel about it. So learning to deal with the situations at hand and just, gently, nudge them in a certain direction is the absolute best anyone can ever do...without making things worse.

In other words...compromise.

 
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