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#2,041
Aug 7, 2012
Finished Dreamfall. I loved seeing the Journeyman Inn in 3D. Loved how much April was in the game (was expecting less than that). Loved a lot of the music. Loved Kian's last name and its subtle implication.

Didn't really mind the lack of an ending, actually. While so many questions are left unanswered, the game still felt strangely complete. It's a lot like the Witcher 2, where the more personal story is finished while the overarching story involving the world and everyone else is left up in the air. Even if the episodic continuation of the story never happens, there are enough little hints about where the story is going to make your own theories. Another thing I didn't really mind: The controls. They were awkward at first, but once I hooked up a gamepad, the whole game felt much more natural. The combat and stealth sections were fine, too. Annoying at times, but not really bad enough to be a negative.

I hated the little minigame where you have to find a certain symbol that's swimming with a bunch of other symbols. The other minigame with the spinning things is fine, but forcing you to find a little symbol among a bunch of very similar symbols within a time limit is just pointlessly frustrating in a game like this.

There's nothing I hated as much as this, though:

The romantic thing between Zoe and Damien. Spending the entire game whining about how she's interested in nothing is fine if she changes and grows in a realistic way. Aside from that scene, I'd say her development was natural enough to work. Having the first fucking thing she's interested in be some random guy she just met, a guy who's basically a coward who subtly hits on her right after they meet (right after finding out that his friend/maybe more than a friend is dead, and her ex-boyfriend/best friend's fate up in the air) and basically pushes himself on her at every opportunity, is just messed up. It's not good character development, and it didn't make her seem like she was growing as a person and getting over her apathy. It struck me more like this:

Zoe: Hey, I'm sad a lot.
Damien: I hear my penis is great for that.
Zoe: I THINK YOU'RE AWESOME

There were bigger things going on, and it was completely forced. Damien has no personality, no development. He's just a random character who exists for a good old-fashioned information dump. Not only did it negatively impact my enjoyment of the game to have him suddenly cast in a role that wasn't built up to in any way whatsoever, but it gave me the impression that Zoe had actually gone backward and become a damsel in distress in need of saving, ready to fall all over herself over the first person who helped her out. It probably could have been touching if Damien was actually given a personality or backstory or virtually anything to make me care about him as a character. As it is, the scene is sickeningly out of place, a needlessly saccharine bit added just for the sake of having a romantic scene in the game.
 
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lilkis

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#2,042
Aug 7, 2012
Dreamfall I bought but never finished....I got stuck in the beginning of the game lol...

ANyways I'm currently playing Persona 4 and watching the witcher 1 on youtube.com

i'm going to be buying Persona 4 Arena tomorrow for Xbox 360...anyone else picking this game up?
 
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daddy300

Mentor
#2,043
Aug 7, 2012
LilKis said:
Dreamfall I bought but never finished....I got stuck in the beginning of the game lol...

ANyways I'm currently playing Persona 4 and watching the witcher 1 on youtube.com

i'm going to be buying Persona 4 Arena tomorrow for Xbox 360...anyone else picking this game up?
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I'm huge fighting fan but they consume too much time to master which I can’t afford atm. I will get it once I get more free time, I haven’t switch on my PS3 for some time now, I still need to finish few games like Dark Souls and FF13-2

I bought few games on Steam sale still haven’t even switch some of them. Playing MW3 when I can.. Got first MOAB few days ago!
 
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cyberarmy.603

Rookie
#2,044
Aug 7, 2012
Playing Endless Space nowadays, a very good 4x game with a crazy AI. Conquering the galaxy is always fun!
Bought Dawnguard and sucking Skyrim dry as a sneaky Khajit vampire lord!

Also still loging on D3 once a week, mostly farming and selling stuff, i was very mad about this game at first but at least i got my money (and a lot more) back.
 
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phamvan94

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#2,045
Aug 7, 2012
Thank god someone made a killable children mod for Skyrim. Now I can finally kill the stupid annoying ass brat that walks into my home to finish her sentence about how tough she is. Wonder how tough she feels after 3 stabs from a Dragonbone sword...

EDIT: I even got a letter thanking me for killing the brat. Another good deed done.
 
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Marcin Momot

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#2,046
Aug 8, 2012
LilKis said:
i'm going to be buying Persona 4 Arena tomorrow for Xbox 360...anyone else picking this game up?
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Getting this on the 31st, since that's when it's supposed to drop in Europe. Can't wait to be honest!
 
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SystemShock7

Senior user
#2,047
Aug 8, 2012
Pham said:
Thank god someone made a killable children mod for Skyrim. Now I can finally kill the stupid annoying ass brat that walks into my home to finish her sentence about how tough she is. Wonder how tough she feels after 3 stabs from a Dragonbone sword...

EDIT: I even got a letter thanking me for killing the brat. Another good deed done.
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was it that hard to ~ click disable [enter] ?
 
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phamvan94

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#2,048
Aug 8, 2012
SystemShock7 said:
was it that hard to ~ click disable [enter] ?
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Nah, that is cheating. This was a legit kill with my weapon and a kill cam. Way more satisfying. I just need to hide the body now...
 
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SystemShock7

Senior user
#2,049
Aug 8, 2012
Pham said:
Nah, that is cheating. This was a legit kill with my weapon and a kill cam. Way more satisfying. I just need to hide the body now...
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hmmm ... and how is it "cheating"? And what do you think the difference is between a command you issue on the console and a mod that implements a command for you? No difference whatsoever.

And actually, with the disable command (which can be also implemented in the CS as a mod, BTW), the child NPC just goes away and does not affect your stats whatsoever; whereas your mod, it enables an action that grants you XP. So, who's cheating?
 
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wichat

Mentor
#2,050
Aug 8, 2012
Oh, oh! I'm afraid that the announced next dog days is begining to affect my head... I feel like I would like play DA2!!!!!
 
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phamvan94

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#2,051
Aug 8, 2012
SystemShock7 said:
hmmm ... and how is it "cheating"? And what do you think the difference is between a command you issue on the console and a mod that implements a command for you? No difference whatsoever.

And actually, with the disable command (which can be also implemented in the CS as a mod, BTW), the child NPC just goes away and does not affect your stats whatsoever; whereas your mod, it enables an action that grants you XP. So, who's cheating?
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Its cheating. Its too simple. A godly power just removes the child from the game. But I want to stab a sword through her neck and watch the blood slowly run out, hear her choke on her own blood until the lifeless body falls to the floor...

Also I actually had to get the person into a secluded area and kill her quickly, away from prying eyes. Plus I get a body for experiments.
 
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SystemShock7

Senior user
#2,052
Aug 8, 2012
Pham said:
Its cheating. Its too simple. A godly power just removes the child from the game. But I want to stab a sword through her neck and watch the blood slowly run out, hear her choke on her own blood until the lifeless body falls to the floor...

Also I actually had to get the person into a secluded area and kill her quickly, away from prying eyes. Plus I get a body for experiments.
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Nope. There is no "godly power" doing anything. Game-wise, disabling children from the game is pretty much like choosing to disable LOD or grass, i.e., no consequences to your score (XP gains), whereas making something killable that's not only killable, but easily killable, and grants you not only XP but loot, that is cheating.
 
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phamvan94

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#2,053
Aug 8, 2012
SystemShock7 said:
Nope. There is no "godly power" doing anything. Game-wise, disabling children from the game is pretty much like choosing to disable LOD or grass, i.e., no consequences to your score (XP gains), whereas making something killable that's not only killable, but easily killable, and grants you not only XP but loot, that is cheating.
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Why is everyone I am arguing with today responding with stupid answers? First Reddit now this...

There is no gameplay/lore explanation for the disable command. Its a cheat code nothing else. A killable children mod allows me to kill NPCs that are unkillable, but should be since everyone else also is and the only reason why children are essential are lawsuits and drama. This mod allows me to do what the game should have allowed from the start, kill an unimportant NPC without having to resort to console commands which are cheats. The mod is just that, a mod which makes all NPCs the same - nonessential.
 
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SystemShock7

Senior user
#2,054
Aug 8, 2012
Pham said:
Why is everyone I am arguing with today responding with stupid answers? First Reddit now this...

There is no gameplay/lore explanation for the disable command. Its a cheat code nothing else. A killable children mod allows me to kill NPCs that are unkillable, but should be since everyone else also is and the only reason why children are essential are lawsuits and drama. This mod allows me to do what the game should have allowed from the start, kill an unimportant NPC without having to resort to console commands which are cheats. The mod is just that, a mod which makes all NPCs the same - nonessential.
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You do know what a mod is and does, right? It runs commands for you. The mod you are using is running the setessential command for you (or its equivalent for un-checking "child" in child race). It doesn't matter if you open the console and type it yourself, or you set the command to run when the game starts through a mod, you are still running a command to change the game allowing you to get XP and loot in an easier manner that you would in the vanilla game. You are cheating. You can rationalize it any which way you want, but you are cheating.

Oh, and there's no gameplay/lore explanation for disabling grass, either, which pretty much does the same thing as disabling kids.
 
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username_3612305

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#2,055
Aug 9, 2012
SystemShock7 said:
You do know what a mod is and does, right? It runs commands for you. The mod you are using is running the setessential command for you (or its equivalent for un-checking "child" in child race). It doesn't matter if you open the console and type it yourself, or you set the command to run when the game starts through a mod, you are still running a command to change the game allowing you to get XP and loot in an easier manner that you would in the vanilla game. You are cheating. You can rationalize it any which way you want, but you are cheating.

Oh, and there's no gameplay/lore explanation for disabling grass, either, which pretty much does the same thing as disabling kids.
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Fact of the matter is using the console breaks realism, and it seems realism is exactly what Pham is after. I'm not sure I would call using console commands in Skyrim cheating, as it's a part of the game, but it does most definitely break realism.
 
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Kodaemon5924

Forum veteran
#2,056
Aug 9, 2012
Pham said:
There is no gameplay/lore explanation for the disable command.
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Actually, TES supports all sort of meta-gaming in its lore, to the point where both Vivec and Talos are implied to have used the creation kit.

Really.
 
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phamvan94

Rookie
#2,057
Aug 9, 2012
SystemShock7 said:
You do know what a mod is and does, right? It runs commands for you. The mod you are using is running the setessential command for you (or its equivalent for un-checking "child" in child race). It doesn't matter if you open the console and type it yourself, or you set the command to run when the game starts through a mod, you are still running a command to change the game allowing you to get XP and loot in an easier manner that you would in the vanilla game. You are cheating. You can rationalize it any which way you want, but you are cheating.

Oh, and there's no gameplay/lore explanation for disabling grass, either, which pretty much does the same thing as disabling kids.
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Eff this. I give up. You just don't seem to understand what I am saying.
 
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siklara

Rookie
#2,058
Aug 9, 2012
We're on holiday, I only have my old laptop with me and every evening I'm having fun with oldie but goodie games I've never played in their time.

Yesterday I finished Syberia and although some of the puzzles almost drove me mad, I can't wait to play the sequel. Oh Oscar, you silly automaton, you were not nearly as funny as Crow, but I already miss your babbling.

A personal message to 227: I started playing Planescape: Torment and it's totally updating my journal.
 
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SystemShock7

Senior user
#2,059
Aug 9, 2012
AevonaenCaerme said:
Fact of the matter is using the console breaks realism, and it seems realism is exactly what Pham is after. I'm not sure I would call using console commands in Skyrim cheating, as it's a part of the game, but it does most definitely break realism.
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Yeah, break realism in a game that has dragons, man-cats, man-lizards, elves, magic, everyone can shoot fireballs out of their hands, werewolves, vampires, daemons and gods who speak to humans, everyone walks and runs with both arms extended in front of them (in the very realistic 1st person view), carrying the equivalent of 500 lbs, etc etc etc etc etc...

I guess I have derailed this thread quite a bit. I'll stop here.
 
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volsung

Forum veteran
#2,060
Aug 10, 2012
siklara said:
We're on holiday, I only have my old laptop with me and every evening I'm having fun with oldie but goodie games I've never played in their time.
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Cool, I love retro gaming!

Sometimes I want to dig up some old CRT monitor and get a 486DX2 @66MHz to play DOS games.

Your laptop is probably not *that* old though :p

siklara said:
Yesterday I finished Syberia and although some of the puzzles almost drove me mad, I can't wait to play the sequel. Oh Oscar, you silly automaton, you were not nearly as funny as Crow, but I already miss your babbling.
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I played it back then when it came out. It wasn't my favorite adventure game, but I really liked it. Never got the sequel though. Let me know what you think.

siklara said:
A personal message to 227: I started playing Planescape: Torment and it's totally updating my journal.
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I somehow assumed you had played it. Let us know what you think in "Playing Classic RPG's", I'll be happy to help.
 
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