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You missed my point friend. I meant that in the classification reports, the writers are careful not giving V any gender, always saying "the player" or "the main character".
While the person sexually assaulted is defined as a "she". So it would make no sense to suddendly talk about V using "she".
(Sorry if I've been out of line or badly explaining, I'll stop answering. I just wanted to reassure CyberBrett and it seems they understood what I meant.)
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You are right, I missed the defining V as a she part. gotcha.
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I don't know why, but this hit me so hard, made my day. Thank you. This is the only response I can really find (the specific moment of this video at this time)
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I'm not really sure what the argument that is being made here is. If it's pro-censorship I can say in the most polite and kind and nicest way possible that I don't care what argument is being made if it's being made for supporting censorship because it's always a logically unsound argument and I can explain exactly why. If I understood correctly, the reason for supporting the censorship of the game is because it will eventually somehow make it into the hands of people who shouldn't have gotten their hands on it, and that for this reason, the game must preemptively be censored to protect people, but I must ask, WHO will protect the people who want an artistically free and passionately made UNCENSORED experience? WHO will protect us from everyone who wants us to have a lessened and diminished experience for the sake of saving people from their own responsibilities to protect their younger family members by simply playing the game behind a locked door, and placing the game inside a locked drawer or using a good computer password?
By the same logic that the game will eventually find its way into the hands of children, Should we also ban all knives, blenders, hammers, nails, and every other tool just because these things are commonly found in every single house's kitchen or garage in the world, just because children can possibly find them?
Should we ban soup because it might be too hot?
Should we ban soap because children or really anybody might slip and fall down because soap is slippery?
Maybe we should just ban everything in life, because everything is dangerous.
Or, we could just be responsible people, parents, brothers, and sisters, and let everyone just live life, because covering everything in the entire world with excessive and unnecessary red tape until every single last person also has red tape covering their own mouths and every artist or movie maker or game developer has red tape covering their fingers and all of their customers and fans have red tape covering their eyes never once made life easier or safer, only slower and more tedious and less fun. Red Tape and Censorship take the expression and the passion and the creativity out of art, and make art, essentially not art any more because it is no longer what the artist envisioned.Not a single thing we do as human beings is ever going to make life stop being life. Life is life. We can try to avoid this fact and live in constant fear of everything (including things that are not really a big problem, and also incredibly easily solvable issues), or we can accept it and learn from it and become better human beings and finally move on. Hiding from the truth does not make the truth less true, it makes us less true.
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If it's part of the story, so be it. I don't like it, but that's the point, It's going to make me feel something for my character, or for another character. I'm gonna feel feelings, and I'm going to make sure that the villains in the game face the same level of consequences for their actions as V does. Emotional investment is a huge part of immersion. OF COURSE Nobody wants this in real life, and nobody would ever want this in real life, but these horrible things are a reality in the very cruel world we live in, and Cyberpunk2077 is not just some random video game, it's a reflection of our world, and a warning of a possibly worse future. It's truly a beautiful thing because it is a guide book for humanity that shows us exactly what NOT to do while we are early and soon enough to catch ourselves and actually still have a chance to change our course for the better.
I hope everything I said in this post is taken in the nicest kindest most polite way possible with the best intentions, and I hope I did very well at conveying understanding in a way that was calm and reasonable. I hope everyone can in good faith give me the benefit of the doubt and understand my points without feeling as if I am being troublesome. I hope that I in some way made sense, and somehow helped share some perspective that helped somehow. I just really feel like all these things really needed to be said for a very long time and I feel like I can finally breath a little bit more easily now, and I hope you all have a nice day or a good night. Peace.
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People are asking for an ingame option to Censor Certain things for them, not to have the game be Censored by a third party for everyone.I don't know why, but this hit me so hard, made my day. Thank you. This is the only response I can really find (the specific moment of this video at this time)
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I'm not really sure what the argument that is being made here is. If it's pro-censorship I can say in the most polite and kind and nicest way possible that I don't care what argument is being made if it's being made for supporting censorship because it's always a logically unsound argument and I can explain exactly why. If I understood correctly, the reason for supporting the censorship of the game is because it will eventually somehow make it into the hands of people who shouldn't have gotten their hands on it, and that for this reason, the game must preemptively be censored to protect people, but I must ask, WHO will protect the people who want an artistically free and passionately made UNCENSORED experience? WHO will protect us from everyone who wants us to have a lessened and diminished experience for the sake of saving people from their own responsibilities to protect their younger family members by simply playing the game behind a locked door, and placing the game inside a locked drawer or using a good computer password?
By the same logic that the game will eventually find its way into the hands of children, Should we also ban all knives, blenders, hammers, nails, and every other tool just because these things are commonly found in every single house's kitchen or garage in the world, just because children can possibly find them?
Should we ban soup because it might be too hot?
Should we ban soap because children or really anybody might slip and fall down because soap is slippery?
Maybe we should just ban everything in life, because everything is dangerous.
Not a single thing we do as human beings is ever going to make life stop being life. Life is life. We can try to avoid this fact and live in constant fear of everything (including things that are not really a big problem, and also incredibly easily solvable issues), or we can accept it and learn from it and become better human beings and finally move on. Hiding from the truth does not make the truth less true, it makes us less true.
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If it's part of the story, so be it. I don't like it, but that's the point, It's going to make me feel something for my character, or for another character. I'm gonna feel feelings, and I'm going to make sure that the villains in the game face the same level of consequences for their actions as V does. Emotional investment is a huge part of immersion. OF COURSE Nobody wants this in real life, and nobody would ever want this in real life, but these horrible things are a reality in the very cruel world we live in, and Cyberpunk2077 is not just some random video game, it's a reflection of our world, and a warning of a possibly worse future. It's truly a beautiful thing because it is a guide book for humanity that shows us exactly what NOT to do while we are early and soon enough to catch ourselves and actually still have a chance to change our course for the better.
I hope everything I said in this post is taken in the nicest kindest most polite way possible with the best intentions, and I hope I did very well at conveying understanding in a way that was calm and reasonable. I hope everyone can in good faith give me the benefit of the doubt and understand my points without feeling as if I am being troublesome. I hope that I in some way made sense, and somehow helped share some perspective that helped somehow. I just really feel like all these things really needed to be said for a very long time and I feel like I can finally breath a little bit more easily now, and I hope you all have a nice day or a good night. Peace.
True, Censorship, is mostly wrong and ineffective, but clearly, not having things like Graphic Sex or Genital Customization won't have any effect on the actual game, if these things were not implemented in the game from the start, nobody would've even think about it let alone complain about it, let alone calling these things artistic to justify it for some personal reason, it definitely should not be Censored with an Iron fist, but no need to justify it with a million different philosophical excuses either, best way to be protect yourself from harm on your humanity is Critical thinking, no need to Censor but it is needed to educate yourself and your children enough so they will be able to know what is good and what is bad themselves, want to play Cyberpunk? Why not, but there is no need to agree and justify every single thing implemented and stated in the game, you can play the game, enjoy it, while being aware that certain things in it were wrong, and I'm not talking about the things in the world of Cyberpunk, I mean things that are wrong with the game itself.
What is "True Censorship"? What would "False Censorship" be then?
>Implying some Censorship is okay
I disagree. I strongly and passionately care about these features and it would completely change the way I look at the game and it would permanently alter my entire experience if this things were missing. It would never be the same, and I would feel as if I was missing out in a very huge way.
Again I must disagree. It is the most impersonal and selfless thing an artist could ever do, to give their audience the tools to modify their art by choosing options such as genital customization as an example, because this allows the audience to use the different parts of the art (settings in the customization menu) to actually personalize their character in a deep, very profound way. It isn't one person with a personal reason, it's millions and millions of people with their own unique personal reasons to create their own character that speaks true to themselves and makes them personally happy. Talk about CDPR making countless unique and different and special individuals all over the world ALL happy. To say that it takes some serious dedication to make so many different people say "hey you know, I'm happy with this" across such a wide and massive and audience with so much variety is simply an understatement.
I would go even further to say: There is nothing to justify in the first place. No crime has been committed. Nobody is making excuses or apologizing for making a masterpiece or for enjoying that masterpiece. It's a beautiful thing and people have the right to celebrate it. There is no guilt or shame involved, and the work of art as well as the artists "pull no punches" as the expression goes, take no shortcuts, and without apology or fear or hesitation, passionately express themselves, and in turn allow the audience to express themselves as well.
Should it be censored with a fist of sand, or a fist of icecream?
The fact that some want that it should even be censored with a fist of any kind at all is telling.If a younger family member is around, I will play behind a locked door, or maybe I will turn off the computer and give my full attention to them and play the game later. I'm not going to go and ask that the game have a large amount of things removed. If I'm in the kitchen, I'm going to take great care that when I'm cutting vegetables with a knife that the younger family member is not near my knife and understand that they should not touch it. When I'm the shower, I try to be careful so I don't slip. All of these things require effort on my own part as a responsible adult. If I want to remove all of that effort and responsibility from my life, I'm basically guaranteed to have my hand held to such a degree that I won't even be able to walk in any direction other than where the hand is pulling me to or away from. The question is, do I want to be an adult, or do I want someone else to be an adult for me? At which point do we decide who is more adult based on a room full of adults trying to pass all of the responsibility to only one of them under the excuse and false pretense that this somehow saves or protects them?
What is more safe, a room full of adults that are all responsible, or a room full of adults pretending to be children, being guided by one adult with all the power?
This has extremely direct connections and parallels to the Mega-Corporations in Cyberpunk2077. Will V decide to do what they are told but not follow their dreams, or will they do whatever they can to take responsibility and actually make their dreams come true? We get to experience the story and the options.
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What about a profanity filter? A violence filter? A gore one? A filter for topics which I or anybody else might find unfomfortable? There shouldn't be any option at all. CDPR is forced to censor some parts because of laws in some countries but if these regulations aren't there they should stay true to their vision.
Should we add optional censorship to games to appeal to a wider range of players?
I love the Witcher III, but I dislike the nudity. Cyberpunk will have more of it which is why I'm apprehensive to preorder it. I love the idea of cyborgs and all that, I just would like to play comfortably without ruining others' fun. I would love it if an option were patched in after release (So it doesn't push back the release date) to blur out all the nudity. Now, I don't mind blood and gore but others might. Maybe an option could be added to remove those things as well. An option could also be added to bleep out coarse language. If you could add these things to other games like the Witcher III that would be great. I think it might increase your sales because you could have a game that has different ratings under certain circumstances. I'm not sure if ESRB would handle it that way, but I think it's worth a try. Also, I think parental controls would be good to take full advantage of these options. I don't think it would matter if a kid could just change the option. In my case, though, I just don't want to see that part of the game.
I love the Witcher III, but I dislike the nudity. Cyberpunk will have more of it which is why I'm apprehensive to preorder it. I love the idea of cyborgs and all that, I just would like to play comfortably without ruining others' fun. I would love it if an option were patched in after release (So it doesn't push back the release date) to blur out all the nudity. Now, I don't mind blood and gore but others might. Maybe an option could be added to remove those things as well. An option could also be added to bleep out coarse language. If you could add these things to other games like the Witcher III that would be great. I think it might increase your sales because you could have a game that has different ratings under certain circumstances. I'm not sure if ESRB would handle it that way, but I think it's worth a try. Also, I think parental controls would be good to take full advantage of these options. I don't think it would matter if a kid could just change the option. In my case, though, I just don't want to see that part of the game.
The thing I don't understand about arguments against this optional feature is that it doesn't have to effect everyone. It would be optional. Only adults that want to censor would censor. I'm not putting flies in your ointment. Why do you have to rain on my parade? I'm seriously thinking about not buying this game because of it's nudity and I'm just making an effort here to appeal to reason and tbh mercy. It won't effect you. People complain about art and how it's demeaning to the creators. If I buy a painting of a nude woman is it not my right mark of the nudity to enhance the experience for me and hang it in my home? It's not legal to mod out the nudity so it does fall to the creators to do this. I can't legally mark off the nudity of that nude painting so I'm asking the painter to modify it. The painter and CDPR could both deny my request. They probably will. I just sad I'll miss out because I'm reverent to the least amount of modesty because I have eyes only for someone I would entertain the idea of wedding.
I would agree to having an option to turn on/off nudity and swearing and blood.
Yes, the setting itself is mature, but having the option just allows more reach.
Yes, the setting itself is mature, but having the option just allows more reach.
Don't think there's been a final announcement on this yet, but --
We do know that certain options are being provided to make the game "stream-friendly", so this may include the ability to censor profanity as well. Hard to tell for sure though, as that would require either edits to individual sound files...or a separate function to be written to basically edit individual sounds from the sound files. Either way, that's a taller order than editing art assets to sensor the nudity.
CDPR is pretty rigorous with what they put on offer, though. We'll see!
I agree. I personally wont be censoring my game, BUT I have friends that have kids. and they've told me before how hard it is for them to even get any time to even play a game in with having a fulltime job and a wife that doesn't share their interest in gaming... On top of that, they have to be careful what they play as they don't want to expose their children to things they're too young to see, words they might repeat, and images that may cause nightmares..
So I'm 100% on board with OPTIONAL censor blurs and bleeps..
So I'm 100% on board with OPTIONAL censor blurs and bleeps..
CP2077 is a game for adults with themes for adults, even if you censor the said content there is still enough left that is not suitable for children.
I can understand that there are people who personally have a problem with these topics and if it is censored why not, but not to make the game accessible to a younger audience.
Its not about making the game accessible for younger audiences. its about recognizing that not everyone has a private game room and/or can just wait till everyone goes to be and stay up till 1:30 in the morning playing. I know a lot of people that have wives and kids that have to do their gaming in the livingroom, and also have to be in bed at 9;00 at night, and a lot of them are getting tired of playing fortnight, so as not to expose their kids to mature content. lol
Of course it's about that, you wrote it yourself so that parents with less free time can play the game in the presence of children.
certainly not that the children are sitting on the couch, but they still have access to the game and the game has more than enough content that is unsuitable for children.
Out of curiosity, do you really need to be around your kids? Like, are they old enough to be in a seperate room by themselves? If that's the case why not game in your bedroom.
I'm not against having this as an option. If it is censored BY DESIGN...THEN, I WILL have a problem...( Yes, I am talking to certain entertainment platforms that have intimated that they plan on doing said censoring....Not mentioning any names for legal reasons....They know who they are.)
I’m gonna be honest, this is a game with a lot of mature elements ( gore, body horror, swearing, sex, drugs ) that’s why it has the rating it has, so if that ain’t your cup of thee, don’t buy it.
We should not censor artistic work. It's a slippery slope. When you give into initial requests for censorship then more intrusive demands are likely to be made in the future. Why are we living in an age where all of society has to cater to the most sensitive and/or fragile people on the planet? We cannot sustain a functional civilization that way.
People need to ask themselves if this is a game for them, or alternatively they must toughen up and expose themselves to what makes them uncomfortable. If you have young kids then you should hire a babysitter while you play the game; or you could wait to play the game until the kids are old enough to play the game for themselves.
The real world is harsh and painful. Cyberpunk 2077 is just a game.
People need to ask themselves if this is a game for them, or alternatively they must toughen up and expose themselves to what makes them uncomfortable. If you have young kids then you should hire a babysitter while you play the game; or you could wait to play the game until the kids are old enough to play the game for themselves.
The real world is harsh and painful. Cyberpunk 2077 is just a game.
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