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Veleda.980

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#381
Feb 13, 2014
Sardukhar said:
22312 doesn't care if anything is locked - it's more a double standard thing. I'd guess it's because politics goes wrong much, much faster than even talk of sex on forums. Keep in mind, politics is allowed discussion here, unlike in Witcher forums, as long as it bears relevancy to Cyberpunk and remains civil.
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I see. Well who am I to get in the way of a mild verbal protest against The Man. I sometimes do wish that political talk wasn't verboten, because mature, interesting discussions do occur here and the censorship feels wrong. OTOH, it's a good rule not to ever talk politics or religion with anyone. One reason I started posting on gaming forums, to stick to the unreal.

Also, Vel, it's not gross. It's beautiful. All that finely tuned muscle, a thrumming power machine...*envy*. What's wrong with Jacob in ME? You some kind of fitness-hater? I bet you don't even approve of steroids. Dis-gusting.
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What's wrong with Jacob? Do you even...? Never mind. It's not beautiful, it's artificial.

Which brings me back on topic, to something that's not remarked on often enough in such discussions: Video game sexy gets creepy in a hurry due to the realities of uncanny valley. So, less is still more in a lot of cases, I think. The suggestion of sex versus its actual depiction. Won't speak for anyone else, but awkward pixel grinding is the very antithesis of a turn-on for me.
 
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Sardukhar

Moderator
#382
Feb 13, 2014
Perhaps when we learn more about the setting choices for 2077, we will have more political discussions, as of course our politics now did very much determine the setting of the Cyberpunk 2020 world. The fragmentation of the U.S.A. would be a prime example, as well as the formation of the European Nation and it's relationship with powerful corporate influences. As well as it's ability to repel those influences to a greater degree than Japan or the U.S.

We are allowed to talk politics here, just carefully and in relation to 2020/2077.

veleda said:
Never mind. It's not beautiful, it's artificial.
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veleda said:
Never mind. It's not beautiful, it's artificial.
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veleda said:
Never mind. It's not beautiful, it's artificial.
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veleda said:
Never mind. It's not beautiful, it's artificial.
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Oh, Veleda. Veleda, Veleda, Veleda. Do you realise what forum you're in? CYBERpunk! The artificial IS beautiful! If something is natural and beautiful and then you augment or replace it with a machine of some kind - it's more beautiful!

Metal Over Meat, yes yes.
 
wisdom000

wisdom000

Forum veteran
#383
Feb 13, 2014
This is how compilations of Robot Porn start....
 
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Veleda.980

Rookie
#384
Feb 13, 2014
Sardukhar said:
Oh, Veleda. Veleda, Veleda, Veleda. Do you realise what forum you're in? CYBERpunk! The artificial IS beautiful! If something is natural and beautiful and then you augment or replace it with a machine of some kind - it's more beautiful!

Metal Over Meat, yes yes.
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I'm a novice at cyberpunk, just reading Neuromancer now for the first time actually. But my sense is that the human and real is valued even more in these worlds where so much virtual reality and fake human-ness is present.
 
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soldiergeralt

Forum veteran
#385
Feb 13, 2014
most likely, prosthesis and augmentation technology will be made to be as inconspicuous as possible. hidden, blended, and stashed away, just like always.

big protruding machine parts is an aesthetic for seinen anime readers, not people who want a serious, believable world.
 
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azriel77

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#386
Feb 13, 2014
As for looks

In the cyberpunk books, people can resculp their bodies however they want. While some people might get off on extreme freaky looks, I think most people want to look beautiful/sexy/stylish. Just look at the billion dollars beauty products and plastic surgery now. With body modifying technology improving and becoming more common, I suspect a large section of people will have at least basic physical enhancements. I also suspect this will reflect the have and the have nots. Mostly the rich and powerful will obviously modify themselves, I would think genetic engineering would be common and designer babies would be out by then who were created in the womb enhanced (oh, can we have that as a character selection?) and "naturally" beutiful. Then we have the cyber gear people who would would wear sexy cybergear, and then the norms who either cannot afford or for person/religion resons do not enhance their bodies (might still wear old fashioned makeup) so they are stuck with whatever nature gave them in the genetic lottery.

As for sex, of course it will still be around. Unless humans get rewired on the genetic level, human instinct will still be alive and well. People seek partners for casual or more physical/emotional contact. Businesses know sex sales, the oldest profession will still be alive and kicking, but might have a whole slew of new tricks in this dystopion cyberpunk future.

As I said, I want CDP to push the envelop and not shy away from it. No censorship please.
 
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Sardukhar

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#387
Feb 13, 2014
veleda said:
I'm a novice at cyberpunk, just reading Neuromancer now for the first time actually. But my sense is that the human and real is valued even more in these worlds where so much virtual reality and fake human-ness is present.
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Well, I was being facetious, as you might have guessed from my tone. Since you responded seriously, though, I guess I'll think. Ish.

You raise an interesting point and one that is central to the cyberpunk theme: the value of humanity. Perceived and actual.

In Neuromancer, as you're probably noticing, society is very much results-oriented, even more than today. The First World has become a Third World in terms of human costs. Cowboy is offered a chance at functionality and he leaps at it. His work defines him. If it works, it is good. Count Zero, with its rebuilt corporate mercenary, re-emphasizes this theme.

The protagonist in these stories must then try to find something of himself beyond the machine, in a world where what you do defines what you are. This is the other theme.

This is very much present in Cyberpunk 2020. It applies to sex as much as anything else. If it can be done better by a machine or a nanopackage or a bioware suite, then absolutely, spend the money and do it. The most popular musicians and actors display their wares proudly, a signature part of their style. The Luddite movement, an attempt to connect humans with their pre-machine heritage, is exemplified by the violent vigilante cult, the Inquisitors. In Night City, they are portrayed as antagonists.

So the Machine is better than Meat, in popular culture and personal affairs. This includes sex - augmented sex and sex-gender choices are a short doctor's visit away in 2020.

Until you get to Technoshock and Cyberpsychosis. Unlike much of the Cyberpunk genre - and really most science fiction, period - Cyberpunk 2020 uses a nasty little concept to directly underline and contradict the "Metal is better than Meat" philosophy found throughout the world setting.

In 2020, you are free to flip around on cosmetic cyber as much as you want, contacts, fingernails, what have you. But as soon as you put anything in you that messes with your "human-ness", as defined by the game, you risk insanity. Not only that, but this mental breakdown caused by the human inability to adjust to the Machine, can be brought on by more than implants. Drugs, pre-existing empathy/connection issues, you name it.

So although the human and real is not, on the surface, in the culture, valued more than the Machine, each individual must carefully balance their social and professional needs against their tolerance for "improvement" .

As the 2020 corebook says, "Walk softly. Guard your mind."
 
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kyberpunkki

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#388
Feb 14, 2014
veleda said:
I'm a novice at cyberpunk, just reading Neuromancer now for the first time actually. But my sense is that the human and real is valued even more in these worlds where so much virtual reality and fake human-ness is present.
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Well I haven't read the Neuromancer ether, but I have stuffed myself with other Cyberpunk sources (currently the Finnish translated "Hard Wired" sourcebook)
 
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Shelledfade

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#389
Feb 14, 2014
I don't mind naked woman in my games, lol.
 
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chriswebb2020.736

Forum veteran
#390
Feb 14, 2014
veleda said:
I'm a novice at cyberpunk, just reading Neuromancer now for the first time actually. But my sense is that the human and real is valued even more in these worlds where so much virtual reality and fake human-ness is present.
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Wait till you read the third book, Mona Lisa Overdrive...

johncage said:
most likely, prosthesis and augmentation technology will be made to be as inconspicuous as possible. hidden, blended, and stashed away, just like always.

big protruding machine parts is an aesthetic for seinen anime readers, not people who want a serious, believable world.
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Big chuncky cyberware, that was coverd in 2020, Sovware - soviet built, much more robust, more tempremental, less customising options and as subtle as a brick. Oh, but they were cheap, very cheap.

There were options to have your stock cyberware coated in realistic skin analogs to help it blend in, but other options included fluorescent or even luminous coatings or superchrome, to help it stand out. To some, being augmented could be fashionable. Why do you think the Rockerboy Johnny Silverhand has the name he does?

There will always be people who want to look artificial. Look at Nikki Minage; she has branded herself as the 'Black Barbie' - fake hair, fake tits, fake nails, fake everything. Hell, she even had her ads injected to make it bigger. Some people go for that. It's all down to personal taste.

Oh, nearly forgot about 'Exotics'. In 2020 the option was there to genetically/cybernetically redesign yourself to look like just about any animal. Sharks, snakes, bears, wolves, cats and rabbits were all prime examples. Then of course there was the additional 'playbeing' package with all the 'suitable enhancements' to improve your pleasure giving abilities and seductiveness.

As I said. Some people are into that. (Just Google "furries", though not if you are easily offended.)
 
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braindancer12

Rookie
#391
Feb 14, 2014
shelledfade said:
I don't mind naked woman in my games, lol.
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wisdom000

wisdom000

Forum veteran
#392
Feb 14, 2014
johncage said:
most likely, prosthesis and augmentation technology will be made to be as inconspicuous as possible. hidden, blended, and stashed away, just like always.

big protruding machine parts is an aesthetic for seinen anime readers, not people who want a serious, believable world.
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Ummm... have you been outside lately?


Have you seen the ridiculous tattoos people get? Have you seen the reidiculous amounts of metal shit people pierce all over their faces and bodies? People do not fit into a neat box, there is no one world world aesthetic...

And thats just from a fashion standpoint, that doesn't even begin to account for economy, where people will take 3rd hand cyberlimbs from a back alley ripperdoc, because they can't afford to get anything better than that large older model that may not fit right or be in proportion to anything else on their body...
 
Suhiira

Suhiira

Forum veteran
#393
Feb 14, 2014
I agree wholeheartedly with Wisdom000.

Some people will go out of their way to be as conspicuous as possible.
Many others won't be able to afford top-of-the-line cyberware.

I hope to see a mix of "old" and "new" cyberware in the game.
It's very unrealistic to see everyone walking around with the latest tech. Just like weapons the older stuff should still be out there.
At the start of the game you can buy cheaper 2nd hand stuff and as the game progresses you'll have the cash for better gear AND regain some of your humanity since the newer stuff probably has a lower humanity cost.
 
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azriel77

Forum veteran
#394
Feb 15, 2014
I agree with Wisdom000 also. Just look at what people are wearing now. Everywhere I look I see people with tats, piercings, and stretched earlobes. I actually feel like the weird one with no tats/piercings/modifications.

Exotics go WAY beyond what we have now and expect to see some interesting redesigned people. I also hope we can become exotics in the game. They playbeing package should be in the game.
 
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chriswebb2020.736

Forum veteran
#395
Feb 15, 2014
Ever since around the time of the first world war, (roughly the end of the Victorian era,) there has been a somewhat steady increase in the visibility and acceptability of both sex and sexuality on display in westernised society. With each generation the the boundaries of what is and isn't acceptable are pushed further and further back.

100 years ago, it was still indecent for a woman to show her ankles on public. From around the 40s we see advertising using seduction as part of their appeal. The 60s were the ears of openness in sexuality. In the 80s and 90s we had Madonna simulating sex acts on stage and film for 'shock value' and now we have Miley Cyrus twerking her ass off...

I see no reason for this chain of events to cease or falter. I would expect to see sec and sexuality become more visible and prominent than todays society.
 
Nars

Nars

Moderator
#396
Feb 15, 2014
Prosthetics can be fashion/style statement even today.

 
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braindancer12

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#397
Feb 15, 2014
Nars said:
Prosthetics can be fashion/style statement even today.

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awesome
 
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braindancer12

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#398
Feb 15, 2014
chriswebb2020 said:
Ever since around the time of the first world war, (roughly the end of the Victorian era,) there has been a somewhat steady increase in the visibility and acceptability of both sex and sexuality on display in westernised society. With each generation the the boundaries of what is and isn't acceptable are pushed further and further back.

100 years ago, it was still indecent for a woman to show her ankles on public. From around the 40s we see advertising using seduction as part of their appeal. The 60s were the ears of openness in sexuality. In the 80s and 90s we had Madonna simulating sex acts on stage and film for 'shock value' and now we have Miley Cyrus twerking her ass off...

I see no reason for this chain of events to cease or falter. I would expect to see sec and sexuality become more visible and prominent than todays society.
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that would make sense
 
Suhiira

Suhiira

Forum veteran
#399
Feb 15, 2014
Take a look at how Japanese society for instance handles sex.
I think we westerners took a wrong turn somewhere in the middle ages when the Catholic Church began to control every aspect of life 24/7.
PLEASE don't assume this is some sort of "church bash", it's merely a fact of history.
 
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wisdom000

Forum veteran
#400
Feb 15, 2014
suhiir said:
Take a look at how Japanese society for instance handles sex.
I think we westerners took a wrong turn somewhere in the middle ages when the Catholic Church began to control every aspect of life 24/7.
PLEASE don't assume this is some sort of "church bash", it's merely a fact of history.
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While Nudity, erotica, and even porn are much more prevalent in Japan, the people itself are some of the most repressed in the world... to the point where birth rates are declining steadily their because the younger generation seems disinterested in relationships...

So I am not sure where you are wanting us to look here.

Yes western countries are publicly repressed, at least in as far as what our media allows, but we are far more open sexually than in day to day life than in the east....
 
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