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Please, explain me logic of the neutral ending [Spoilers]

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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#61
Jun 3, 2015
carlos2033 said:
I guess he just has to decide does he want to be father or superhero, the rest will come on its own
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It's funny that Yennefer is obsessed with protecting Ciri at all costs while she just wants to save people.
 
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carlos2033

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#62
Jun 3, 2015
Willowhugger said:
It's funny that Yennefer is obsessed with protecting Ciri at all costs while she just wants to save people.
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Well she is like mother to her after all, but she like plotting also by puting her on trone i guess that is sorceress part of her
 
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saricc

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#63
Jun 3, 2015
Lesota said:
"Manipulate her", "Push her". Funny, you're treating her like a little stupid girl, you may get the bad ending! I think the game states obviously - she is not a small girl, don't treat her like that, she can make her own decisions, she's capable to argue with Philippa Eilhart and make the sorceress to turn pale, she's capable to beat the white frost and, I'm sure, she can make truly her own decisions, even if someone trying to push her.
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She does make her own decision if you choose to tell her about Emhyr. My Geralt told her, she asked for his opinion, he told it was her choice, she pushed for Geralt's opinion, and finally Geralt gave it to her. He tells her what Emhyr wants from her. With the information Geralt gives her she decides that she doesn't want to see Emhyr.

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I specifically did not treat her like a small girl. I treated her like an adult by telling her what I thought about Emhyr and his plans.
 
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Valkimedes

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#64
Jun 3, 2015
Lesota said:
She said it herself - as a witcher she can kill drowners all day long and in fact it will change nothing in the grand scheme of things, but as empress she can really make a difference.
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Yes man, you are right, I thought the same. Ciri can do more as a empress, but the thing is: The ending is weak, is short, you need more details, about her decision. Because as you can see in the 2 videos, she doesn't care nilfgaard, her father and the throne.
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#65
Jun 3, 2015
Valkimedes said:
Yes man, you are right, I thought the same. Ciri can do more as a empress, but the thing is: The ending is weak, is short, you need more details, about her decision. Because as you can see in the 2 videos, she doesn't care nilfgaard, her father and the throne.
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The problem with killing Drowners is that a Witcher protects the innocent while Emperors seem to only kill. Honestly, I don't see much good Ciri can do as Empress.

Nilfgaard is fine for its citizens as is. It's just the lands they subjugate which are misruled and I doubt Ciri will be able to free them.

The biggest good Ciri can do is prevent another invasion of the North and that could be prevented any number of ways. I also think that it's better she be happy.
 
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stevevnomes

stevevnomes

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#66
Jun 4, 2015
so the witcher ending was the good ending right? empress was neutral since she kind of seemed like she didnt want to deal with it. i always thought Ciri was a witcher and wanted to finish her training. also the decision point where you can choose to take her back to emperor or fight imlerith, she suggested going to fight so i felt like that is what she wanted. she didnt care about seeing her father as much.
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#67
Jun 4, 2015
stevenomes said:
so the witcher ending was the good ending right? empress was neutral since she kind of seemed like she didnt want to deal with it. i always thought Ciri was a witcher and wanted to finish her training. also the decision point where you can choose to take her back to emperor or fight imlerith, she suggested going to fight so i felt like that is what she wanted. she didnt care about seeing her father as much.
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Each has their pros and cons except, "Ciri dies."

Empress Ciri is unhappy but the world is probably a better place.

Witcher Ciri is happy but she can only help people on an individual level.

But yeah, remember Ciri and those traveling players? She shares she wants a life on the road with close friends as her highest aspiration.
 
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maderas

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#68
Jun 5, 2015
I find it hard to believe Ciri is any safer sitting on the throne of Nilfgaard than she already is anyway by the end of the game. She's essentially become a super saiyan by that point and she hasn't even mastered her abilities. She 3v1'd the most ancient, powerful monsters in Velen and killed two. In the final battle she cut down an entire platoon of Red Riders, some of the most dangerous and competent warriors in the entire Witcher universe, in seconds. She then proceeded to duel and very nearly smoke Caranthir, the only other living person in lore known to have powers even remotely comparable to Ciri's and only because of centuries of selective breeding and genetic manipulation by Avallac'h. The Wild Hunt is defeated. I think Ciri is more than capable of defending herself without the aid of the Empire. If anything, sending her to the Imperial court is just making it easier for the Philippa Eilharts of the world to find her.

DuranA said:
No one pushes her to make this decision, not Emhyr, not Yennefer and certainly NOT Geralt, who has always wanted her to become a witcher. This is Ciri's choice through and through whereas the Witcher ending, the so called "happy ending" is Geralt's choice for her, because like so many other people in her life Geralt thinks he knows what's best for her in that ending whereas in the other Ciri's decided, as someone who won't just straddle the fence like Geralt has, that she will try and do as much good as she can as a ruler, far more then she would ever do as a witcher.
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You seem hellbent on casting the Witcher ending in a really negative light, which is ironic given you were accusing other people of letting their anti-Nilfgaard bias sway their arguments. You get the Witcher ending by supporting all of Ciri's decisions, including the one to go avenge Vesemir rather than being drug off to the Emperor first. I think it's a stretch to imply Geralt is forcing anything on her in that ending... and one can hardly fault him for not being thrilled at the prospect of taking Ciri to Emhyr, the man who initially wanted to impregnate his own daughter and tried to force Geralt and Yennefer to kill themselves in order to cover it up.
 
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magnuskn

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#69
Jun 7, 2015
Willowhugger said:
Empress Ciri is unhappy but the world is probably a better place.
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And you know that she can't find contentment in bettering the world as Empress... how?
 
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Valkimedes

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#70
Jun 7, 2015
maderas said:
the man who initially wanted to impregnate his own daughter and tried to force Geralt and Yennefer to kill themselves in order to cover it up.
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But that Emhyr is from the books, in the game there's no clues, that he wish do the same. In fact Morvran Voorhis is the candidate to be the Emperor and the husband of Ciri. That we don't know is, if Ciri will accept to be the Wife of a man, that she doesn't love and then give him children.
 
warbaby2

warbaby2

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#71
Jun 7, 2015
Willowhugger said:
Each has their pros and cons except, "Ciri dies."

Empress Ciri is unhappy but the world is probably a better place.

Witcher Ciri is happy but she can only help people on an individual level.

But yeah, remember Ciri and those traveling players? She shares she wants a life on the road with close friends as her highest aspiration.
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Which is also most in line with books Ciri...
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#72
Jun 7, 2015
magnuskn said:
And you know that she can't find contentment in bettering the world as Empress... how?
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Probably because Ciri's adventure in Novigrad is all about how she loves being a commoner and hates pomp, ceremony, and responsibility.

Also, her first appearance in the "Sword of Destiny" is about how much Ciri hates everything about being a Princess.
 
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ivashanko

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#73
Jun 8, 2015
There is no reason based in a logical conclusion of the plot to think that Ciri and her friends never see each other again. Ciri can bend space and time. In my head canon all it means is that Ciri can only rarely see her friends, much less than she'd like (given that she hasn't seen them in years), and that Ciri knows she has to keep it a secret because it would put her friends in danger to see her openly.
 
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