lol people just have to have their Triss get more in the DLC then Yen.
lets be fair and equal so long as triss gets more DLC screen time then yen! Is that it?
Not at all. So long as both are treated fairly. It's quite obvious Yennefer got the better end of the stick.
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Yes, exactly! Thank you! The story is really about Ciri, just like the books are, and therefore Yennefer must have a bigger role. TW3 is pretty much a continuation to the overall story of the books, which is about Ciri. And Triss is actually quite insignificant to that overall story.
NO! NO! A Thousand times NO!
Books are irrelevent
Fan Boys preferring one or another woman are irrelevent.
Right from the Start as a Player you know Triss knows all about Geralt's relationship with Yen and could tell him that fact, as a player it's been blatently obvious that at some time Yennifer would make an appearance and Geralt would recover his memory.
Simple human reasons of trust and betrayal would mean that, the More Geralt "Loved" Triss, the more he would be hurt by the betrayal.
When he recovered his memory, he would recover his love for Yen and whatever he may have felt for Triss would become the opposite feeling.
Indifference being the middle ground would be the same, Like woiuld becomee Dislike and Love would become Hate.
Betrayal and Distrust will alost always flip love into hatred.
It's no surpise at all that the best Triss can expect from Geralt is indifference and the worst is hatred, that's how feelings work.
The Players preference be damned, you are never thinking for Geralt and though the player can make decisions, they can never control his mind or what he thinks.
In the final analysis though, all that is also irrelevent to what the Expansions must be about.
The two Announced Expansions are already Named and that means, the stories are already written and those are the stories CDPR must tell, Whatever the plot may be, whatever known characters appear, if any, of them appear at all, Including Geralt.
A full Ciri adventure would be my prefererance, but whatever comes my way is going to be good.
If more expansions come after those, let CDPR write the story they want to tell not one to please fanboys of any character.
If the announced expansions are all we get, so be it. Then it's time to move on to Cyberpunk2077.
Geralts story will have been completed, Whatever the end is, I don't know. yet.
If CDPR return to the Witcher World, one day, I hope for a new story with new characters. Nothing is worse than dragging characters back beyond their natural time, just to make money, off tired and worn out plotrs, not great new adventures. CDPR are, I trust, better than that.
So again no to all fanboy petitions, tell the story we are meant to hear, not what petition writers of any faction want.
Books are irrelevent
Fan Boys preferring one or another woman are irrelevent.
Right from the Start as a Player you know Triss knows all about Geralt's relationship with Yen and could tell him that fact, as a player it's been blatently obvious that at some time Yennifer would make an appearance and Geralt would recover his memory.
Simple human reasons of trust and betrayal would mean that, the More Geralt "Loved" Triss, the more he would be hurt by the betrayal.
When he recovered his memory, he would recover his love for Yen and whatever he may have felt for Triss would become the opposite feeling.
Indifference being the middle ground would be the same, Like woiuld becomee Dislike and Love would become Hate.
Betrayal and Distrust will alost always flip love into hatred.
It's no surpise at all that the best Triss can expect from Geralt is indifference and the worst is hatred, that's how feelings work.
The Players preference be damned, you are never thinking for Geralt and though the player can make decisions, they can never control his mind or what he thinks.
In the final analysis though, all that is also irrelevent to what the Expansions must be about.
The two Announced Expansions are already Named and that means, the stories are already written and those are the stories CDPR must tell, Whatever the plot may be, whatever known characters appear, if any, of them appear at all, Including Geralt.
A full Ciri adventure would be my prefererance, but whatever comes my way is going to be good.
If more expansions come after those, let CDPR write the story they want to tell not one to please fanboys of any character.
If the announced expansions are all we get, so be it. Then it's time to move on to Cyberpunk2077.
Geralts story will have been completed, Whatever the end is, I don't know. yet.
If CDPR return to the Witcher World, one day, I hope for a new story with new characters. Nothing is worse than dragging characters back beyond their natural time, just to make money, off tired and worn out plotrs, not great new adventures. CDPR are, I trust, better than that.
So again no to all fanboy petitions, tell the story we are meant to hear, not what petition writers of any faction want.
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This thread seems to have got a little crazy.
The topic is whether or not you want an Expansion Pack for Triss.
If you want to discuss whether or not it's OK to have Geralt love Triss, lore, canon, all that stuff, take it here:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/21184-The-Yennefer-Triss-choice-in-TW3
If you want to start a flamewar, don't.
The topic is whether or not you want an Expansion Pack for Triss.
If you want to discuss whether or not it's OK to have Geralt love Triss, lore, canon, all that stuff, take it here:
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/21184-The-Yennefer-Triss-choice-in-TW3
If you want to start a flamewar, don't.
i can't say i agree with this. one of the whole points of playing a game vs reading a book or watching a movie/tv show is agency. This means you as the player control the character. With this agency comes the ability to rationalize that geralt could compare his relationship with Triss vs his relationship with Yen and think. Yen and I might love each other but our relationship is toxic and I want a relationship closer to what I have with triss.
Conversely Gerald could think the Triss manipulated him and used his amnesia to take advantage of him as Triss admits she did and this poisons their relationship as you say, but it isn't a done deal either option is reasonable as neither relationship is 100% healthy.
I think it is perfectly acceptable and reasonable for the player to pick Triss.
We are not talking about the significance or insignificance of characters regarding Ciri, because honestly as many people who read the book said, Triss meant a lot to Ciri too.
And at least for my Geralt - Triss means the world while Yen is something from the past. but let's drop that, What we are talking about, and want to fix is this:
If you go for Yen:
Triss disappear to somewhere (I'm trying to avoid spoilers - so I'll leave the specifics out) and come back later- no in between commentary and no interaction beyond that, just 2 quests she's gone then another one later one. - That's it.
Now, if you go for Triss:
Triss disappear to somewhere (literally somewhere) - no in between commentary and no interaction beyond that, just 2 quests she's gone then another one later one -
So what's changed?
the only extra you get is 5 second Kiss scene 20 second (including foreplay) sex scene and 10 second epilogue with a nice illustration - THAT'S IT.
35 seconds of Triss-Geralt relationship content! (now obviously I exaggerated on the time, I didn't count exactly but that's how it feels to us)
Someone uploaded the entire game Triss-Geralt realtionship - with content that exists no matter who you choose and know how much this extends to? 23 minutes! A 70~80 hours campigan, with at least 100 more hours of extra content, giving it's one of the most important character 23 minutes to shine, unfair.
And pandering to book fans is exactly whats wrong with TW3's main story
If they treated game and book fans equally all would have been well but nope
Yes, Triss meant a lot to Ciri, but not near as much as Geralt and Yennefer. My point was that Triss didn't do much to try to save Ciri in the books. It was Geralt and Yennefer who did that, and therefore they are more important to the story in TW3 - saving Ciri. So, to answer the topic of the thread: No, I do not think Triss deserves DLC, neither as more content to the main story nor as a love interest to Geralt. I just don't think there is any reason for it, other than satisfying Triss fans.
I see. I respect your opinion and hope that you'll be able to respect ours.
Nothing wrong with it. Without the immense back story from the books TW3 wouldn't have been as epic. It would just have been another standalone experience for Geralt, as in the first two games. And it shouldn't really come as a surprise that TW3 relies on the books. The devs actually said that TW3 would be a much more personal story for Geralt, and everyone knew that he was gonna search for Ciri in the game, beforehand.
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Of course I respect it. I just get a bit frustrated with all the people who want to push aside Yennefer, and promote Triss, even though she, in my opinion, does not deserve it.
Triss is in 3 games.
Yen is in 1 game.
I dont see your point.
Especially with the Sapkowski one, because the games arent canon.
Most people who will play the game WILL chose Triss isntead of Yennefer.
If its not for Yen being a total bitch, its because Triss is in all games and we know her since the first one.
For you maybe.. I have never read the books and for me the story wasn't nearly as "epic" as TW2
I liked Ciri and Geralts relationship but hated how Yen was forced on us
The games aren't supposed to be sequels to the books, they aren't even canon so just pandering to book fans was silly
Whatever happened to fans of the games?
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Of course I respect it. I just get a bit frustrated with all the people who want to push aside Yennefer, and promote Triss, even though she, in my opinion, does not deserve it.[/QUOTE]
No one wants to "push aside" Yennefer, its actually exactly the opposite
Book fans can't get over the fact that so many people want Triss and Geralt to be together since it destroys the book canon (even though the games aren't canon lol)
And Triss was actually pushed aside in TW3, Yen on the other hand was forced on us in every way possible
I haven't seen anyone push aside Yen. What people wants is equal treatment - not one over the other. Currently 'the Triss experience' is gimped, so people want to improve that specific shortcoming. Which I think is also what the OP is getting at.
As far as readers vs non-readers goes: it should be a satisfying experience for both. They shouldn't force one way over the other. But I've already written it multiple times(for example here), so I'm not going to repeat myself.
Not talking about the story itself and the rule of the characters in it.. It's only that if you choose Triss the game (globally intended) should reflect that, instead the game goes on in a way that feels "wrong" someway.. I'm talking e.g. about how NPCs interact with you as if you were with Yen, the general lack of Triss content bcause after sex scene=choosing her you basically have less more than a sentence in the ending.. her romance feels rushed.
Regarding the "Triss specific" thing I'm with you and I'm too towards a proper "Romance DLC", but still believe that those inconstincencies in the Triss relationship should be corrected
the games are not canon correct, never claimed they were. but the history the games reference FROM the BOOKS is canon.
I also don't know why you are bringing up most people picking Triss? I never said or implied players shouldn't have agency in picking Triss. I in fact just argued that picking Triss was perfectly reasonable to teh player to pick and equally as valid.
people need to stop conflating what i actually say with their fear that i am against picking Triss or some misguided Idea that i am saying picking triss in not canon ergo wrong. Never said it never implied it and frankly said the opposite more than once.
What i am saying is the relationship that Geralt has with Yen in the books in a canon history to the games. The stuff in the books happened in the world the game is set in. Because this is canon the game needs to provide context to the player of who yen is and what she means to geralt. To do this she needs more screen time then triss. Why? because triss is already established and what she means to geralt is a 'known' to the player. yen isn't a "known" entity to the player. The only way she becomes a "known" entity is through screen time. You need this context to tell teh story because Ciri ties yen and geralt together as they both think of her as a daughter.
I don't understand what is so hard to understand about the fact that the books are the canon history of the games. But that is not in ANYWAY saying that the games are canon or that the games must only retell what's in the books. I never said this I never implied it.
Agreed sadly book readers (who can't get over the fact that the games aren't canon) and CDPR (who neglected Triss and in general the previous games) don't seem to agree
Regarding what you wrote in that post you linked: "While having amnesia Geralt has gained new experiences and insights which make him a different person than the person in the books"
TW1 spans maybe 1-2 months, and TW2 spans an even shorter time, one month after TW1. And Triss isn't even in with Geralt most of the time in TW2. To me, this short time can't have changed Geralt so much. He is in no way a completely different person. And his love for Yennefer doesn't change just because he spent like 4 months with Triss. So, in my opinion, it doesn't make sense for Geralt to be with Triss. But, of course, I respect everybody's opinion, who wants more romantic moments with Triss.
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Like I have already said in another discussion with you. I don't see the games as canon, but the books are canon to the games. Meaning that everything that happened in the books have the same meaning in the games.
I agree with this, but I highly suggest you finish the game, so you actually know what our complaints are. Our problem is not that Yen gets more time, its that Triss her story has plotholes, is inconsistent and feel incomplete and thus unsatisfying..
Can't really explain it any further without spoiling it for you.
@jockmick
The time between The start of witcher 1 and witcher 3 is roughly 2 years. I find that to be plenty of time to form new relations and have new experiences - newer experiences are generally also more powerful. But hey, your story is your story, so I doubt I could convince you.
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