People I think need to give CDPR a chance I think they've earned it.

[IskrasFemme]

But there has been no commitment past making the game playable and more stable. That's the tip of the iceberg here.

And.. what are people supposing that is surreal here?

Content was cut - that's a fact.
They advertised the game as much more than it is - that's a fact
They hid the actual state of the game on last-gen consoles - that's a fact

Those are all verifiable fact here.

I'm genuinely confused as to what you're trying to claim here. I'm not entirely certain if it's just the language barrier but of the complaints are not even remotely outlandish at all.

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You got that right.

Here's hoping CDPR does not fall into that same category of destitute studios.

Absolutely everything you are saying is just a fact in your head. What the company says is that they underestimated the game's magnitude, that's the fact. The rest, assumption of the whys. What you say is 'cut', is a change from what was thought to what was possible given the limitations of hardware that we have today and don't you dare, don't try to impose your ideas on me, this rhetoric of yours does not convince and respect me.

 

[Vingolf]

I know you weren't talking to me but it is a fact that they hid the performance on PS4 and Xbox One.

 

[Notserious80]

ahhhh. nope i deleted this message since theres no point in argueing.

 

[GrimReaper801]

Absolutely everything you are saying is just a fact in your head. What the company says is that they underestimated the game's magnitude, that's the fact. The rest, assumption of the whys. What you say is 'cut', is a change from what was thought to what was possible given the limitations of hardware that we have today and don't you dare, don't try to impose your ideas on me, this rhetoric of yours does not convince and respect me good and taste or I will resort to moderation.

Oooooook.

You're just willingly ignoring the tons of proof that have been posted on this very forum. That's up to you. If you want to ignore the proof that's right in front of you, you go ahead.

And FYI, if you disagree so strongly with what I'm saying, just go ahead and ignore me.

 

[Mickey969]

Ираю на ps4 slim стоит не родной ssd 1 ТБ, и всё не так как пишут, мыло только во время езды, остальное ахуенно (извините), врят ли ssd сильно меняет дело, одно беспокоит что нет киберпсихоза. CDPR живи и не ведись на хейтеров, sorry за русский

 

[IskrasFemme]

Oooooook.

You're just willingly ignoring the tons of proof that have been posted on this very forum. That's up to you. If you want to ignore the proof that's right in front of you, you go ahead.

And FYI, if you disagree so strongly with what I'm saying, just go ahead and ignore me.

"Proof" only in your head, for me, a bad and deliberate misinterpretation of circumstances. But you will not even impose what you think on me and anyone else on this forum. Here, equality and respect prevail among those who debate.

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Ираю на ps4 slim стоит не родной ssd 1 ТБ, и всё не так как пишут, мыло только во время езды, остальное ахуенно (извините), врят ли ssd сильно меняет дело, одно беспокоит что нет киберпсихоза. CDPR живи и не ведись на хейтеров, sorry за русский

Это понятно.

 

[Myajha]

Ираю на ps4 slim стоит не родной ssd 1 ТБ, и всё не так как пишут, мыло только во время езды, остальное ахуенно (извините), врят ли ssd сильно меняет дело, одно беспокоит что нет киберпсихоза. CDPR живи и не ведись на хейтеров, sorry за русский

Well I'm going to reply in English, sorry, but as far as I can tell the SSD doesn't matter, the HHD works just as well, there's soemthing else on the consoles that are messing it up. That's assuming I translated what you said right. If I didn't sorry.

 

[Skirlasvoud]

Simple: Tell me, before the CP, when was the last time that the CD made a mistake - publicly assumed - at this level (considered serious by the company itself)? And she complied with everything she said. Whoever accuses has the burden of proof. It does not allow the accused to produce evidence against himself. This is basic to the doctrine of law. The history of the CD, all its actions, until today, tell a truth: what they promise, they fulfill. What they do not fulfill, they assume - as they did - and try to remedy.

Alrighty.

First of, facts are exact things. You want to use precise, careful language.

You said:

CD has a solid, stable base, respected for doing what it says.

“Has” as in present tense. The current moment.

Well, currently the company has acknowledged that the game runs like dogfood and mistakes were made. It’s neither solid, nor stable, nor is getting much respect. How’s that?

Tell me, before the CP, when was the last time that the CD made a mistake

Oh, so NOW we’re moving the bloody goal post?

Alright mr./ms. Fact, you already messed up. Your demand for me to go back in the past, means you acknowledge mistakes have been made now, meaning your claim that

CD has a solid, stable base, respected for doing what it says.

Is factually untrue! CDPR does NOT currently have a solid stable base, or respected for doing what it says.

“That’s not what I meant!” I hear you say?

THEN LEARN SOME BLOODY ENGLISH BEFORE YOU MARCH IN HERE WITH THAT ARROGANT ATTITUDE! Normally I can forgive non-native speakers, but with how highly you think of yourself and behave, you don’t have any excuses! I can’t have a discussion with you, and you can’t speak of facts, if you can’t lace a sentence together to be factually accurate in your speech.

But! Challenge accepted!

Here, several months ago before the launch of CP, as you call it: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....will-force-six-day-weeks-leading-up-to-launch

CDPR promises not to crunch, but does it anyway. They even acknowledged and apologised for it. I don’t even have to bring up the delays I trust?

“That’s not what I meant! I meant before development of Cyberpunk 2077 started! This is part of CP! Sorry words not good...” I hear you say?

ENGLISH! LEARN IT! IF YOU WANT TO USE FACT, BE ACCURATE!

Also no! Also, the development of Cyberpunk 2077 has been a decade long! At what point in that entire decade, do you want me to forgive the oversights?

From there we can also start a discussion on how long the company should’ve been honest, before it meets your own definition of “CD has a solid, stable base, respected for doing what it says.” or whatever the hell you’re trying to say here. (Fan base?)

They lied and miscommunicated when they said you could just contact Sony for a refund, right after the game launched. People couldn’t at times, UNTIL Sony stepped in.

They lied and miscommunicated weeks before launch that things ran well, miscommunicated months in advance with shifting deadlines, and I could even argue they lied years in advance, when they got rid of their old concept and redeveloped the game. Hell, they “lied” about Witcher 3’s release date too and can I bring up the “downgrade” controversy?

That last one might be harsh and not actually a lie, but how do you define that? And where when do we start counting and what do we define as deception?

The truth is, everyone sets their own bar for that, which makes the discussion surrounding trusting CDPR inherently subjective.

And most of us know that. We all know we’re being subjective. Even the ones who think that Cyberpunk 2077 is the rapture, are subjective, and we can all respect and find solace in the fact none of us are truly right and that makes these forums fun!
Everyone, but you. You come swaggering in here with your haughty attitude, bad English, and then seek to define fact to the rest of us for the betterment of your own ego.

You’re absurd, and look at what you made me do. You’re just trolling or need professional help for your own inflated sense of self importance. I typed out an entire thesis for your “na-hah, I are the only one right is!”

 

[Vingolf]

They even apologized for hiding the game's performance on PS4 and Xbox One.

CDPR Apologizes For Hiding Cyberpunk 2077’s Horrible Last-Gen Performance

CDPR has apologized both for not focusing enough on PS4 and Xbox One for Cyberpunk 2077's release, and for effectively hiding its performance there.

www.forbes.com

 

[Myajha]

Alrighty.

First of, facts are exact things. You want to use precise, careful language.

You said:



“Has” as in present tense. The current moment.

Well, currently the company has acknowledged that the game runs like dogfood and mistakes were made. It’s neither solid, nor stable, nor is getting much respect. How’s that?



Oh, so NOW we’re moving the bloody goal post?

Alright mr./ms. Fact, you already messed up. Your demand for me to go back in the past, means you acknowledge mistakes have been made now, meaning your claim that



Is factually untrue! CDPR does NOT currently have a solid stable base, or respected for doing what it says.

“That’s not what I meant!” I hear you say?

THEN LEARN SOME BLOODY ENGLISH BEFORE YOU MARCH IN HERE WITH THAT ARROGANT ATTITUDE! Normally I can forgive non-native speakers, but with how highly you think of yourself and behave, you don’t have any excuses! I can’t have a discussion with you, and you can’t speak of facts, if you can’t lace a sentence together to be factually accurate in your speech.

But! Challenge accepted!

Here, several months ago before the launch of CP, as you call it: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....will-force-six-day-weeks-leading-up-to-launch

CDPR promises not to crunch, but does it anyway. I don’t even have to bring up the delays I trust?

“That’s not what I meant! I meant before development of Cyberpunk 2077 started! This is part of CP! Sorry words not good...” I hear you say?

ENGLISH! LEARN IT! IF YOU WANT TO USE FACT, BE ACCURATE!

Also no! Also, the development of Cyberpunk 2077 has been a decade long! At what point in that entire decade, do you want me to forgive the oversights?

At that point we can also start a discussion on how long the company should’ve been honest, before it meets your own definition of “CD has a solid, stable base, respected for doing what it says.” or whatever the hell you’re trying to say here. (Fan base?)

They lied and miscommunicated when they said you could just contact Sony for a refund, right after the game launched. People couldn’t at times, UNTIL Sony stepped in.

They lied and miscommunicated weeks before launch that things ran well, miscommunicated months in advance with shifting deadlines, and I could even argue they lied years in advance, when they got rid of their old concept and redeveloped the game.

That last one might be harsh and not actually a lie, but how do you define that? And where do when do we start counting and what do we define as deception?

The truth is, everyone sets their own bar for that, which makes the discussion surrounding CDPR inherently subjective.

And most of us know that. We all know we’re being subjective, but you. You come swaggering in here with your haughty attitude, bad English, and then seek to define fact to the rest of us for the betterment of your own ego.

You’re absurd.

Easy there. I'm not saying your wrong, but try and keep it non-personal please. Not that I'm a moderator or anything, but so far the conversation has been rather civil, and I'd hate for the thread to be closed down.

 

[GrimReaper801]

"Proof" only in your head, for me, a bad and deliberate misinterpretation of circumstances. But you will not even impose what you think on me and anyone else on this forum. Here, equality and respect prevail among those who debate.

You do realize you're the minority here?

Everyone agrees they deliberately hid the performance on PS4.

 

[m.aureleus]

They more then earned far more then chance and they will get one from me. Walls of negative text change nothing really/

 

[GrimReaper801]

Easy there. I'm not saying your wrong, but try and keep it non-personal please. Not that I'm a moderator or anything, but so far the conversation has been rather civil, and I'd hate for the thread to be closed down.

Civil? CIVIL?!?!?

I was just threatened to be moderated for being entirely civil lol.

 

[Kazahashi]

I love the game for what it is, and can still sit here and at least acknowledge the fact that CDPR OBVIOUSLY hid the state of the game on console. And on PC too for that matter, by not letting anyone show gameplay footage.

That and the game looks like halfway through development, they realized they couldn't hack it and scrapped it. Then they decided to just copy/paste Witcher 3 into a cyberpunk city thinking that would be enough to satiate people. There's no other way to describe all the cut features and content.

How can anyone say otherwise? Lol.

 

[Myajha]

They more then earned far more then chance and they will get one from me. Walls of negative text change nothing really/

See that's fine. I don't agree with you, but that's your right as a customer to do as you will and support the company.

My hard part here is I want to support the devs, the people that actually worked on the game, but management has made it almost impossible to do so. Heck they've treated their own employees horribly and hid things from them, so it's really hard for me to give management a chance.

But then the devs really haven't had a say in the matter either, because of how management has treated them, so I kind of want to give them a chance, but that's assuming management will allow it, and not worry about profits over game.

 

[IskrasFemme]

Alrighty.

First of, facts are exact things. You want to use precise, careful language.

You said:



“Has” as in present tense. The current moment.

Well, currently the company has acknowledged that the game runs like dogfood and mistakes were made. It’s neither solid, nor stable, nor is getting much respect. How’s that?



Oh, so NOW we’re moving the bloody goal post?

Alright mr./ms. Fact, you already messed up. Your demand for me to go back in the past, means you acknowledge mistakes have been made now, meaning your claim that



Is factually untrue! CDPR does NOT currently have a solid stable base, or respected for doing what it says.

“That’s not what I meant!” I hear you say?

THEN LEARN SOME BLOODY ENGLISH BEFORE YOU MARCH IN HERE WITH THAT ARROGANT ATTITUDE! Normally I can forgive non-native speakers, but with how highly you think of yourself and behave, you don’t have any excuses! I can’t have a discussion with you, and you can’t speak of facts, if you can’t lace a sentence together to be factually accurate in your speech.

But! Challenge accepted!

Here, several months ago before the launch of CP, as you call it: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....will-force-six-day-weeks-leading-up-to-launch

CDPR promises not to crunch, but does it anyway. I don’t even have to bring up the delays I trust?

“That’s not what I meant! I meant before development of Cyberpunk 2077 started! This is part of CP! Sorry words not good...” I hear you say?

ENGLISH! LEARN IT! IF YOU WANT TO USE FACT, BE ACCURATE!

Also no! Also, the development of Cyberpunk 2077 has been a decade long! At what point in that entire decade, do you want me to forgive the oversights?

At that point we can also start a discussion on how long the company should’ve been honest, before it meets your own definition of “CD has a solid, stable base, respected for doing what it says.” or whatever the hell you’re trying to say here. (Fan base?)

They lied and miscommunicated when they said you could just contact Sony for a refund, right after the game launched. People couldn’t at times, UNTIL Sony stepped in.

They lied and miscommunicated weeks before launch that things ran well, miscommunicated months in advance with shifting deadlines, and I could even argue they lied years in advance, when they got rid of their old concept and redeveloped the game.

That last one might be harsh and not actually a lie, but how do you define that? And where do when do we start counting and what do we define as deception?

The truth is, everyone sets their own bar for that, which makes the discussion surrounding CDPR inherently subjective.

And most of us know that. We all know we’re being subjective, but you. You come swaggering in here with your haughty attitude, bad English, and then seek to define fact to the rest of us for the betterment of your own ego.

You’re absurd.

Just as I said, what is doable is what the company says about it. So far, the company is what you have. But you can fight with her for not liking something, now, in a public forum, you are not going to impose guesswork as a 'fact' for me. It's very simple.

About 'lying', for me this is their interpretation ... I disagree, I see differently, they didn't lie, but they made a tactical error in underestimating the game's load on the consoles. simpler yet.


And here, for me, you are just you - a single person - and I will answer you specifically and not this 'a most of us'.

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Obs. in any language, a misinterpretation its a ...misinterpretation. I dont need learn english to say: about 'liers', you are wrong CD didn't lie about anything ...

 

[Myajha]

Civil? CIVIL?!?!?

I was just threatened to be moderated for being entirely civil lol.

Err... now I'm confused. I didn't think you were being uncivil in your comments to be honest, which is why I was pointing them to another person who I quoted. Sorry if I offended indirectly.

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Obs. in any language, a misinterpretation its a ...misinterpretation. I dont need learn english to say: about 'liers', you are wrong CD didn't lie about anything ...

Um... yes they did. They even admitted they did in their conference call to their stock holders. Kind of hard to say that when the company themselves admitted to hiding the truth about the condition of the playability on consoles.

 

[GrimReaper801]

About 'lying', for me this is their interpretation ... I disagree, I see differently, they didn't lie, but they made a tactical error in underestimating the game's load on the consoles. simpler yet.

Ok, look, I didn't want to go looking for links but I did.

Cyberpunk 2077 runs “surprisingly well” on current-gen consoles according to CD Projekt’s CEO

It's good news after the game's recent delay

www.gamesradar.com

This is literally CD Projekt Red's CEO saying the game runs surprisingly well on PS4 a couple weeks ago. Surprisingly well. His exact words.

Add that to the fact CDPR did not let the press have access to the console version of the game and it's pretty obvious they deliberately lied.

Look, I get it, you're a fan and that's fine but you can't ignore the obvious either.

 

[m.aureleus]

See that's fine. I don't agree with you, but that's your right as a customer to do as you will and support the company.

My hard part here is I want to support the devs, the people that actually worked on the game, but management has made it almost impossible to do so. Heck they've treated their own employees horribly and hid things from them, so it's really hard for me to give management a chance.

But then the devs really haven't had a say in the matter either, because of how management has treated them, so I kind of want to give them a chance, but that's assuming management will allow it, and not worry about profits over game.

I am with you on supporting them. No arguement here. They should get support because they work hard and their games get people talking and thinking, with their own unique point and ideas. Unlike someone who revives Shepard for the third time.

 

[GrimReaper801]

Err... now I'm confused. I didn't think you were being uncivil in your comments to be honest, which is why I was pointing them to another person who I quoted. Sorry if I offended indirectly.

Oh you didn't, I was only kidding. Humor doesn't always translate well in written format.