for the reference, this is the topic.
The strongest and most oppressive bronzes in the game currently are SelfEater and WitchApprentice. These two engines make even the greediest NR engine deck to shame and can't match it (I tried with Shieldwall full engine super greedy decks and still I always lose to Fruits deck). The main reason...
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@rrc i am your friend and i putting your topic only because you create it. But knowing you i think you should think that BGF also needs a nerf, special if you are convinced he is an engine.
In other hand i understood what you said about spend the other coins and dont generate points by itself, but you need to understand that a coin without spender is nothing.
And one more time i am not comparing SE with BGF strengh, even because one its 6 provision and the other is 5 provision, so in a perfect world, SE should be better than BGF.
Buuut, in other hand, like i said, if one of the arguments its a bronze engine shouldnt come to board with 6 body, that thing should be apply to BGF too.
For the last i tried to compare SE with blightmakers - wich its a 6 provision card - to show how blightmker can be stronger than SE (of course in a long round, with a lot of relicts SE willl be better, but i already showed in this topic that wont happen in all the games)