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Wow, this thread didn't derail? Nice! 
Personally I'm all for FPP, especially in a genre like this one. I wouldn't be surprised if you could hack cameras, other peoples eyes, drones and see things from their view. Things like that wouldn't work if you were in TPP to begin with.
Eventually TPP mods will come, seeing as people love that shit, so I doubt it would be much of a problem either way.
Personally I'm all for FPP, especially in a genre like this one. I wouldn't be surprised if you could hack cameras, other peoples eyes, drones and see things from their view. Things like that wouldn't work if you were in TPP to begin with.
Eventually TPP mods will come, seeing as people love that shit, so I doubt it would be much of a problem either way.
I game on pc and I want TPP..
People who want TPP want a chance to see their character in the Cyberpunk world, I don't see what's wrong with that. And we're not talking about mirrors, inventory screens, or photo mode, I mean actually interacting with the world. With all the customization that's going to be available, I think it's a shame we won't be able to use it to it's full potential.
With that being said, I've come around to the idea of FPP in CP2077, and fully support whatever the devs want to do.
The only thing wrong with TPP is that, as an American, the T part of it makes me want to dump it in a harbor. And then fire assault rifles into the air with one arm while chucking a beer keg with an eagle balanced on it with the other.
Beyond that? Nothing wrong at all
Beyond that? Nothing wrong at all
I just want to register my opinion for consideration, that at this time everyone should know that represents many opinions around there.
1) As long-time tabletop RPG player and a Cyberpunk 2020 fan, I can say that immersion has nothing to do with TPP or FPP. RPG immersion is about history and plot. So the CDPR reasons for choosing FPP isn't consistent enough. You can make a simple survey and check that TPP games haven't any disadvantage to FPP when comes to immersion.
2) CDPR is making a game for profit. It is a business, after all. To listen to the customers' opinions is a major issue when developing a product. It is a basic management practice that the most unable management student can handle. It is unmistakenly related to the project success. By my calculations, Cyberpunk 2077 can lose from 10% or 20% of its potential revenue at least, which is a huge loss.
3) People that plays TPP games don't like to play FPP, and some people even can't play for suffering motion sickness. On the other hand, FPP gamers have lesser problems with TPP games. For this reason, the TPP is less risky, and risk is not a thing to handle willingly in a project management.
4) In electronic RPG history, even that seminal electronic RPG games were FPP, I have no knowledge of an outstanding successful RPG with FPP. Elder Scrolls, for example, only became a myth after TPP was allowed. Many RPG players preferred isometric RPGs instead of the first person Elders Scrolls, despite they were hugely innovative for their time.
Surely the staff is receiving good reviews and support for the current FPP project. But everything I said is not only based on my taste and that is plenty of signs suggesting that this project couldn't achieve its full potential. Lots of people are passionately complaining because they cared about the project, and they wanted TPP Cyberpunk experience. The managers couldn't expect that these people will purchase the game at the end, despiting the fuzz. It would be a irrational hope. And if they think that everything is based on a few and expendable opinions, I would like to add that can be no such thing in a project management.
The proper way to avoid these problems in project management is to ground the project planning on the customer expectation at the first steps of its development. If it was not possible for Cyberpunk 2077, the developers have now an opportunity to not ignore it.
Many developers have condemned their project to a failure by not listening to the customers. This mistake is sadly a commonplace. I only expect a good project management practice while still have time.
1) As long-time tabletop RPG player and a Cyberpunk 2020 fan, I can say that immersion has nothing to do with TPP or FPP. RPG immersion is about history and plot. So the CDPR reasons for choosing FPP isn't consistent enough. You can make a simple survey and check that TPP games haven't any disadvantage to FPP when comes to immersion.
2) CDPR is making a game for profit. It is a business, after all. To listen to the customers' opinions is a major issue when developing a product. It is a basic management practice that the most unable management student can handle. It is unmistakenly related to the project success. By my calculations, Cyberpunk 2077 can lose from 10% or 20% of its potential revenue at least, which is a huge loss.
3) People that plays TPP games don't like to play FPP, and some people even can't play for suffering motion sickness. On the other hand, FPP gamers have lesser problems with TPP games. For this reason, the TPP is less risky, and risk is not a thing to handle willingly in a project management.
4) In electronic RPG history, even that seminal electronic RPG games were FPP, I have no knowledge of an outstanding successful RPG with FPP. Elder Scrolls, for example, only became a myth after TPP was allowed. Many RPG players preferred isometric RPGs instead of the first person Elders Scrolls, despite they were hugely innovative for their time.
Surely the staff is receiving good reviews and support for the current FPP project. But everything I said is not only based on my taste and that is plenty of signs suggesting that this project couldn't achieve its full potential. Lots of people are passionately complaining because they cared about the project, and they wanted TPP Cyberpunk experience. The managers couldn't expect that these people will purchase the game at the end, despiting the fuzz. It would be a irrational hope. And if they think that everything is based on a few and expendable opinions, I would like to add that can be no such thing in a project management.
The proper way to avoid these problems in project management is to ground the project planning on the customer expectation at the first steps of its development. If it was not possible for Cyberpunk 2077, the developers have now an opportunity to not ignore it.
Many developers have condemned their project to a failure by not listening to the customers. This mistake is sadly a commonplace. I only expect a good project management practice while still have time.
This is certainly true. I felt more immersed in the first Wasteland and the original Fallout games than most of FPP games.
And on the other hand the first Stalker game is one of the most immersive games I've played.
This, to me, is only half true, though. How those plotlines and histories is experienced (the gameplay) is much more important than what they themselves are, because if you have bad time while getting to all that "good" stuff... Is it really "immersive" if you aren't sucked into the experience because you're constantly sweating about the tedium of getting to all goodies?
And on the other hand, immersion can also come solely from the gameplay. The writing stuffies might suck, but you might have so much fun playing the game that it obfuscates the shoddiness of the plots/histories.
Some of the biggest rpgs of the time were fpp. Ultima Underworld and Wizardry stand out. If cp77 has animated tpp in spots, and they model the player character in fpp, tpp should be practical in a mod. Assuming they release some tools. That just leaves console players, many of which play fpp. I think the drama over over perspective is overblown.
Well I dont know what you guys are smokin', but I wouldnt mind some of it
I think tension could come from both prospective but more important i like this first person here seems prospectively right more akin with games like Arma than Call of duty this is a bit of good light we still have to see how is in the gameplay during the action.
Of course it wouldn't.
The true way is through the eyes of the protagonist. How we see the world.
There's a time and place for different perspectives like controlling a team in FIFA soccer, platforming Mario, loot runs in Diablo, controlling the landscape in Transport Tycoon. This is not one of them.
A game like this absolutely should be run in FPP.
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What you're talking about is immersion via world building quality, story and mechanics.
You can be immersed in a VR world from a god's perspective but the only way for true immersion of a specific character is through their eyes. This shouldn't even be a discussion.
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The arm looks misplaced. It looks like the camera is placed somewhere around the left shoulder.
The scene is obviously scripted and I’d like to see what kinds of hud elements were in place (I’d assume dialog options abd perhaps some visual focus points), but pic itself looks nice.
OK OK I know there's an FPP vs TPP thread.. BUT I have been super curious to know how many people on here actually prefer TPP vs FPP, would be good to get some stats.
Usually people are loudest when they are unhappy, so perhaps the silent majority actually prefer FPP?
Can we leave this poll up for a bit and then merge with the other thread? (Assuming it remains civil ofcourse)
Usually people are loudest when they are unhappy, so perhaps the silent majority actually prefer FPP?
Can we leave this poll up for a bit and then merge with the other thread? (Assuming it remains civil ofcourse)
Nope. But the poll itself will still be intact after the merge.
I'm starting to think their decision has something to do with the actual art direction. It's how they want to express to you, as V(not the remote control of V)the details in the game. You just can't see nuances in the eye movement, people hiding things in their fists or pocket, or things in general that are deliberately hidden from your perspective(no moving the 3rd person camera around to see what lil' Billy has behind his back)the tension in stealth, or switching people in mid-conversations as seamlessly as being in FPP. In the TW3, Fallout 4 and L.A. Noire, there has always been a cut when entering conversations. And no matter how big the map was in The Witcher 3, the TPP always made it seem small to me.. then the FPP exploration mod was made and everything just felt it's size. Looking up at skyscrapers in GTA V just feels better in FPP mode.
Can't say that it's a great decision for what we were wishing for, but it seems like they really know what they want you to experience.
Can't say that it's a great decision for what we were wishing for, but it seems like they really know what they want you to experience.
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