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Shambler_rus

Rookie
#541
Jan 10, 2021
Game works "perfectly" same with any settings, in spite of rtx on/off or even resolution. And after this you will tell its not well optimized? =)

AMD 5900x 3090 asus tuf 32gb gskill 3200 M2 980 pro nvidia drivers 461.09 game version 1.06 non overcklocked

Here is video
Cyberpunk 2077 - best optimized game ever. You just need to set your graphics settings correctly! - YouTube
 
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ItHertzWhenIP

Fresh user
#542
Jan 11, 2021
The game runs consistently poorly for me, no matter what settings I use, the game's stuck at 25-30fps.
I've send a support ticket weeks ago, but haven't heard anything since.

The issue is caused by a ridiculously low CPU/GPU usage for which I've recorded 2 short clips. At the 50 second mark you'll be able to see that the game is actually capable of using the CPU and GPU, but only at very specific locations. (I have been able to consistently get these results)
Clips: https://mega.nz/folder/SGow0I4L#kMOOvRU9asPdf1smBwcJqQ

My system:
CPU: Ryzen 9 5950x
GPU: RTX 2080ti
RAM: 32GB 3600mhz@cl16
Installed on a m.2 drive.

This issue has been occurring since the game's release, and I've since tried a variety of fixes:
  • Re-install windows
  • AMD SMT patch
  • Updating GPU drivers (With DDU, I've tried the last 7-odd Nvidia drivers)
  • Disabling fullscreen optimalization
  • Setting Nvidia settings to prefer maximum performance
  • Setting the game's task to high priority
  • Running the system with SMT disabled
  • Update BIOS
  • Update to the last version of windows 10
None of those have had any effect, and with the constant crashes + framerate issues I've spent more time being frustrated at the game, than enjoying it. I'm hoping an update will fix it soon, but I'm not holding any hope with the complete lack of response on my support tickets.
 
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Sooxzay

Sooxzay

Senior user
#543
Jan 11, 2021
Ryzen 9 3900X
32 GB Ram
Palit RTX 2070 Super GamingPro OC 8GB

Having FPS drops between 40-70 depending the areas I am currently playing at. Badlands are mostly fine. City center is hotspot for my problem.
 
Ivan_Gomes

Ivan_Gomes

Rookie
#544
Jan 12, 2021
i5 3570K @ 4.2
8 GB ram @ 1600
GTX 970 @ 1500

playing gups allways at 99% and CPU around 70% and 50% Medium to low and some settings off.

Playing the game at 30 fps (Media) but feels like im playing at 10.

Alot of crashes gpu related
 
RAWRferal

RAWRferal

Rookie
#545
Jan 13, 2021
Ivan_Gomes said:
i5 3570K @ 4.2
8 GB ram @ 1600
GTX 970 @ 1500

playing gups allways at 99% and CPU around 70% and 50% Medium to low and some settings off.

Playing the game at 30 fps (Media) but feels like im playing at 10.

Alot of crashes gpu related
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A 970 is basically minimum spec, I don't know what you really expected tbh.
 
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soundest

Fresh user
#546
Jan 13, 2021
Game runs suspiciously bad at 1440p.
I'm getting 25-30 fps with DLSS Quality all settings Ultra and RTX ON.
Which would be pretty good if I wasn't using an RTX 3090. I've just installed it to check out the performance I could get and was kind of disappointed here. I've clean installed the display driver, all other games work fine, rebooted the system, base core and mem clock, etc etc. I've also tried downscaling, obviously, though I feel I shouldn't have to with this card (especially at sub 4K) - no change to avg FPS at 1440 RTX OFF or 1080 RTX ON, but 1080p RTX OFF runs at 120-130 FPS avg. (All Ultra). What's really weird, though, is that no matter the settings, if I leave the game running in Borderless mode (vs alt tabbing out of Fullscreen), the game all of a sudden runs completely smoothly behind whatever else is open. As soon as I click back into the game, say, to play it, the frames drop back to that 25-30 mark. I would greatly appreciate if anyone can figure this out, as this game really does look good, and I want to get what I paid for as well.
Specs (jic):
Windows 10 64
Intel i7 10700k
Nvidia RTX 3090 FE
16gb Gskill DDR4 3200
EVGA 750w 80+ Gold
ASUS Maximus XII Hero MB
1 TB WD BLACK nvme
Corsair h115i Elite Capellix cpu cooler

Edit: Since this post I have tried numerous things. Played with G-sync, putting Cyberpunk on highest priority, actually everything in user DC9V's post. I even updated my BIOS and turned resize BAR on. The one thing I haven't tried now is I think a clean Windows install, which I want to avoid as much as possible honestly. I also want to mention that my frames in COD Warzone were also unsavory, but turning Gsync off seemed to work, but then after some play there seemed to be some latency or memory issues? Something is jank here, and it might be an issue that reaches outside of just Cyberpunk, but to be honest, I'm out of my knowledge and expertise when it comes to actually diagnosing the problem here. Therefore, I'm updating this post with basically all the information I can to see if someone who knows what's up can clue together the problem.

EDIT 2: Found a solution. From Nvidia Control Panel (Not Windows') under "Manage 3D Settings" set "Power Management Mode" to high performance. Reboot and everything seems to be working great (and my temps are also rising; seems I need more fans than just the two that came with my 4000D AF). I'll update again if it stops working but for now this seems like it fixed the problem. Whew. (BTW, it seems like NCP was limiting GPU clock speeds for some reason. I ran COD Cold War and this became apparent.) I still don't know why this worked or why the game ran fine before the fix when it was in the background so if you have any theories on that it would be much appreciated.

EDIT 3: One reboot later and all of a sudden, same problem, unstable clock speeds. It was nice while it lasted?
 
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Ivan_Gomes

Rookie
#547
Jan 13, 2021
RAWRferal said:
A 970 is basically minimum spec, I don't know what you really expected tbh.
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Expected no crashes, when i say 30 fps feels like 10 i mean it. i'm sure they can make the game smother and less GPU demanding.
 
Jahus

Jahus

Fresh user
#548
Jan 13, 2021
ItHertzWhenIP said:
The game runs consistently poorly for me, no matter what settings I use, the game's stuck at 25-30fps.
I've send a support ticket weeks ago, but haven't heard anything since.

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My system:
CPU: Ryzen 9 5950x
GPU: RTX 2080ti
RAM: 32GB 3600mhz@cl16
Installed on a m.2 drive.
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Runs better on my i3-6100 and RX 580 8 GB. Either that issue deserves to be looked uppon by the devs, or something is wrong on your side.
 
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Shambler_rus

Rookie
#549
Jan 14, 2021
soundest said:
Game runs suspiciously bad at 1440p.
I'm getting 25-30 fps with DLSS Quality all settings Ultra and RTX ON.
Which would be pretty good if I wasn't using an RTX 3090.
Click to expand...
Bad thing is - nobody talking nowhere about this shit.
CDPR talking about optimization for conosoles and fixing bugs etc. But they dont talk about poor performance on top pc configurations. And meanwhile many of us have this problem.
 
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DC9V

DC9V

Forum regular
#550
Jan 14, 2021
soundest said:
Game runs suspiciously bad at 1440p.
I'm getting 25-30 fps with DLSS Quality all settings Ultra and RTX ON.
Which would be pretty good if I wasn't using an RTX 3090. I've just installed it to check out the performance I could get and was kind of disappointed here. I've clean installed the display driver, all other games work fine, rebooted the system, base core and mem clock, etc etc. I've also tried downscaling, obviously, though I feel I shouldn't have to with this card (especially at sub 4K) - no change to avg FPS at 1440 RTX OFF or 1080 RTX ON, but 1080p RTX OFF runs at 120-130 FPS avg. (All Ultra). What's really weird, though, is that no matter the settings, if I leave the game running in Borderless mode (vs alt tabbing out of Fullscreen), the game all of a sudden runs completely smoothly behind whatever else is open. As soon as I click back into the game, say, to play it, the frames drop back to that 25-30 mark. I would greatly appreciate if anyone can figure this out, as this game really does look good, and I want to get what I paid for as well.
Specs (jic):
Intel i7 10700k
Nvidia RTX 3090 FE
16gb Gskill DDR4 3200
EVGA 750w 80+ Gold
ASUS Maximus XI Hero MB
1 TB WD BLACK nvme
Corsair h115i Elite Capellix cpu cooler
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Maybe I can help.
My Sytem: EVGA RTX 3090, Ryzen 5950x, Windows 10
I got 55-85 FPS at 1440p with RT_Ultra and DLSS_Quality and the game rarely crashes.
Try this checklist:
  1. Install Windows 10 if you haven't yet.
  2. Check for Bios and driver updates:
    Chipset ; GPU ; Windows Updates ; Monitor driver
  3. If your graphics card has two or more 8pin or 6pin connectors: Use a dedicated PCIe cable for each connection in order to increase the power limit and avoid voltage spikes.
    (I'm using four PCIe cables for my 3090. One cable is connected from power supply directly to the 6pin x16 auxiliary power connector on the motherboard, the other three are plugged with 8pin into the gpu. the other 8pin from each PCIe cable are not plugged in.
  4. Set the powerplan of your PC to High Performance
    1. Search and open Control panel
    2. Click Power options
    3. Set it to High Performance or AMD Ryzen High Performance
  5. Disable full-screen optimizations (This can lower FPS, please compare at medium settings without RayTracing)
    1. go to C:\Program Files (x86)\GOG Galaxy\Games\Cyberpunk 2077\bin\x64, or
      1. Open Steam, Right-click on Cyberpunk, click Properties
      2. go to the "Local Files" tab and click browse local files
    2. right click on Cyberpunk2077.exe, click on properties and Compatibility
    3. Disable full-screen optimizations
    4. go to in-game-settings and choose full-screen-mode
  6. Use MSI Afterburner or Precision X1 in order to make sure that your GPU fans are spinning
    1. enable "Apply at Windows Startup"
      View attachment 11074793
    2. Force fan speed update on each period (can increase CPU-usage) if fan curve cannot be applied. Make sure to set curve for both fans, and also activate auto mode for both fans. Keeping your GPU cool is necessary to avoid crashing and throttling.
      View attachment 11074388
  7. Enable Gsync or Freesync and optimize other gpu settings
    1. Go to your gpu control panel
    2. (NVIDIA) click Manage 3d settings and go to Program settings, select or add Cyberpunk2077.exe
      1. Monitor Technology: G-sync
      2. Texture filtering - Anisotropic sample optimization: OFF
      3. Preferred refresh rate: Highest available
      4. Power management mode: Prefer maximum performance
      5. Low latency Mode: On (Don't set it to Ultra, unless you want to use Vsync)
      6. Texture filtering: Quality should be fine, otherwise try Performance.
  8. CPU Priority
    1. In Windows, after launching Cyberpunk, tab out and open Task Manager.
    2. Go to details tab, right click on Cyberpunk2077.exe, set priority to high
    3. It won't save this setting, you want to do this every time you start playing. (It doesn't do much tho and it can also cause crashing, but it might give you some extra performance.)
    4. Adjust CPU fan curve to keep temps below 85°C. Also check Chipset and System Fan curve.



  1. Install Cyberpunk 2077 on an SSD (you can find 128gb second hand for 15$)
  2. Graphic Settings DLSS:
    1. Set DLSS to OFF, Quality or Balanced. For 4K use Quality, Balanced, or Performance mode.
    2. Don't use the Ultra_Performance mode unless you're at 8K
    3. DLSS Auto mode can look blurry and distorted at 1080p or lower.
  3. Make sure Vsync is disabled in-game, and set to application controlled in your GPU control panel.
  4. Set the powerplan of your PC to High Performance
    1. Search and open Control panel
    2. Click Power options
    3. Set it to High Performance or AMD Ryzen High Performance
  5. Disable full-screen optimizations (This can lower FPS, please compare at medium settings without RayTracing)
    1. go to C:\Program Files (x86)\GOG Galaxy\Games\Cyberpunk 2077\bin\x64, or
      1. Open Steam, Right-click on Cyberpunk, click Properties
      2. go to the "Local Files" tab and click browse local files
    2. right click on Cyberpunk2077.exe, click on properties and Compatibility
    3. Disable full-screen optimizations
    4. go to in-game-settings and choose full-screen-mode
  6. Disable Experimental features in the Geforce Experience app and uninstall RivaTuner Statistic Server in order to avoid issues with the GOG overlay.
  7. Use MSI Afterburner or Precision X1 in order to make sure that your GPU fans are spinning
    1. enable "Apply at Windows Startup"
      View attachment 11074793
    2. Force fan speed update on each period (can increase CPU-usage) if fan curve cannot be applied. Make sure to set curve for both fans, and also activate auto mode for both fans. Keeping your GPU cool is necessary to avoid crashing and throttling.
      View attachment 11074388
  8. optimize RAM timings in Bios
    1. For Ryzen 3000
      1. Download DRAM calculator
      2. Follow Steve's guide
      3. Go to your UEFI / BIOS and set timings (like in that video, set the command rate to 1, or 1T)
    2. For Ryzen 5000
      1. Set everything to AUTO
      2. enable XMP profile
      3. in case you tried DRAM calculator earlier, flash the bios if DRAM timings are incorrect
  9. CPU Priority
    1. In Windows, after launching Cyberpunk, tab out and open Task Manager.
    2. Go to details tab, right click on Cyberpunk2077.exe, set priority to high
    3. It won't save this setting, you want to do this every time you start playing. (It doesn't do much tho and it can also cause crashing, but it might give you some extra performance.)
  10. CPU Bios optimization (Ryzen)
    1. Disable SMT
    2. Two ways of overclocking:
      1. manually OC your cpu by setting a multiplier and adjusting the voltage. Precision Boost overdrive needs to be turned OFF.
      2. Alternatively, enable Precision Boost overdrive and SMT without setting the multiplier. CPU will automatically overclock.
    3. Adjust CPU fan curve to keep temps below 85°C. Also check Chipset and System Fan curve.
  11. Check for driver updates:
    Chipset ; GPU ; Windows ; Monitor
  12. Enable Gsync or Freesync and optimize other gpu settings
    1. Go to your gpu control panel
    2. (NVIDIA) click Manage 3d settings and go to Program settings, select or add Cyberpunk2077.exe
      1. Monitor Technology: G-sync
      2. Texture filtering - Anisotropic sample optimization: OFF
      3. Preferred refresh rate: Highest available
      4. Power management mode: Prefer maximum performance
      5. Low latency Mode: On (Don't set it to Ultra)
      6. Texture filtering: Quality, performance, or high performance
  13. If your graphics cards has two or more 8pin or 6pin connectors: Use a dedicated PCIe cable for each connector in order to avoid voltage spikes.
Post automatically merged: Jan 14, 2021

Sooxzay said:
Ryzen 9 3900X
32 GB Ram
Palit RTX 2070 Super GamingPro OC 8GB

Having FPS drops between 40-70 depending the areas I am currently playing at. Badlands are mostly fine. City center is hotspot for my problem.
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If you're playing at Ultra (No raytracing) at 1440p and DLSS set to Quality than that's a good result. Should be 55 FPS on average. Would be a very good result if you get those FPS with DLSS disabled.
If the FPS drops are happen often, you could try to manually overclock the 3900, or improve the DRAM timings:
  1. For Ryzen 3000
    1. Download DRAM calculator
    2. Follow Steve's guide
    3. Go to your UEFI / BIOS and set timings (like in that video, set the command rate to 1, or 1T)
  2. For Ryzen 5000
    1. Set everything to AUTO
    2. enable XMP profile
    3. in case you tried DRAM calculator earlier, and DRAM timings are staying incorrect: flash the bios
Post automatically merged: Jan 15, 2021

Shambler_rus said:
Bad thing is - nobody talking nowhere about this shit.
CDPR talking about optimization for conosoles and fixing bugs etc. But they dont talk about poor performance on top pc configurations. And meanwhile many of us have this problem.
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Yea because cases like this are exceptions. They don't need to talk about it. Game's running far better on PC. You can get 60 FPS even with old hardware like a RX 480 if you choose the right settings. People with top-of-the-line gear who struggle with bad performance are most likely having a hardware or software issue that isn't caused by Cyberpunk 2077. But because the game is so demanding the issue becomes visible.

To give you an example:
For some reason, the guy from that video is not using the full potential of his GPU. The GPU usage should be above 90%
Shambler_rus said:
Game works "perfectly" same with any settings, in spite of rtx on/off or even resolution. And after this you will tell its not well optimized? =)
Cyberpunk 2077 - best optimized game ever. You just need to set your graphics settings correctly! - YouTube
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Here's a screenshot of mine, at the same location.
1440p RT_enabled DLSS_Quality:
CP2077 GPU USAGE.jpg

1440p RT_disabled DLSS_Quality (DirectX Shader Cache enabled):
CP2077 GPU USAGE_2.jpg


Cheers.
 
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DC9V

DC9V

Forum regular
#551
Jan 15, 2021
soundest said:
Found a solution. From Nvidia Control Panel (Not Windows') under "Manage 3D Settings" set "Power Management Mode" to high performance.
EDIT 3: One reboot later and all of a sudden, same problem, unstable clock speeds. It was nice while it lasted?
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I told you :) It's point 7.4. on the list.
Are you sure you've set that in both: the Global 3D and the Program settings?
Also make sure to hit the apply button, and Cyberpunk2077.exe should be closed when you apply the settings!
CP2077_max_performance.png
 
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soundest

Fresh user
#552
Jan 15, 2021
DC9V said:
I told you :) It's point 7.4. on the list.
Are you sure you've set that in both: the Global 3D and the Program settings?
Also make sure to hit the apply button, and Cyberpunk2077.exe should be closed when you apply the settings!
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Yes, I did as you said. It is applied in both Global and the Program settings for Cyberpunk. And it did make a difference, at first, but upon the next boot after that and beyond, the problems have reverted despite the settings not changing. And I can't seem to make it work again. I really appreciate your assistance, though. I think I have determined though that this problem is not isolated to Cyberpunk and rather is some gpu optimization issue that I can't find much about. So, I probably will stop updating the thread until I find a whole and complete solution for future users like me.
 
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VanJester

Rookie
#553
Jan 15, 2021
crafting and looting large amounts of stuff still mess up your saves if they get over 8mb.
they wont get corrupted but take forever to load.
compared different save files, 7mb and lower loads fine, over that and you get a black screen everytime you load a game, the larger the save the longer the black screen before the loading screen, at 11mb save i need to wait 5 minutes on average to load a save.
no duplication used, only normal crafting for mats, weapons and armor.
 
N_808

N_808

Fresh user
#554
Yesterday at 10:14 PM
With my RTX 3070 and Ryzen 5 5600X and mostly GeForce Experience suggested settings in game, I can get it to hum nicely at 3860x2160 @ 60fps with vsync (required for me, awful tearing on OLED HDTV without). The RTX 3070 draws ~200-240W, near its maximum. Then, within a few minutes, sometimes up to 20 minutes "something" happens (eg incoming video call), and the framerate starts getting choppy and horrible to watch. The 3070 now only draws ~170W so there is headroom to increase fps, but the game seems stuck in the choppy mode.

To resolve it, Save - Exit to Menu - Load, and fps is back to 60, in the exact same location of the game. I have enabled all the settings suggested in this thread, and this made the 60fps playtime last a while longer, before I have to exit-reload.

Any ideas?

EDIT: I gave up up true 4K. It required DLSS set to Ultra Perf, and Ray Traced Lights set to Off. Changed to 2560x1440, DLSS Auto, Ray Traced Light to Medium. With these changes I get solid 60fps most of the time, and when it dips, it recovers back up to 60fps.
 
Last edited: Today at 2:32 AM
DC9V

DC9V

Forum regular
#555
Yesterday at 11:08 PM
soundest said:
Yes, I did as you said. It is applied in both Global and the Program settings for Cyberpunk.
Click to expand...
I just recognized that there's another setting that needs to be checked in order to activate the 3D settings:
Screenshot 2021-01-22 235916.png
"Use the advanced 3d image settings"
Did you see that?
 
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ItHertzWhenIP

Fresh user
#556
Today at 12:42 AM
Ok, so I've just tried out patch 1.1, and I can say there's been changes to my performance issue.

On the upside, GPU usage has increased to about 70% on average, and CPU usage increased by 10-ish%.
(EDIT: Increased CPU/GPU usages only happen sometimes. Restarting the game drops them again)
On the downside, my framerates dropped from the 25-30 range, down to the 18-20 range.

Kinda disappointed in the patch, especially since the increased CPU/GPU usages actually gave me some hope.
 
Last edited: Today at 12:54 AM
tonicmole

tonicmole

Rookie
#557
Today at 4:27 AM
In my case both my CPU and GPU throttle down whenever they reach 35-40 FPS as if there's an FPS cap even though I have no FPS cap on. I tested by turning off DLSS, and putting my setting to Ultra and sure enough my GPU throttled up to 100% at about 35 FPS. If I toggle down my settings to LOW my GPU throttles down to 30% and runs at about 35 FPS. However it will never fully throttle up so my game goes from 35 FPS all the way down to 25 before my GPU throttles up to 60% to reach 35 FPS. Also, this entire time my CPU sits around 40% usage regardless.

It's clear that something is targeting 35-40 FPS for no apparent reason. I tried deleting my user settings file, I uninstalled by GPU drivers and did a clean install. I rolled back my GPU drivers. I tested a thousand different settings always getting the exact same result, and the GPU throttling down to reach the result. When I started playing I didn't have this problem. My game ran at 60 FPS on Ultra RT, and 90-100 on Ultra with RT off.

To be clear there is no bottlenecking. I get 35 FPS on Ultra RT at 1080P, I get 35 FPS on Ultra RT at 4K. I also get 35 FPS on LOW RT off at 1080p. This has been driving me crazy.

Specs:
Ryzen 1800X, RTX 2080, 32 GB 3200 DDR 4 memory.

UPDATE: Sometimes developers apply FPS locks on their games because they bound their Physics engine to FPS. In that case going over a certain FPS causes Physics errors like cars launching into space, or wacky ragdoll. This very much appears to be the case. Though it appears to only take affect sometime after the prologue. I might be wrong, but I can't see any other possibility. Curious if anyone is still getting normal FPS in mid to later game.
 
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