I agree with this, Cyberpunk is the dark future. those you let live will just come back to haunt you later. No witnesses no problems.
I don't mind the game world being harsh, but I don't want to have linear options for gameplay. It shouldn't be about going bang bang all the time, you should also be able to negotiate, bribe, threaten, or whatever. This is coming from someone who really hopes there's an option to play as a Corporate, so that's why I'd like there to be non-combat oriented options for gameplay.
Well said. I hope that this sentiment is part of CDPR's design philosophy.
Yeah but I like what you said...
Though I still don;t see how they could implement this for the entire game without it dumbing down the combat aspects....
Are you you suggesting that if they offer more gameplay options then they won't be able to focus as much on each on individually, akin to how stealth was pretty bad in Witcher 2? But isn't it a general problem with feature creep and haven't CDPR have already committed themselves to multiple playstyles with different roles?
And if you mean something else then I am afraid I don't follow your train of thought. How is implementation of different approaches would dumb down the combat aspect?
Basically if they intend to make a selling point out of a stealth approch bound to a pacifist play through, action oriented stuff will be dumbed down to give stealth stuff more value. VtMB and E.Y.E. are the only deus ex clones featuring some decent action because stealth is broken down to the core.
Dishonoured took a different way though
As far as i know, any release date for CP2077 is very far off. I hope that this gives CDPR the time that they will need to figure out how to make a less to non violent playthrough a viable option. I want (for lack of a better term) "pacifist" style to be available because that method is how many cyberpunk characters operate. Most just aren't suited to just run through a bunch of boosters or corporate security capping any fool that gives them an excuse to. Corporates hire others to do that or just plain bankrupt and buy out the competition making those enemies their employees. Medias and rockerboys incite the government and punks to action respectively. Cops and fixers usually are able to handle themselves in a fight but neither is a match for an augmented solo and that solo is fairly useless unless the netrunner can compromise the security of wherever they are supposed hit.
That was kinda rambling but I guess what comes from that thinking is this: CP2020 is a great came for a group of friends to play together (especially if that group doesn't mind playing a little on the f*&%k your buddy, screw your neighbor side of the team mechanic spectrum). To translate this into a single person open world game with a single overarching storyline would, in my opinion, require a fairly complex companion/NPC system or (possibly and) a restriction to the types of roles that are available to play. I hope that we can play all of the roles but I would be willing to sacrifice that option for a good CP story.
Also I know that there is an argument for a corporate or techie becoming a good swordsman or gunman, but if you spend the IP to make them decent combatants they become shitty corporates or techies and will never be as fast or alert as a solo.
That was kinda rambling but I guess what comes from that thinking is this: CP2020 is a great came for a group of friends to play together (especially if that group doesn't mind playing a little on the f*&%k your buddy, screw your neighbor side of the team mechanic spectrum). To translate this into a single person open world game with a single overarching storyline would, in my opinion, require a fairly complex companion/NPC system or (possibly and) a restriction to the types of roles that are available to play. I hope that we can play all of the roles but I would be willing to sacrifice that option for a good CP story.
Also I know that there is an argument for a corporate or techie becoming a good swordsman or gunman, but if you spend the IP to make them decent combatants they become shitty corporates or techies and will never be as fast or alert as a solo.
We obviously have had very different player groups... I've had to ban one of my guys from going anywhere near flamable liquids.
All were awesome.Hehe I have had those groups as well but they are easy to see coming. The truly dangerous group is the one that can attack you without you knowing that you have been attacked.
I have played them all as well, excellent games. the first is my favorite and as far as story telling goes it stands the test of time, at least to me it does. If you want to use them as good examples for pacifist playthroug, well refer to my and other previous posts about leaving tranquilized enemies behind. As an exception to this I will say that in Deus Ex certain choices completely circumvented or obviated the need for combat and that style of pacifist play I wholeheartedly agree with.
Then play the first one, it far outclassed the others. Warren Spector's involvement in that one makes a big difference.
I tried it once, couldn't get into the top down nature of it... and these days, its just too dated for me...
Same reason why I had no interest in the original fallout games or the Wasteland 2 game that everyone seems so excited about...
I know what you mean, I am not a fan of the top-down or isometric camera either. It just makes you feel like God, watching your character play out the game, but not that you're actively playing the game yourself; it kills immersion for me. Another reason I dislike the top-down camera is that it gives you a greater view of the playing field, allowing you too much control of a situation- what's the point of the game if it can't kill you or surprise you. I could go on, but this is not the thread for it.
Granted it has been a while but as I remember it the first Deus Ex was FPP exclusively except for cut scenes.
