hahaha funny discussion...
bring on the cyber boobies!
(that was totally related right lol)
bring on the cyber boobies!
(that was totally related right lol)
Well, it was on-topic. I know SOME people approve of that. So, yes!
It's likely that the teaser was to achieve two goals (at least most of all): show fans of Cyberpunk that CDPR know the setting and generate interest for those who aren't familiar with it (both the setting and the upcoming game). It hints how the world looks like in "Cyberpunk 2077" too.
It sparked a huge debate about "scandalous" teaser and it's rather certain that many people rushed to see what all this fuss was about. In the end there is a logo "Cyberpunk 2077". And this is all that matters. Nothing serves the brand better than medial controversy. They might spit on it and condemn it, but the more they try to denounce it the more people will learn of it. And people will want to see it for themselves, to check if this is truly as deplorable. Remember how Dan Brown's book "The Da Vinci Code" gained popularity? Even if CDRP didn't count of controversy to popularize their title, the self-proclaimed defenders of decency did boost their publicity for them.
However, there is a serious lack of information within this teaser about what's going on for the people not accustomed with Cyberpunk. I do hope that when the game comes out people new to the setting will be introduced somehow. We're supposed to play a role within that world, so we should know something about the rules governing it, including cultural and social changes in the collective mind of society. Unless we would be encouraged to play as a sort of puritan character in-game by our "current" (2015) approach to the in-game content, which is more "modern" (2077).
It sparked a huge debate about "scandalous" teaser and it's rather certain that many people rushed to see what all this fuss was about. In the end there is a logo "Cyberpunk 2077". And this is all that matters. Nothing serves the brand better than medial controversy. They might spit on it and condemn it, but the more they try to denounce it the more people will learn of it. And people will want to see it for themselves, to check if this is truly as deplorable. Remember how Dan Brown's book "The Da Vinci Code" gained popularity? Even if CDRP didn't count of controversy to popularize their title, the self-proclaimed defenders of decency did boost their publicity for them.
However, there is a serious lack of information within this teaser about what's going on for the people not accustomed with Cyberpunk. I do hope that when the game comes out people new to the setting will be introduced somehow. We're supposed to play a role within that world, so we should know something about the rules governing it, including cultural and social changes in the collective mind of society. Unless we would be encouraged to play as a sort of puritan character in-game by our "current" (2015) approach to the in-game content, which is more "modern" (2077).
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Well:
1. It's a mature game for mature audiences
2. It's CD Project Red we're talking about
3. Strong female (main and side) characters
4. By building it into a story and presenting it as a controversial topic to think about
1. It's a mature game for mature audiences
2. It's CD Project Red we're talking about
3. Strong female (main and side) characters
4. By building it into a story and presenting it as a controversial topic to think about
Okay. I just want to give my 2 cents on women I know (Western) and how they would react to the trailer as a woman. Because from some of the previous posts, people paint a different picture of women I normally interact with.
If the women I know saw the trailer, they probably wouldn't notice the girl or be offended by her appearance at all. It's what a normal girl would wear when she's going to bed (that's not what a prostitute would wear now a days). These same women probably watch or like Game of Thrones, laugh at videos like "Anaconda" on youtube. Some probably reads 50 Shades of Grey (most women are way more dirtier than guys, they just don't show it). These are regular women I am talking about that drinks, go out and use beauty products (have normal lives with jobs and a husband/kids). In other words, matured adults. They all love the female body even though they're straight. They're not gamers. So with that said, they probably laughed at people who are offended by the trailer, especially if they enjoyed watching 'Anaconda'.
And for people that think men should be walking half naked in the streets of 2077, needs to get out of the house once in awhile. No straight guy will do that at this day and age. It makes no freaking sense on so many levels. Women are not turned on by a picture of a penis, nor a guy that walks half naked in public or at a club.
Go to a club and see why girls get in for free, why they show skin and why the guys have to dress in a business attire. Guess who's paying for the drinks?
As for my opinion on the trailer, I think it did a great job at recruiting 20+ fans who are willing to move to Poland to work on the product.
I'm really happy that there is at least one real gaming studio left, CDPR.
If the women I know saw the trailer, they probably wouldn't notice the girl or be offended by her appearance at all. It's what a normal girl would wear when she's going to bed (that's not what a prostitute would wear now a days). These same women probably watch or like Game of Thrones, laugh at videos like "Anaconda" on youtube. Some probably reads 50 Shades of Grey (most women are way more dirtier than guys, they just don't show it). These are regular women I am talking about that drinks, go out and use beauty products (have normal lives with jobs and a husband/kids). In other words, matured adults. They all love the female body even though they're straight. They're not gamers. So with that said, they probably laughed at people who are offended by the trailer, especially if they enjoyed watching 'Anaconda'.
And for people that think men should be walking half naked in the streets of 2077, needs to get out of the house once in awhile. No straight guy will do that at this day and age. It makes no freaking sense on so many levels. Women are not turned on by a picture of a penis, nor a guy that walks half naked in public or at a club.
Go to a club and see why girls get in for free, why they show skin and why the guys have to dress in a business attire. Guess who's paying for the drinks?
As for my opinion on the trailer, I think it did a great job at recruiting 20+ fans who are willing to move to Poland to work on the product.
I'm really happy that there is at least one real gaming studio left, CDPR.
Yeah, but, we're talking about 2077. Not "this day and age". I'm not arguing your point, I just think it's something that should be (and likely will be) considered when CDPR establishes what they believe the future culture will be like.
Well, they aren't, actually. They are pulling the setting and culture from Cyberpunk 2020, and trying to keep it pretty intact, albeit updated for tech. It is,after all, what they played when they were young.
Check out CP2020 if you'd like some idea what the setting is shooting for. Here's the timeline!
http://www.shoestring-graphics.com/CP2020/timeline/
I don't know the lore behind 2020 but I'm sure their timeline for 2077 would be different. It would probably keep the current timeline from 2015 or 2017, and anything in the future is made up just like how 2020 starts from 1990's. The culture and social norm would be taken from the current times and what they think will happen in 2077 with the advancement of technology.
And I doubt they change the culture much in terms of sexuality. Straight men would not change the way they present themselves in public by showing skin since women has always been the object of attraction. Women are attracted to strong and high status men, not men walking half naked or looking pretty. If they follow the current sexual norm or trend, there might be more prevalent of homosexuals though.
Did 2020 have homosexuals/trans?
And I doubt they change the culture much in terms of sexuality. Straight men would not change the way they present themselves in public by showing skin since women has always been the object of attraction. Women are attracted to strong and high status men, not men walking half naked or looking pretty. If they follow the current sexual norm or trend, there might be more prevalent of homosexuals though.
Did 2020 have homosexuals/trans?
The overall aesthetic of Cyberpunk as a tabletop RPG from the very beginning was all about social commentary and satire, especially when it comes to the portrayal of companies and corporations. In the setting, corporations have pretty much trumped government as far as I can tell, to the point where they have their own militarized company security and police forces, essentially, companies practically own portions of Night City, and they still make products with overblown budgets and advertisements, many of which sexualize the product with women because women in Western society are considered universally attractive. If anything, I felt the Cyberpunk 2077 trailer was dead on in its portrayal of this to the point where the female cyberpsycho takes on a very similar pose to that of an advertisement behind her at the apex of her mental breakdown, a touched-up, colored image from the Cyberpunk 2020 sourcebook depicting one of that setting's premade characters.
@yasakani - I'm pretty sure homosexuality and transexuality is also a thing in Cyberpunk as a setting. After all, a good chunk of the system is based on society and body modification especially. If people can elect to modify themselves to look like a D&D orc/halfling/elf/what-have-you (this is an actual style choice for characters in the setting), I'm fairly certain it's also plausible to have a character undergo a believable sexchange.
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@yasakani - I'm pretty sure homosexuality and transexuality is also a thing in Cyberpunk as a setting. After all, a good chunk of the system is based on society and body modification especially. If people can elect to modify themselves to look like a D&D orc/halfling/elf/what-have-you (this is an actual style choice for characters in the setting), I'm fairly certain it's also plausible to have a character undergo a believable sexchange.
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Ahhh but is it satire? Perhaps it's just social commentary about what may (probably?) happen if corporations operate unchecked.
WB RioDragon.
Hey, Rio! Welcome back.
@yasakani - yeah, the timeline is a question. We know CDPR is sticking to it up to 2020, including Night City getting nuked, according to Mike Pondsmith, and after that they are going to try to come up with a reason to keep the tech and culture very similar to 2020..in 2077. Mike talked about a societal breakdown, maybe.
The idea is to transplant the feel of CP2020 to CP2077, and keep the setting feeling the same, updated with better cellphones and some new tech, some changes in Night City, etc.
Cyberpunk 2020 is strongly 80s based, in terms of how men and women portray themselves, fashion-wise. Swag jackets, big hair, etc.
So we get this:
this:
And hilariously this:
So CDPR could really go anywhere with it, 80s-wise. Androgyny was big, a la David Bowie, and so was hypermasculinity a la Rambo. Boy George and Snake Plissken.
We gots ALL the options!
@yasakani - yeah, the timeline is a question. We know CDPR is sticking to it up to 2020, including Night City getting nuked, according to Mike Pondsmith, and after that they are going to try to come up with a reason to keep the tech and culture very similar to 2020..in 2077. Mike talked about a societal breakdown, maybe.
The idea is to transplant the feel of CP2020 to CP2077, and keep the setting feeling the same, updated with better cellphones and some new tech, some changes in Night City, etc.
Cyberpunk 2020 is strongly 80s based, in terms of how men and women portray themselves, fashion-wise. Swag jackets, big hair, etc.
So we get this:
this:
And hilariously this:
So CDPR could really go anywhere with it, 80s-wise. Androgyny was big, a la David Bowie, and so was hypermasculinity a la Rambo. Boy George and Snake Plissken.
We gots ALL the options!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
Oversexualization is fair.
Corruption and decadence x 10 et al. that.
Oversexualization is fair.
Corruption and decadence x 10 et al. that.
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Well, it's not, of course. Not everything and oversexualized. But it does get some focus.
For one thing, this thread has been dead for nearly five months until it was resurrected. For another, sex, like violence, is always a top draw for humans. CDPR has no objection to portraying sex and sexuality in their games, in both a pleasant and very unpleasant light.
If you put it in your artwork, especially if it's a central human theme and a powerful one at that, expect attention.
Has it been confirmed if the game has a jiggle physics and floppy physics development team?
No, it's fine. We have no issue with necroing threads, as opposed to creating repeated versions of the same one. I said that to make it clear the sexual thing isn't a focus around here.
I read many of the point area's in the thread, and there are pro's and con's by today's standards in some of the thinking.
However I seem to remember reading that one of the best money makers on the internet has been porn. This is 2014, and porn is a seemingly sought after commodity.
So how much more will be seen in 2070 ? I would think either we would return to some totalitarian society ( that totally banned anything to do with sex, and ladies wear dresses that cover everything including the ankles ) , or at Our present rate expand on that theme.
Considering the amount of money a Girl might spend for plastic surgery, to day, just imagine what they might do if they could get and entirely new body, with perfect proportions in every aspect.
Also remove for the most part any major aspect of disease, and pregnancy ( Unless desired, and that perhaps gestating in a test tube somewhere until you actually want the child ), and you could see a very pleasure oriented society. Which would be consistent with current trends.
Which to me would seem very realistic, and probably what you could expect in 2070 and beyond.
However I seem to remember reading that one of the best money makers on the internet has been porn. This is 2014, and porn is a seemingly sought after commodity.
So how much more will be seen in 2070 ? I would think either we would return to some totalitarian society ( that totally banned anything to do with sex, and ladies wear dresses that cover everything including the ankles ) , or at Our present rate expand on that theme.
Considering the amount of money a Girl might spend for plastic surgery, to day, just imagine what they might do if they could get and entirely new body, with perfect proportions in every aspect.
Also remove for the most part any major aspect of disease, and pregnancy ( Unless desired, and that perhaps gestating in a test tube somewhere until you actually want the child ), and you could see a very pleasure oriented society. Which would be consistent with current trends.
Which to me would seem very realistic, and probably what you could expect in 2070 and beyond.