Orion - continue V story or begin new one?

[Guest 4719259]

The Devil: who really think Arasaka is going to help us ?

I do. )) The Arasaka are an honorable and respected family known for their love of justice. Moreover, Night City owes its independent (from the NUSA) existence to them. Being Arasaka's confidant is a great honor for V. ))

I just realized that all of these ending could be written as Alt having manipulated events all along.

Exactly.
The only problem is that this simple true line is very hard to prove, even to those who know the game well.
It takes a long, complicated and seemingly contradictory chain of proof.

 

[jeancastex]

I do. )) The Arasaka are an honorable and respected family known for their love of justice. Moreover, Night City owes its independent (from the NUSA) existence to them. Being Arasaka's confidant is a great honor for V. ))

You planned to give the relic back to Saburo after the heist with Dex ?

 

[Guest 4719259]

You planned to give the relic back to Saburo after the heist with Dex ?

I didn't want to go there at all, honestly, but Jackie made me (due to his low intelligence and low social background).

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Honestly I doubt CDPR will continue V story in Orion. I guess like the original tabletop games, we will have a substencial time jump between Cyberpunk 2077 and Orion (Cyberpunk 2013, Cyberpunk 2020, Cyberpunk Red : 2045 and the game, Cyberpunk 2077).
Time jump which will help to explain why the world is the "same" despite of 2077 events (i.e: Sun ending > Arasaka toke a serious hit in 2077, but years later, managed to become the most powerful corporation again. Devil ending > Nothing changed, Arasaka still the most powerful corporation and so on). Beside, it will be ideal to add new "crazy" technologies and/or cyberwares which didn't exist in 2077.

At best, we will likely hear "story" about V, a legend in 2077 who did crazy things, like for Morgan Blackhand. We don't really know if he/she still alive, where he/she is now,... but that's all.

 

[alittleLowkey]

Why would you like all endings (or almost), to be cannon, when in game you decide to end the story ?

The Star: end of V's life as a merc in Night City.
The Devil: who really think Arasaka is going to help us ?
The Tower: you becomes Mr/Ms nobody, like Dex said.

The only ending that is really open for a sequel is The Sun IMO.

The Star: The Aldecados manages to find a way to prolong V.s life thanks to their substantial connections with other corpos. V now has a projected life span of at least another ten years.
The Devil: Arasaka decides they want to use V for a mission, think Altered carbon if you have seen it, and download V.s engram in a body.
The Tower: After having worked for NUSA at Langely for a couple of years V manages to find a way to restore their combat implants and starts working as a agent for Militech only for something to happen that makes them a merc again.

So I'd say that with decently competent writer all of them could work. Tower is probably the easiest one since it only requires that V finds away to become a badass merc again. Tower also has the benefit of having all the old friends turned their back on V, so they have to build new friendships and they could try and salvage the ones they lost.

 

[LadyMiseryAli]

Why would you like all endings (or almost), to be cannon, when in game you decide to end the story ?

The Star: end of V's life as a merc in Night City.
The Devil: who really think Arasaka is going to help us ?
The Tower: you becomes Mr/Ms nobody, like Dex said.

The only ending that is really open for a sequel is The Sun IMO.

Because not everyone chose The Sun? You can't canonize one ending when you have multiple, as that would be spitting in the face of those who chose differently. The only ending I could see being 'retconned' would probably be the Suicide ending, as it acts like a 'game over'.

 

[Guest 4719259]

Why would you like all endings (or almost), to be cannon, when in game you decide to end the story ?

The Star: end of V's life as a merc in Night City.
The Devil: who really think Arasaka is going to help us ?
The Tower: you becomes Mr/Ms nobody, like Dex said.

The only ending that is really open for a sequel is The Sun IMO.

Given the Compeky Plaza heist story, I somehow think this will be V's greatest disappointment, and the conditions he'll find himself in afterward will be even worse than in Cyberpunk. This ending looks like a classic “cheese in a mousetrap”.

 

[carprg]

They have to continue V’s history, otherwise what’s the point of the six months twist? That twist makes the story not over, having the resolution of that offscreen would be disappointing, to say the least.

 

[jeancastex]

Given the Compeky Plaza heist story, I somehow think this will be V's greatest disappointment

I would think the same if Mr Blue Eyes wasn't the "Client" tbh.

 

[ExSteam]

For me having multiple endings prevents using V ever again. Unless they are going to basically say...we don't care what you chose, this is what happened according to us. Its like the whole Star Wars debate...legends vs canon, this part doesn't fit so lets just ignore it.

For me leave V's story where it is, who knows what really happened. Another legend where the story grows with each passing year.

 

[carprg]

For me having multiple endings prevents using V ever again.

Why so? The fate of V is pretty much the same in every ending. The fate of Night City is far more problematic to manage, IMO. If they can deal with it, they can deal with V. And regarding V, what’s the alternative? Having their fate solved offscreen? Leaving it unresolved? Then why writing the endings like that? If there’s no more V, why not giving a final resolution instead of adding a new problem last minute?

 

[Dizzy]

We were left with a "cliffhanger" after V left with Panam and Judy then headed to Arizona.
I want to see V get cured, with no wacky side effect after the relics removal
V is out for a while after the surgery, wakes up seeing Panam and Judy at V's bedside.
Panam or Judy saying "It's finally over" *tears in her eyes* as she says this.

 

[Tarille]

For me having multiple endings prevents using V ever again. Unless they are going to basically say...we don't care what you chose, this is what happened according to us

Not entirely true.

They can do the "It's an indeterminate amount of time later and everything managed to defy the odds and get back to normal using undefined means and people only vaguely recall what happened" thing.

Whereby irregardless of the ending people chose V still manages to be a protagonist again.

Of course, such a thing still devalues people's choice of ending by making it not matter (Similar to creating a canon ending). Which makes it a not particularly ideal scenario, but it's still possible.

Why so? The fate of V is pretty much the same in every ending. The fate of Night City is far more problematic to manage, IMO. If they can deal with it, they can deal with V.

Actually quite the opposite. Night City is easier to manage than V. Given that Night City basically doesn't change given the ending. Arasaka takes a hit (But is still a giant mega corporation that will continue to do corpo things and will have the resources to re-establish themselves in NC again just like how JS nuking the tower did nothing) and that's the only major thing to happen to NC with exception of a few characters like Adam Smasher, Yorinobu, Panam, Songbird etc being affected by some decisions

V has things occur such as the inability to ever use cyberware again, complete deletion of their mind (Having their body completely taken over by JS), dying completely... Or just simply leaving NC.

Simply setting Orion somepoint in the future, far enough where characters like Panam, Songbird etc won't be around is enough to completely negate any effect on the actual city that any choice will have.

In order to have V return, Orion would need to directly reference an ending in some way. If only to create some explaination as to how V manages to continue to exist as a Merc post Tower/Temperance/V's death endings.

In addition to this, with V's return, it means Orion is still set within V's lifespan (Outside of some BS like "V's engram was uploaded into a new body like 100 years in the future") meaning that not only will endings need to be resolved for references, but also other decisions that people have made throughout the game. Things like where did people send Jackie's body? What happened with the Voodoo Boys? What happened with Takemura? etc. Things that are likely to be referenced if we continue the story of V.

While it's possible to translate all decisions into Orion (We've seen such methods like save file transfers like in Mass Effect), it does mean needing to do more work, as you'd need to create content around each possible decision.

Meanwhile, simply setting the game far enough away from the events of 2077 that such decisions aren't relevant and you don't have to worry about that. You only have to make content based on the decisions made in Orion itself, drastically reducing workload.

 

[jeancastex]

There is 10 outcomes:
- The Devil:
1) V is saved on Mikoshi.
2) V leaves the Station and return to earth.
- The Sun:
3) V keeps the body.
4) V gives the body to Johnny and go with Alt.
- The Star:
5) V keeps the body.
6) V gives the body and go with Alt.
- The tower:
7) V is cured.

+ 8)suicide ending
+ 9 and 10) secret ending (same as The Sun, but rogue is alive)

You add all the choices you made during the game (romances or not, Dream On quest, Voodoo boys, takemura, ... + did you played Judy's questline, + panam questline + ...) + the expansion (did you played it, did you side with FIA or Songbird, did you kill Songbird, Run this town quest ...).

It's not impossible to makes all this Canon, but i doubt they'll try. That's why i think if they keep V, they will make only 1 ending canon. and just really small choices will have impact (like Run this town, Dream On).

 

[LeKill3rFou]

That's why i think if they keep V, they will make only 1 ending canon.

Suicide ending? I mean, it's by far the easiest ending to continue
(and the only one I would agree with to be considered as a canon^^)

 

[LadyMiseryAli]

There is 10 outcomes:
- The Devil:
1) V is saved on Mikoshi.
2) V leaves the Station and return to earth.
- The Sun:
3) V keeps the body.
4) V gives the body to Johnny and go with Alt.
- The Star:
5) V keeps the body.
6) V gives the body and go with Alt.
- The tower:
7) V is cured.

+ 8)suicide ending
+ 9 and 10) secret ending (same as The Sun, but rogue is alive)

You add all the choices you made during the game (romances or not, Dream On quest, Voodoo boys, takemura, ... + did you played Judy's questline, + panam questline + ...) + the expansion (did you played it, did you side with FIA or Songbird, did you kill Songbird, Run this town quest ...).

It's not impossible to makes all this Canon, but i doubt they'll try. That's why i think if they keep V, they will make only 1 ending canon. and just really small choices will have impact (like Run this town, Dream On).

It really wouldn't be that difficult to make the endings(suicide doesn't count to me as there's no achievement and it acts like a game-over) all canon. The prologue could pick up where each left off, either V about to rob the Crystal Palace, V heading to meet with one of Panam's contacts, V/Johnny heading wherever, or V waking up in the Arasaka facility. Maybe all paths lead to Mr Blue Eyes, who does cure V, but also does V dirty the way Myers did and 'neuters' them and puts them in a coma for two years. That can tie in The Tower ending. Then Act 1 starts with V getting a phonecall from someone who offers a chance to 'reverse' the neutering that was done to them.

This is just one way to do it. I'm sure there are other ways. That's the beauty of being a writer.

 

[DjSpyder]

My concern is depending on ending, the state of the world can be very different. Who lives or dies, Which corps have power, what condition v is in, etc... which could make the starting point, or even the main story unfold in vastly different ways.

I previously have said I can see a way V's story continues from all endings and that they could use "endings" as a replacement for "Life Paths" or do a TW3 style thing early on where you answer questions and that informs the choices you previously made, which then effects the game world, it could potentially work, it's just a lot of moving parts, Purely from a development perspective It's easier to either Ignore the endings, or make one cannon and have that be the "True" ending. Meaning everyone starts from the same point. At least if they continue V's story.

A new protagonist avoids that issue mostly, sure If Rogue is alive, then we know at least one ending didn't happen and small things like that would pop up depending on the ending and the character, but its still a little more open.

They have proven with The Witcher 3, they can adapt the game world to previous choices, It can be done, the question is will they do it? and how well will it work? Will it have Huge effects on the story or minor ones?

I'm torn IF we play as V again I think I'd rather them just make one ending cannon and start from there, it's easier. I like the idea of them giving multiple start points based on "Your Ending" i just worry it will be either too ambitious and not work out so great, OR end up being like life Paths in CP2077 and ultimately not have much of an impact at all but other games have found ways to make it work so who knows. It's a toss up really, I like V but having a new character makes things easier..... But at the end of the day I'm good either way as long as they make a good game that builds on this one in fun and interesting ways.

 

[Guest 4719259]

I would think the same if Mr Blue Eyes wasn't the "Client" tbh.

Or Mr. "Blue Brain Tumor". Basically, just the right pitch for the rogue AIs to finally break out from behind the Black Wall! I get it ))

 

[alittleLowkey]

V has things occur such as the inability to ever use cyberware again, complete deletion of their mind (Having their body completely taken over by JS), dying completely... Or just simply leaving NC.

Well, Orions prologue could easily explain the cyberware one. Giving your body to Johnny just as suicide would probably be dropped or written in a way that resolves it (Johnny gets deleted and replaced with V.s Emgram for example). Basically the only ending that just doesn't work is suicide.

Simply setting Orion somepoint in the future, far enough where characters like Panam, Songbird etc won't be around is enough to completely negate any effect on the actual city that any choice will have.

They could also not set it in Night city just to spice things up a little.

In order to have V return, Orion would need to directly reference an ending in some way. If only to create some explaination as to how V manages to continue to exist as a Merc post Tower/Temperance/V's death endings.

Yes, several posters have pointed this out. It can be solved and I don't think it's even all that hard.

In addition to this, with V's return, it means Orion is still set within V's lifespan (Outside of some BS like "V's engram was uploaded into a new body like 100 years in the future") meaning that not only will endings need to be resolved for references, but also other decisions that people have made throughout the game. Things like where did people send Jackie's body? What happened with the Voodoo Boys? What happened with Takemura? etc. Things that are likely to be referenced if we continue the story of V.

Why would Jackie's body come up? It's only mentioned, what, like once and that is whiter or not Mama Wells invite you to the funeral or is angry at you?

And regarding the Voodoo boys?
'The Voodoo boys was a major gang up until the year 2079. Their exact downfall is shrouded in mystery (as so much else about them) but persistent rumors of deals with AI.s and an unwillingness to cooperate with Netwatch eventually led to Netwatch bringing the hammer down. By the end of summer 2079 the Voodoo boys was officially struck from NCPD.s list of major gangs after their territories had been consumed by the Animals and Valentinons.'

Meanwhile, simply setting the game far enough away from the events of 2077 that such decisions aren't relevant and you don't have to worry about that. You only have to make content based on the decisions made in Orion itself, drastically reducing workload.

Some would still be relevant though, how did Yorinobu die? Is Adam Smasher alive? Is Rouge alive, and if not, how did she die? What happened to Mikoshi? Whar happened to Alt?

You could sidestep these by simply just not mentioning them, kind of like you could sidestep Takemura, Voodoo boys and Jackie's body by not mentioning them.

There is 10 outcomes:
- The Devil:
1) V is saved on Mikoshi.
2) V leaves the Station and return to earth.
- The Sun:
3) V keeps the body.
4) V gives the body to Johnny and go with Alt.
- The Star:
5) V keeps the body.
6) V gives the body and go with Alt.
- The tower:
7) V is cured.

+ 8)suicide ending
+ 9 and 10) secret ending (same as The Sun, but rogue is alive)

You add all the choices you made during the game (romances or not, Dream On quest, Voodoo boys, takemura, ... + did you played Judy's questline, + panam questline + ...) + the expansion (did you played it, did you side with FIA or Songbird, did you kill Songbird, Run this town quest ...).

It's not impossible to makes all this Canon, but i doubt they'll try. That's why i think if they keep V, they will make only 1 ending canon. and just really small choices will have impact (like Run this town, Dream On).

Most of these could be written exactly the same with like one or two throwaway lines to make the difference.

 

[carprg]

In order to have V return, Orion would need to directly reference an ending in some way. If only to create some explaination as to how V manages to continue to exist as a Merc post Tower/Temperance/V's death endings.

As I see it, there’re two endings where V’s story is over, temperance and the tower, the later added with the expansion and the former a variant of two main paths that comes from a last minute decision(I don’t take suicide very seriously). There’s no point to continue an story that is finished so I wouldn’t bother too much with those endings. Some Vs’ path ends there.

The other three endings let V in exactly the same position, they don’t need to do anything there but to continue the story, which doesn’t feel to be over in those.

Meanwhile, simply setting the game far enough away from the events of 2077 that such decisions aren't relevant and you don't have to worry about that.

So, basically making as if CP77 didn’t existed. That would be really disappointing, leaving V’s story unfinished like that and on top of that resetting the world. So all the other plots that we see, with the NUSA, Night Corp, the AIs, are going to be left like that?