Platform Discussion Thread

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

I doubt Linux has any chance of becoming mainstream at this point anymore.

I don't really care about "mainstream", but I do care about more developers releasing Linux games. And that is happening in practice already. It's simply economics. Once there is sufficient demand, and costs of releasing are covered - why not release then? Many developers already passed that decision point and do release Linux versions. If they did, others can as well.

However those who fall into legacy publisher mentality aren't expected to do it (for irrational reasons). So it's a pity CDPR are drifting into direction of EA and Bethesda as well.

 

[eskiMoe]

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/the-witcher-3-didnt-come-to-linux-likely-as-a-result-of-the-user-backlash-from-the-witcher-2.9940

Came across this article. If the community is as toxic as the article claims I can't blame CDPR for their decisions..

 

[jervi]

Yeah, my experience with Linux over the last few decades is that there is a high enough percentage of haters who will staple your dog to the ceiling for things like being less than 105% FOSS or having any sort of bugs (especially those that cannot be fixed by those other than the dev/publisher due to being proprietary) that it's really not worth it.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/the-witcher-3-didnt-come-to-linux-likely-as-a-result-of-the-user-backlash-from-the-witcher-2.9940

Came across this article. If the community is as toxic as the article claims I can't blame CDPR for their decisions..

That's the same source, former VP employee. And he is clearly incorrect in his claim that CDPR cancelled anything because of community reaction. CDPR were working with VP on the Linux version of TW3 way later than that happened (you can find the timeline here) and VP already fixed TW2 issues by then and community was very positive about how TW2 ended up. Besides, if CDPR would have cancelled everything that could cause a reaction, they would have ended without any projects at all. Remember downgrade outrage? Bingo, it came from Windows users. Yet CDPR didn't cancel their Windows releases because of it.

I of course don't endorse toxic reactions, and it was never coming from many people. But that's Internet for you - unstable or erratic people can be found anywhere, it's not a reason for company to cancel projects.

 

[eskiMoe]

The downgrade outrage came from the whole community, consoles included. And afaik, it still didn't result into personal attacks and threats to the developers themselves.

And it's also entirely possible that CDPR knew that they would face similar fierce backlash with the Linux version of The Witcher 3 if it wasn't up to shape at launch (the game ended up being very buggy at launch) and decided to drop the project entirely. No big losses there, considering the small user base.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

And it's also entirely possible that CDPR knew that they would face similar fierce backlash with the Linux version of The Witcher 3 if it wasn't up to shape at launch (the game ended up being very buggy at launch) and decided to drop the project entirely.

No one likes buggy releases, but I doubt anyone would object for them taking more time to bring it in shape. They did it with TW2 successfully. So that's not the reason to cancel anything. However simply technical difficulties to do that at the time are more likely to be such reason. If fixing is taking too long, it just becomes too costly. Which again doesn't apply already to CP2077.

 

[SigilFey]

Greetings!

1.) No judgments or attacks on individuals or groups. Look at my signature. Open the box.

2.) Discussion on Linux, buggy releases, and development trends has derailed the thread. Back to building a PC: hardware and vendors. (Choosing an OS is a valid concern, but that's not the focus of the discussion.)

Moved the posts from the Build a gaming PC thread here as a better home, and in case you wanted to continue that discussion. (Please, ensure it remains friendly, though.)

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

Linus and L1Techs playing The Witcher 3 on Linux using Wine+dxvk.

Waiting for CP2077 on Linux video.

 

[Snowflakez]

Linus and L1Techs playing The Witcher 3 on Linux using Wine+dxvk2

Waiting for CP2077 on Linux video.

LOL! I hadn't realized you already posted this! Seems we were thinking along the same lines.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

Heh, I saw this posted in Linux gaming subreddit, so I reposted here. Good to see such coverage by popular youtubers. Quite a lot people commented they are trying out Linux for gaming because of this video.

 

[Snowflakez]

Heh, I saw this posted in Linux gaming subreddit, so I reposted here. Good to see such coverage by popular youtubers. Quite a lot people commented they are trying out Linux for gaming because of this video.

Yeah - I think over the next few years, if Wine gets a lot better, and Linux is generally better supported by AA (not necessarily AAA) publishers, we might see gamers start to get fed up with Microsoft's BS.

Of course, it will be tough. People are not going to want to lose a quarter of their game library by moving to a new platform (a random estimate, I have no clue whether or not that number is higher or lower). But it's possible. I'm quite annoyed with MS' privacy BS myself.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

More people ditching Windows thanks to Wine and dxvk: https://www.nag.co.za/2018/06/01/dxvk-and-finally-getting-off-the-windows-10-train/

 

[Sardukhar]

Yeah this is general Linux thread now. Linux not planned for CP2077, going to move this to Community and retitle it Platform Discussion Thread.

 

[Snowflakez]

Yeah this is general Linux thread now. Linux not planned for CP2077, going to move this to Community and retitle it Platform Discussion Thread.

:unsure:

 

[CallMeHoot]

Yeah this is general Linux thread now. Linux not planned for CP2077, going to move this to Community and retitle it Platform Discussion Thread.

Why not just close it? This Gilrond guy seems to be using this thread as a Linux sales pitch. It stopped being about the game a few pages back.

As for my opinion on whether CDPR should develop for Linux, well, I am completely neutral on that score. If it takes resources away from making the game awesome then I'd sooner them not do it. I'm pretty sure most people will be getting it on GOG.com for Windows anyway. But if they have a separate team and it's always been part of their plan, well, fair play to them.

As a chap said on the very first page, opinions are all well and good but CDPR are a business, and a very successful one at that. It's not even remotely within the realms of possibility that they haven't already had a discussion about whether the game will come to less popular PC operating systems.

 

[Snowflakez]

Why not just close it? This Gilrond guy seems to be using this thread as a Linux sales pitch. It stopped being about the game a few pages back.

As for my opinion on whether CDPR should develop for Linux, well, I am completely neutral on that score. If it takes resources away from making the game awesome then I'd sooner them not do it. I'm pretty sure most people will be getting it on GOG.com for Windows anyway. But if they have a separate team and it's always been part of their plan, well, fair play to them.

As a chap said on the very first page, opinions are all well and good but CDPR are a business, and a very successful one at that. It's not even remotely within the realms of possibility that they haven't already had a discussion about whether the game will come to less popular PC operating systems.

Because it's an interesting discussion to have, perhaps?

I disagree with merging the threads, but whatever. Closing it would be ridiculous. I don't even agree with Gilrond on everything, but it's not like he's breaking any rules or anything.

Asking for more Linux representation in the AAA gaming sphere is hardly what I'd call a sales pitch. It's more so countering arguments against 2077 being available on Linux.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

I am completely neutral on that score. <...>
If it takes resources away from making the game awesome then I'd sooner them not do it.

These kind of view isn't neutral. You are basically against CDPR releasing their games for Linux, because any kind of release needs resources.

I'm pretty sure most people will be getting it on GOG.com for Windows anyway.

Not Linux users, so asking for Linux version is completely reasonable.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

Lead DXVK developer teased TW3 fans with his progress on implementing the remaining stream output feature without which rotfiends and some other monsters were invisible. Looks like we are close to TW3 being 100% playable on Linux using Wine+dxvk.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

That's how you are supposed to make cyberpunk games releases:

Daedalic's State Of Mind will have Linux support on Launch.

 

[Gilrond-i-Virdan]

Looks like Valve are preparing to integrate Steam with Wine:

Steam Play will automatically install compatibility tools that allow you to play games from your library that were built for other operating systems.

This will allow running games in Wine for Steam users more seamlessly I suppose.

@Snowflakez: not sure if you are using Steam, but if you do, you might find it useful.