Also, if you look in their shareholders report, they mention there TW2 for Linux as a success example. So again, this disproves the insufficient market size argument.
Gilrond-i-Virdan;n7037860 said:because they are making the engine from scratch. They can avoid that pitfall and excessive cost by proper design from the start.
Gilrond-i-Virdan;n7038080 said:TW2 for Linux worked out OK, they officially reported it to shareholders, I already said above. They are obligated to report successes and failures. So unless you claim they lied in the official documents, let's stick to what info we have.
Gilrond-i-Virdan;n7038080 said:Regarding proper design I meant taking care of making the engine cross platform from the start. Initial effort to do it is lower than effort later to retrofit needed changes for Linux release.
"On 22 May 2014 CD PROJEKT RED responded to the increased popularity of the Linux platform by releasing its flagship game - The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings - for Linux and SteamOS
Sardukhar;n7038850 said:I did not know that.That's a big claim, too - are you a software developer?
Sardukhar;n7038850 said:Also, Witcher 3's RedEngine 3 is already developed - they are upgrading it for Cyberpunk 2077, according to Jose Texeira for CDPR.
Sardukhar;n7038850 said:There are a lot of developers making games for Linux - but those games aren't, generally, nearly as good as CDPR ones.
Sardukhar;n7038850 said:Seems kind of unlikely to change their mind, frankly.
Maelcom404;n7042700 said:It's not that there is a conspiracy against Linux but... If you're looking to play video games on PC, just switch to windows (or find a way to get it...), it's not because you want to that it will happens.
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Maelcom404;n7042700 said:You can be sure there won't be any Cyberpunk 2077 for Linux like.... Never, ever.
If you use DRM yourself, I see no reason why you should tell other users not to show their demand for DRM-free games on DRM-free OS.Maelcom404;n7042700 said:Either find windows, or get a console, or just deal with it.
Maelcom404;n7042700 said:Just like they don't release anything on audio-tape now.
They also said they were going to release mod tools. They released them for W2. They didn't for W3. Know why? Because not enough people used the mod tools to make it worthwhile. They promised a Linux port for W3. They didn't release it. See where I'm going with this? If there actually was a vast userbase for Linux they would've made time. They took the time to port to PS4 when they had never made a PS game before.Gilrond-i-Virdan;n7043220 said:GOG later said that it was a mistake made by that GOG rep, and apologized for the misinformation.
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I already explained above why you can't extrapolate anything from TW3. You can read it. But again, if there won't be ever CP2077 for Linux, there won't be any interest in CDPR for me. As simple as that. Show me their statement that they don't want to release it, and I'll change my view on them already today.
If you use DRM yourself, I see no reason why you should tell other users not to show their demand for DRM-free games on DRM-free OS.
Does that suppose to mean that you think Linux is technologically behind? Wake up call. Incumbent consoles like PS and Xbox are like audio tapes, because they are always behind the current technology. Linux is ahead, not behind.
RepHope;n7044680 said:They also said they were going to release mod tools. They released them for W2. They didn't for W3. Know why?
Sardukhar;n7044890 said:Yeah, -everything- I've read says Cyberpunk is being made on REDengine 3. Dunno where you heard differently.
Sardukhar;n7044890 said:You do realize that a growing market could ( and probably does) mean 0.5% market share to 0.8% market share right? If Witcher 2 Linux sales had supported it, you'd see Witcher 3 on Linux.
Sardukhar;n7044890 said:But I see nothing convincing to indicate a market share higher than 1%.
Sardukhar;n7044890 said:Really, Witcher 3 is playable for you
Sardukhar;n7044890 said:I'll flat guarantee they don't respect your opinion on it - and probably your thoughts on future platforms either.
Sardukhar;n7044890 said:pestering them to put it on Linux while not playing a multi-years labour of love for these guys is only going to decrease the value of your opinion.
Sardukhar;n7044890 said:You can fight to win or fight to lose. Pick.
Gilrond-i-Virdan;n7045160 said:I picked. I support developers who care about Linux users. That's a mutual benefit. We (Linux gamers) get more Linux games, and they (developers) get support for making more of them. Win win for us.
Sardukhar;n7045280 said:Sure, but aren't you here to convince CDPR Linux is a viable platform for their work?
Sardukhar;n7045280 said:Sure, that's supporting them fiscally, but it's only after they've taken the risk. In not playing Witcher 3 at all, you don't really convince them of anything other than your own stubbornness, it seems to me. Not really the way to sell something.
Gilrond-i-Virdan;n7046430 said:I'm not sure we can convince them of anything here. I doubt they even read these forums much these days.
Gilrond-i-Virdan;n7046430 said:As I said, support is a mutual thing.
Sardukhar;n7050020 said:It's not mutual, especially when you are in a minority position like convincing them of Linux support - or the validity of modding. They don't need the revenue or trouble and so you have to go to extra effort to convince them it's worth it. Because they are doing fine - better than fine - doing neither.
Sardukhar;n7050020 said:But insisting, again and again, that it's fiscally or technically viable without acknowledging the difficulty and cost of a Linux port?
Gilrond-i-Virdan;n7050280 said:One could convince them if they'd be willing to communicate which means dialog. But they aren't communicating, so how would you know if any arguments are even heard? CDPR never participated in any open discussions about Linux gaming, never attended Linux gaming conferences or were part of major Linux gaming related collaborations like the Vulkan working group (unlike a number of other major gaming studios like Epic and Oxide).
Gilrond-i-Virdan;n7050280 said:You can't fix it without spending a lot of time, if you woke up too late to do it. So, proper planning and design is their friend.