Besides this, there is no such thing as a prude Cyberpunk story/game/movie/whatever. Violence and sexuality are important parts of their substance. It simply fits with this dark future world as it fits with the rough (accurate) middle age concept they used in the Witcher games.
Why do I feel like this is a bunch of men talking about being oppressed in a thread about how women are always appear as sex objects in entertainment media?
Really, I just want to say those who are bitching about political correctness need to STFU because you really have no idea what you're talking about ...
But hey, I guess being able to see boobies is more important than anything else, right?
Really, I just want to say those who are bitching about political correctness need to STFU because you really have no idea what you're talking about ...
But hey, I guess being able to see boobies is more important than anything else, right?
Who cares about boobs ?
On tabletop RPG, you may have romances, sex and all the usual "adult content" all teens want in video games. But Video-games will never go farther than any PG13 film, even if rated PEGI 18.
How curious...
Please avoid generalisation/insults against other forum members. Criticise the opinion, but without the ad-hominem attacks.
To dreambled: I am not assuming that your response is directed at my comment, but I will like to mention how wrong your are about this issue as it relates to the CP 2077 trailer, and most examples of women in games. I asked 3 of my non-gamer female friends their opinion of the CP 2077 trailer- they didn't even notice the nakedness of the woman, but all across the board were interested in the game because it looked cool. My point is this: its wrong to assume that all women are going to be offended by the same things as you. Sometimes the offense is a matter of perspective. Of course there are going to be examples of those that find this trailer as "over sexualized", but it's asinine to assume or imply that everyone thinks the same. I am certainly not doing that, but I think it's ridiculous to expect everyone to conform to the same opinion.
I did not say that women will all be offended by what is in a trailer. I do not assume that everyone shares the same opinion nor do I expect people to change their opinion, which is why this topic seems a little pointless to me. You do not understand the things that I refer to, and that is fine, but that goes into the whole point of the conversation. Men making decisions about what is and what is not misogynistic. Can you perhaps see where the problem lies when you have a discussion over an issue and do not have a large voice of the people it directly effects involved in that discussion? And I know dragonbird was directly referring to me, but that's again the problem. Men do not share the same experience as women, period. So how are they going to understand a female's perspective on this issue? It is only if they are directly exposed to it and see just how it effects women that they tend to then understand. Even now people are bashing the reverse opinion and now the sanctity of art and video games is at stake if we try to change things. And it's because why? Some people want to see some sexy exposed men just as we see sexy exposed women?
Okay, sorry. That's all I'll say on the subject. I'll stay out of the conversation.
Okay, sorry. That's all I'll say on the subject. I'll stay out of the conversation.
I think that one problem that arises is the assumption that men have one opinion, and women have another, on this matter. The moment it turns from "Some men/women think this..." to "(All) men/women think this..." the statement itself becomes the problem.
As a woman, I don't like men telling me what I think, or what I should think. I also don't like it when other women act as though they're speaking for me.
Men may not have shared my experiences, but neither have other women - they can speak for themselves, they can even speak for their friends whose opinions they know, but the minute they claim to speak for me simply because I'm the same sex as they are, they're guilty of the same traits as they're accusing others of having. My opinions and life experiences are not solely determined by whether I have XX or XY genes.
The same applies to any suggestion that someone is not entitled to have, or express, an opinion because of their gender. Our opinions are formed not just by personal experience, but by what we witness, what we read, what we're told.
Finally, as a forum moderator, the rule is "no sexism". We believe in equality here, so this applies in all directions. Discussion of sexism is fine, sexist discussion is not. And nobody has received any kind of official warning yet, so consider this a pre-emptive message.
As a woman, I don't like men telling me what I think, or what I should think. I also don't like it when other women act as though they're speaking for me.
Men may not have shared my experiences, but neither have other women - they can speak for themselves, they can even speak for their friends whose opinions they know, but the minute they claim to speak for me simply because I'm the same sex as they are, they're guilty of the same traits as they're accusing others of having. My opinions and life experiences are not solely determined by whether I have XX or XY genes.
The same applies to any suggestion that someone is not entitled to have, or express, an opinion because of their gender. Our opinions are formed not just by personal experience, but by what we witness, what we read, what we're told.
Finally, as a forum moderator, the rule is "no sexism". We believe in equality here, so this applies in all directions. Discussion of sexism is fine, sexist discussion is not. And nobody has received any kind of official warning yet, so consider this a pre-emptive message.
I had a lengthy post ready but I read DB's and she sums up my thoughts pretty well. I'll add that I do believe in the sanctity of art, and I don't believe public opinion should coerce or change it. Also, I have to wonder when other risque games aimed at a younger audience frequently get a free pass on the issue. I see more social crusading over The Witcher and Bioware's games than God of War, Duke Nukem and a slew of other titles that have blatantly sexist material slathered all over the screen.
Dragonbird really hit the nail on the head, and I'd like to reiterate that you can't speak for anyone but yourself when evaluating aspects of art or other media. When we talk about misogyny in games, it becomes a subjective matter, a matter of perspective and perception. Some women find Bayonetta misogynistic, while others don't. It's also counterproductive to minimize male opinion in these types of issues because it's unfair to assume that males cannot appreciate or understand a female perspective.
Siiigh. All this is irrelevant, really. Let's focus on the issue that matters: someone said something nice about a moderator. A MODERATOR. "The Man". Never do that. They wait for your support and approval and then spring on you from behind, out of the inky blackness, roughened claws reaching for your arteries and spine.
Shhh....hear that?
Shhh....hear that?
Hear what? The sound of a moderator swooping down on someone who just called her "The Man"? Now what did I just say about sexist comments?
Besides, I had a manicure yesterday. I can assure you that my claws are not "roughened". Would you like me to show you?
Alternatively, this may be a good time to go back on-topic
I'm fine with sexuality in a videogame. Like the OP said, it's excusable, especially in this game where the sexuality serves the purpose of setting the atmosphere of the story and showing the state society is in. In this case, sexuality is art.
This is a mature game for adults. If kids buy the game, it's their parents fault for not paying attention to what they're playing until after the kids see what they shouldn't be.
This is a mature game for adults. If kids buy the game, it's their parents fault for not paying attention to what they're playing until after the kids see what they shouldn't be.
Kind of unpleasant to see how juvenile some elements of this universe are.
Nothing mature or adult about showing boobs and half naked ladies every two minutes in a game. The maturity is in the writing.
A complex and interesting story, that's what makes a good game for a mature audience.
Something to keep in mind.
Nothing mature or adult about showing boobs and half naked ladies every two minutes in a game. The maturity is in the writing.
A complex and interesting story, that's what makes a good game for a mature audience.
Something to keep in mind.
I'm fine with nudity in the game, whether from other characters or the main character him/herself. It's one thing that CDPR has that differentiate themselves from other (oops, I mean most) games.
Just as long as it's not there for the main purpose of appealing to the player's sexual desires.
Just as long as it's not there for the main purpose of appealing to the player's sexual desires.