Which is exactly the point. If small studios can afford it, I don't buy the argument that the likes of EA can't.
small studios have far lower overhead and smaller games. EA is in the business of making money, not spending it.
Tools might not be an issue, but Quality Assurance is. it's massive part of development in terms of both time and cost. For a triple-A game is this could be hundreds, if not thousands, of man-hours just playing small slices of the game over and over, trying different things to see what breaks.
Doubling your workload for a whole other OS when the return on the investment is so small just doesn't make good financial sense.
Doubling your workload for a whole other OS when the return on the investment is so small just doesn't make good financial sense.
How many of those Linux developers are for AAA games?
The others dealt with the juggernaut part.
Noooo! I think it merits its own thread. We are having a fun, non-toxic discussion about Linux and Cyberpunk 2077. Compared to the other discussions, I'd say this is one of the better ones. Plus, your epic showdown with Gilrond must be preserved in its own thread.
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Which is only more so the reason to remind CDPR about the demand for it. Someone is ought to reverse their Linux hostile shareholders decision that killed TW3 for Linux project, at least in the context of their future efforts.
Anyone who is an expert in computer graphics. CDPR themselves had several people who were experts in cross platform APIs including Vulkan (for instance Tomasz Jonarski). Finding experts isn't a problem for a company like CDPR.
You do know that Vulkan has SDKs for Windows, right? You don't need Linux expertise to use Vulkan.
they dont have shareholders, they're a private company.
Pretty sure they just couldnt justify the demand vs the work. Esepcially since man of the linux users already owned it somewhere else.
Not sure if that's relevant to the above discussion. Of course Vulkan has SDK for Windows, it's a cross platform API, unlike Direct3D. Above I was answering to the claim of supposed scarcity of Linux programming experts.
They surely are a public company. See: https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/investors/shareholders/
my mistake, didnt know they went public in poland.,
doesnt change it, no one kills a linux port just because they hate linux, im sure they looked at the financials and killed it. there
's too many votes held by the people within the company for it to be an outside decision to kill linux.
Can easily happen, especially when shareholders are clueless on the topic. Common mentality is dealing with platform controlled by vendors, so dealing with Linux is unfamiliar to many.
We don't really know what happened though, those decisions weren't public and CDPR doesn't communicate them.
It's relevant in that it eliminates one of the bigger arguments in favor of Linux-experienced developers being generally common. It also shows that one can be generally a graphics expert without Linux experience, using the one graphics program you brought up.
Beyond that, all that is left is what CDPR did years ago as an argument for them doing it now, and even companies as friendly as they are can have a high turnover of unneeded staff. It is entirely possible they have no one left with Linux experience.
It is entirely possible they don't have enough demand to justify hiring new people just for an OS conversion when they don't really need those people for any other aspect of the game development. People with those kinds of skills tend to be expensive, after all.
They are available, if anyone needs to find some. CDPR never even posted a position for Linux graphics development, so it's not like they had hard time finding any. That's not an issue that was some blocker.
In case of TW2 they contracted Virtual Programming instead of doing the work in house.
based on the shareholder data, CD Projket people themselves hold about 35% of the shares, so you'd need a HUG consensus from the public to nix it. Pretty sure CD Projekt had a say in nixing it themselves.
A while ago they had a majority, but lately they sold more shares to the public. That's why I said it could be Linux hostile shareholders influence.
CDPR is a public company, but control is held by four people, with more than 30% of the stocks.
General shareholders do not control the company. Iwinski, the two Kiciniskis and Nielubowicz control the company. Not only do they control by far the largest voting block of shares, their performance guarantees cooperation from everyone else.
They will not be talked into Linux gaming by our forums. They weren't for Witcher 3 and if they do for CP2077, it won't be anything we say. It's their ( very successful billion-dollar) business to know whether Linux is a good idea or not.
It is raw arrogance to suggest that we here know better than CDPR what is good for their business.
"In 2010, in the first Humble Bundle sales, Linux accounted for 18%.[42] The Steam client tracks usage and reported in March 2014 that less than 1.2% of users are using some form of Linux as their platforms primary operating system,[43] in May 2015 it was below 1%.[44] The Unity game engine gathers user statistics and showed in that March 2016 Linux users accounted for 0.4% of players.[45] "
From wikipedia.
CDPR just doesn't see the demand. They do fine on PS, Xbox and Windows. Linux isn't a serious market and Linux users can run things like Wine anyway.
CDPR stock has gone up by 1000% since before Witcher 3 launched. The bosses know what they are doing. Linux is not a priority, obviously.
We had this conversation around Witcher 3. The same facts apply to Cyberpunk 2077.
The reason I get tired of this circle is because it is the -same- circle. Nothing has changed. Furthermore, it's now akin to asking for, say, an Android version. It's not on the menu, it's not even been suggested as being on the menu and so, it has nothing to do with Cyberpunk 2077.
If CDPR announces something Linux related, fine. Until then, using the forums to promote your particular pipedream isn't what they are here for. Unless that pipedream is -directly- cyberpunk related.
General shareholders do not control the company. Iwinski, the two Kiciniskis and Nielubowicz control the company. Not only do they control by far the largest voting block of shares, their performance guarantees cooperation from everyone else.
They will not be talked into Linux gaming by our forums. They weren't for Witcher 3 and if they do for CP2077, it won't be anything we say. It's their ( very successful billion-dollar) business to know whether Linux is a good idea or not.
It is raw arrogance to suggest that we here know better than CDPR what is good for their business.
"In 2010, in the first Humble Bundle sales, Linux accounted for 18%.[42] The Steam client tracks usage and reported in March 2014 that less than 1.2% of users are using some form of Linux as their platforms primary operating system,[43] in May 2015 it was below 1%.[44] The Unity game engine gathers user statistics and showed in that March 2016 Linux users accounted for 0.4% of players.[45] "
From wikipedia.
CDPR just doesn't see the demand. They do fine on PS, Xbox and Windows. Linux isn't a serious market and Linux users can run things like Wine anyway.
CDPR stock has gone up by 1000% since before Witcher 3 launched. The bosses know what they are doing. Linux is not a priority, obviously.
We had this conversation around Witcher 3. The same facts apply to Cyberpunk 2077.
The reason I get tired of this circle is because it is the -same- circle. Nothing has changed. Furthermore, it's now akin to asking for, say, an Android version. It's not on the menu, it's not even been suggested as being on the menu and so, it has nothing to do with Cyberpunk 2077.
If CDPR announces something Linux related, fine. Until then, using the forums to promote your particular pipedream isn't what they are here for. Unless that pipedream is -directly- cyberpunk related.