Patch 1.07 - Changelog

[DragoNDai]

name a single other product that is as complex and as difficult to make work as a game like this, thats right, you cant.

I already said that most things aren't as complex. There are things that a WAY more complex, but most of them would not be considered consumer goods and I am perfectly happy conceding the video games may be the most complex consumer good on the market. That's why they get WAY more leeway from me than any other consumer good. But being the most complex does not give them infinite leeway. I give most products 1 day leeway. So 1 month and 2 weeks (the approximate time before I complained about ANYTHING) is about 45 times longer than I give any other product. I'd say that's plenty fair.

one thing is demanding what you deserve or paid for, great, but when you start demanding completely unrealistic and ridiculous things, thats when it stops being CDPR's fault.

I am ONLY demanding what I paid for, a game that is beatable. That's what I paid for. And it's been over 2 months and CDPR hasn't delivered. And it seems that I'll have to wait for the next patch before they MIGHT deliver. That's unacceptable. What I am demanding isn't "completely unrealistic and ridiculous." It is something that EVERY SINGLE AAA TITLE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS HAS DONE EXCEPT the Witcher 3. Witcher 3 is LITERALLY the only AAA title in the last 10 years that hasn't been able to do what I'm asking for. That means that my demands are literally the exact opposite of "completely unrealistic and ridiculous." It means my demands are completely realistic, more than fair, and totally doable, as literally every other AAA title in the last 10 years proves.

Give it a rest man! I'm sick of reading your drivel. Do you really expect the developers to drop everything and fix the minor bug you've come across?

A bug that stops a large number of players from finishing a game is not in any way minor. It is basically the second worst kind of bug that could possibly exist in your game (the first being a coding bug that causes crashes). And yes, I expect a video game developer to have ALL bugs wiped out after 2-3 months. And I expect them to have ALL major, game-breaking bugs, like one of the ones I'm experiencing, wiped out at or before the 2 month mark. Again, this is the ONLY AAA title in the last 10 years that doesn't meet that requirement. EVERY other AAA title in the last 10 years can say they have wiped out ALL major game-breaking bugs in 2 or less months EXCEPT the Witcher 3.

Listen to what people are saying 'reload to a previous save or start a new game'. If you refuse to do this then you'll probably be waiting a very long time.

Yeah. Quest bugs suck. Deal with it like the rest of us. Hopefully they get to it soon. Instead of waiting for them to do this, however, and writing long diatribes about how angry you are, you could just reload from a previous save. Or, failing that, re-install the game.

If I'm waiting a long time for them to fix game-breaking bugs, than I'll be raging here a long time. And else where. You might be so enraptured by their PR and reputation that you don't care, but I guarantee I'm not the only one who won't be continuing to support this studio in the future. And if even a single person reads what I've written and says "Yeah, maybe I shouldn't give CDPR money in the future," than that's a win for gamers everywhere, because this sort of behavior should NOT be tolerated, let along defended.

And I think that telling you're paying customer that to enjoy your product you must delete 177 hours of progress and start over from scratch is more than a tad ridiculous and unrealistic. That is OBVIOUSLY not an acceptable solution.

Sometimes you need to listen to yourself and realize that nobody else is actually listening to you. This is one of those times!

There are plenty of other people who are in my situation. I guarantee they care. There are plenty of other posters in this thread who agree with me that this is a bunch of crap. Heck, the poster right after you agrees with me. So yeah, maybe you're the one who needs to realize that your defence of CDPR's horrid customer support doesn't actually need to be listened to.

 

[DDjinn]

@DragoNDai You clearly didn't play Skyrim day one. So many quest-breaking bugs, and many of them still exist. Compared to other open world games on the market, Wild Hunt has done remarkably well in this regard, with very few quest-breaking bugs, and not main-quest breaking ones.

What exactly is the specific problem you're having? Realize that if you have a save where a script ran errantly during a quest, it's unlikely a bug fix will ever fix your problem because the script will still be running or be unable to restart.

 

[DragoNDai]

@DragoNDai You clearly didn't play Skyrim day one. So many quest-breaking bugs, and many of them still exist. Compared to other open world games on the market, Wild Hunt has done remarkably well in this regard, with very few quest-breaking bugs, and not main-quest breaking ones.

What exactly is the specific problem you're having? Realize that if you have a save where a script ran errantly during a quest, it's unlikely a bug fix will ever fix your problem because the script will still be running or be unable to restart.

You're right. I didn't play it day 1. I did however play it day 2. And on day 2, it was certainly worse than Witcher 3 was on day 1 or now. But 2 months after launch, they had fixed all their game breaking quest bugs. Skyrim, specifically, has been mentioned by 3 different people, not including you, as being the "answer" to the post-launch support riddle I keep asking people (name a game that had game-breaking quest bugs 2 months after launch or a game that went longer than 1 month between patches while it still had game-breaking quest bugs). As I have stated before, Skyrim does not meet either of those two requirements, according to it's patch notes (which is the only verifiable history we have of the game's bugs). RedPsychic listed a bunch of other titles he thinks answer that riddle. They too do no meet either of the two qualifications. Witcher 3 has objectively, factually worse post-launch support than any other AAA title in the last 10 years. It had an objectively and factually better launch than most AAA titles in the last 10 years. Probably top 90%. But their post-launch support has literally been the very worst. If I am wrong, and you can prove it, please, by all means do. But Skyrim did not have worse post-launch support. It just didn't.

As for my specific problems, I've listed them before, in detail. I honestly don't feel like doing it again. You can look thru my post history here or on Reddit in the Witcher subreddit (same user name) to find my exact list. But it's 8 quests that cannot be completed, 1 of which is a main quest, 7 of which are not getting fixed in 1.07 (baring undocumented bug fixes), and all of which have had posts about them on these very forums, started by other users, commented on by many other users, acknowledged by CDPR, and existing since day 1.

 

[RedPsychic]

RedPsychic listed a bunch of other titles he thinks answer that riddle. They too do no meet either of the two qualifications.

Well I don't now about watch dogs now, but I haven't heard of any magificient support, or that the framerate, popp-in, and other bug are even fixed now. As for Unity, I'm not sure you read my post to the end where I slightly mentioned that some patches had literally 2 months of time between them. And none, literally none of them fixed anything. There was even a dedicated live updates page created speciffically for information about patches. Well guess what the only response from moderators most of the time was "if you have any issues please contact ubisupport". No specific information whatsoever untill something actually released and if you call waiting months for any king of info "quick live updates" well....... Not to mention after a period of time, while people were still complaining about GAME-BREAKING bugs the whole site just went silent and died and no patches were released from that point on. I've had that experience hands on. But I guess that's still nothing compared to "horrendous" CDPR's support. And how about a game called Arkham Origins which suffered from enormous GAME-BREAKING bugs and you know what WB's response was? They would not fix any bugs because they are busy creating dlc which you have to pay for and play with all those bugs. haha now that's what I call top notch game support CDPR can't even hope to reach. People are now still enjoying serious bugs there. Now this all boils down to what expactations a person has and to what extent does one prefer a certain aspect. I personally would rather have a beautifully complex game with no to little performance issues and with bugs that will eventually be fixed than a game with a dull story, shallow characters, empty environments and ludicrous game nechanics that I would not even bother to want to have fixed in the first place.

 

[joSenS]

I already said that most things aren't as complex. There are things that a WAY more complex, but most of them would not be considered consumer goods and I am perfectly happy conceding the video games may be the most complex consumer good on the market. That's why they get WAY more leeway from me than any other consumer good. But being the most complex does not give them infinite leeway. I give most products 1 day leeway. So 1 month and 2 weeks (the approximate time before I complained about ANYTHING) is about 45 times longer than I give any other product. I'd say that's plenty fair.



I am ONLY demanding what I paid for, a game that is beatable. That's what I paid for. And it's been over 2 months and CDPR hasn't delivered. And it seems that I'll have to wait for the next patch before they MIGHT deliver. That's unacceptable. What I am demanding isn't "completely unrealistic and ridiculous." It is something that EVERY SINGLE AAA TITLE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS HAS DONE EXCEPT the Witcher 3. Witcher 3 is LITERALLY the only AAA title in the last 10 years that hasn't been able to do what I'm asking for. That means that my demands are literally the exact opposite of "completely unrealistic and ridiculous." It means my demands are completely realistic, more than fair, and totally doable, as literally every other AAA title in the last 10 years proves.



A bug that stops a large number of players from finishing a game is not in any way minor. It is basically the second worst kind of bug that could possibly exist in your game (the first being a coding bug that causes crashes). And yes, I expect a video game developer to have ALL bugs wiped out after 2-3 months. And I expect them to have ALL major, game-breaking bugs, like one of the ones I'm experiencing, wiped out at or before the 2 month mark. Again, this is the ONLY AAA title in the last 10 years that doesn't meet that requirement. EVERY other AAA title in the last 10 years can say they have wiped out ALL major game-breaking bugs in 2 or less months EXCEPT the Witcher 3.





If I'm waiting a long time for them to fix game-breaking bugs, than I'll be raging here a long time. And else where. You might be so enraptured by their PR and reputation that you don't care, but I guarantee I'm not the only one who won't be continuing to support this studio in the future. And if even a single person reads what I've written and says "Yeah, maybe I shouldn't give CDPR money in the future," than that's a win for gamers everywhere, because this sort of behavior should NOT be tolerated, let along defended.

And I think that telling you're paying customer that to enjoy your product you must delete 177 hours of progress and start over from scratch is more than a tad ridiculous and unrealistic. That is OBVIOUSLY not an acceptable solution.



There are plenty of other people who are in my situation. I guarantee they care. There are plenty of other posters in this thread who agree with me that this is a bunch of crap. Heck, the poster right after you agrees with me. So yeah, maybe you're the one who needs to realize that your defence of CDPR's horrid customer support doesn't actually need to be listened to.

you're speaking my mind, sir!

 

[DDjinn]

@DragoNDai Was that so hard? You even admitted finding a complete list here is a little annoying.. anyway.

I read through most of your bugs, and they seem to be as I expected, single instances of a script that did not run, or ran incorrectly, and any fix that is or was released won't take affect on your game because the trigger has passed. So, if you are waiting for a bug fix that will "fix" your currently playthrough/savefile, you can stop waiting now. This happened to me, 3 separate times playing Skyrim so I know your pain.

What I can say, from personal experience on a 1.06 playthrough, is that at the very least Favor for Radovid/Now or Never, Price of Honor, and Dirty Funds appear to have been fixed, or at least they worked for me 2-3 weeks ago (On Dirty Funds I looted the chest and the quest appeared and completed immediately).

The In Wolf's Clothing is clearly something that they didn't anticipate, because finishing In Wolf's Clothing first requires leaving the (seemingly) urgent task with Yennefer in the immediate area. I imagine they're working on it, or they should be, but the way those three quests activate at certain points simultaneously means isolating the problem might not be easy, or rather it would require making alot of exceptions to quest triggers depending on which of the three quests were finished. The Person in Distress bug is because of despawning corpses, and they might just put the key in the lootable instead of on the corpse for a fix, but they are probably also trying to do so retroactively for people with the bug. I haven't done the DLC quest so can't speak to the quest nor the crash.

What I REALLY want to hear more about, because of those I listed that weren't fixed they are minor side quests, what is the sticking point for your main quest? You didn't detail that, but mentioned it in a post.

Nevermind. I see. Well it is an obscure bug, and I am I dare say 95% certain that any fix they implement, because of the way the quest system works, wouldn't be retroactive. You ran into a single game-breaking bug; it happens. Like I said, I hit 3 in Skyrim on 3 different playthroughs that prevented me from finishing the main quest. Patches that Bethesda eventually released weren't retroactive either, so each time I lost my progress like, I'm sorry, you appear to have as well.

 

[Escegon]

TK_GvR Thanks for solving my question. I dont lie its very difficult to me, read english and this thread is very long and too much for my knowledge.
Again, thanks and sorry for my english

 

[Lieste]

In software development a few days/weeks is "Soon". I lost track of the number of beta and release candidates I nixed when part of a Beta testing team for a wargame. A mix of unexpected behaviours, crashes, fixes not fixing, unwanted AI performance or behaviours etc. Also new bugs deemed to be critical or blocking and related to the intended problem. (Technically *I* didn't nix anything actually... just reported behaviours... and the developer or QA leads pulled the plug on them... we did release fairly often... just got through a lot of internal builds in the process. Mostly beta builds leading to a planned release cycle, with a series of release candidates in the run up to each public update).

Making new builds is (relatively) easy. Making new builds that actually fix all they need to fix and not break anything else (or at least not anything important and obvious)... that is trickier... and testing the impact of a bugfix requires doing something more than once.... from different save points, under different conditions, using different methods.... and for a game as big as W3 that has to take time... And all of it is potentially invalid as soon as a new build is released (in practice some assuming that previously thoroughly tested items only need cursory examination is common, and occasionally un-good, or possibly double-plus-un-good).

 

[Scaena]

You're right. I didn't play it day 1. I did however play it day 2. And on day 2, it was certainly worse than Witcher 3 was on day 1 or now. But 2 months after launch, they had fixed all their game breaking quest bugs.

I'm sorry, it's not my intention to be rude, but to be fair.
Skyrim's lunch was at 11/11/11. Have that day marked because was the day my son was born (yes he's a little Dovahkiin ). I've only started playing in February 2012 and I never had such a bad experience in fixing bugs in a game. From spawning NPCs that was nowhere to be found with the console, to sound files missing, quests impossible to finish, quests impossible to start, tones of mods to enhance poor laid out stuff, well could continue on and on, but you get the picture.

You say in 10 years you've never been let so bad by a game title.
Well I say in 10 years, I've never been so impressed with a company. In my point of view, It's been ONLY 2 months after lunch and we've already got some sweet stuff.
I'm on 260 hours and haven't started Act 2. It's been a hell of a ride

On topic, does someone have a spare F5 key? Mine is already broken. Anyone? Please?

(sorry for my bad english)

 

[lufrc]

Would be a better strategy if they had launched the last free DLC and didn't had announced the patch... Maybe people wouldn't be mad about the lack of a release date.

And when it was ready for download, announced the changelog in the same day.

 

[shymi]

So CDPR caught "Valve time" syndrome?

 

[dragonbird]

Incidentally, I'd recommend that people DON'T attack other forum members in this or any other thread. Unless you don't want to be around for a while.

Some posts deleted. Some people won't be posting for a while.

 

[jbarksey]

i always miss the attacks. and i refresh like every 10 minutes, ill see one eventually.

 

[DDjinn]

Ah well, for the best those comments were deleted. I understand the frustration running into a bug that forces you to reload a save from a long time ago, and even worse having to start over if you don't have such a save; you just can't obsess over it. That is the price one pays for absolute freedom in an open world game. To be fair, Wild Hunt has had the fewest significant bugs in an open world game upon release that I have played in a long time; certainly since digital distribution and "patching" became possible.

On the bright side, at least this patch and its changes almost warrant a new playthrough anyway. For me personally, all those unique, one-off books I sold that I can now hoard in storage hehe... Yennefer's Letter from the beginning of the game, for example.

 

[wanderjahr]

Lol, how toxic is this forum when every time I poke my head it, somebody is banned and a moderator threatens the community?

 

[king_of_drowners]

Okay guys, I am on the edge of my seat, waiting for the epic 1.07 patch and here are some official facts that I locate on this “News” forum. Let’s take a look at times and release dates of previous patches and announcements (for PC and I take Poland time zone):

• Patch 1.03: Thursday, 21-05-2015, 02:25 PM
• Patch 1.04: Monday, 25-05-2015, 04:21 PM
• Patch 1.05: Friday, 05-06-2015, 05:58 PM
• Hotfix 1.06: Monday, 15-06-2015 02:21 PM

And now for the news on 1.07 patch:

• Patch 1.07 coming soon: Monday, 06-07-2015 05:45 PM
• Patch 1.07 changelog: Friday, 10-07-2015 04:55 PM

Do you see what I mean now? Except for 1.03 patch, the rest announcements and release dates are on either Monday or Friday, around 3 to 6 PM. What hypothesis could you draw out from these data? What is the possibility for the odd to happen again? Patch 1.07 is most likely to come out in the next 8 to 10 hours right? For conclusion, and for the most asked question of all time: “When will the patch be released”, I think you guys now have some specific dates and times to count on. I could be wrong but at least, this would ease the impatience escalating all over the forum.

 

[jjavier]

Lol, how toxic is this forum when every time I poke my head it, somebody is banned and a moderator threatens the community?

This will make sound like a geezer. Anyway, here I go ...

I has been in this community from the time it was hosted in a sub-forum at G.O.G's forums. It was a period between the close of TW1's forum and TW2 release when TW's games didn't had a forum of its own. Back then and for quite a while a post deletion was a rarity. And when a moderator remembered someone the forum's rules the chances were this person asks for apologies.

The things have changed, I can't deny it. Still I don't think the community is toxic. It just has a number of hot threads were it looks like that.

 

[dragonbird]

It's not unusual for people to upset about issues, nor is it unusual for people to start fighting each other when that happens, in which case it's best for everyone if they take a break. It doesn't reflect on the community as a whole.

Now maybe it's best to get back on-topic?

 

[-Hisoka]

Okay guys, I am on the edge of my seat, waiting for the epic 1.07 patch and here are some official facts that I locate on this “News” forum. Let’s take a look at times and release dates of previous patches and announcements (for PC and I take Poland time zone):

• Patch 1.03: Thursday, 21-05-2015, 02:25 PM
• Patch 1.04: Monday, 25-05-2015, 04:21 PM
• Patch 1.05: Friday, 05-06-2015, 05:58 PM
• Hotfix 1.06: Monday, 15-06-2015 02:21 PM

And now for the news on 1.07 patch:

• Patch 1.07 coming soon: Monday, 06-07-2015 05:45 PM
• Patch 1.07 changelog: Friday, 10-07-2015 04:55 PM

Do you see what I mean now? Except for 1.03 patch, the rest announcements and release dates are on either Monday or Friday, around 3 to 6 PM. What hypothesis could you draw out from these data? What is the possibility for the odd to happen again? Patch 1.07 is most likely to come out in the next 8 to 10 hours right? For conclusion, and for the most asked question of all time: “When will the patch be released”, I think you guys now have some specific dates and times to count on. I could be wrong but at least, this would ease the impatience escalating all over the forum.

im gonna wait few hours just like you said
if its not going to happen today i will start my new game but i will be so upset
whats wrong with them ?
at least say something , whats hold you from releasing the patch ?

 

[1999madmax]

I wanna see the main characters back into the game after beating it! It just seems so lonely w/o Triss, Yen, and Ciri after beating the game. Please add them back in the world in a future patch