What other reason could they have for bringing on a multiplayer development studio? Did they suddenly become altruists and decide to teach another studio how to make singleplayer content? :unsure:
No, I'm going to call a spade a spade here. If they didn't bring them on for multiplayer content, I will buy you a copy of the game on launch.
From the DS site:
(Emphasis mine.)Digital Scapes Studios Ltd said:
Now I'm not saying they aren't working on MP. What I am saying is that it could also be something else, such as the tools to build Night City to the size and fidelity that they want in a reasonable time frame. Until CDPR or DS give us confirmation one way or the other, we could all do with dialing the hype down a notch.
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From Variety:
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Oh, I'm far from hyped (about MP, I'm still excited about 2077). Quite the opposite, actually. I'd prefer there be no MP at all (clearly there will be, so I'm not going to get on my soapbox about that).
Sure, they could have brought them on board for any number of reasons, I guess. But they say they want an "online element" in 2077, and then they bring on board a studio with multiplayer expertise. Anything is possible, but I'm going to go with what I think the most likely scenario is for now.
Here's hoping I'm wrong! I'd be pretty happy if I was.
Yes I know there are other threads on MP and i believe i created (most of) them. But this is a subject that needs revisiting and a new thread.
So there are certain things we need to get straight.
1. Do we even want MP?
2. Does CDPR even want MP?
3. What should the MP even be?
Personally I don't want any PVP MP, I think we have enough fortnite, overwatch cod I think the genre has been exhausted but what i think is really lacking are PVE games.
Imagine you are a group 4 and you are doing a heist in the world of Cyberpunk. You got your muscle with a freaking minigun, you got your vixen that needs to sex the security guard stealth his apartment for the access key get a copy of the access key and tip toe out of there. You got your netrunner running diagnostics of the network hacking into the mainframe opening doors closing them keeping the alarm system from going off. And you have the tech guy who coordinates with the netrunner opening vaults and stuff. All of this is happening in real time. The tech guy is the scout knows where the sec guard is boozing. picks up the vixen drivers her to the local waits do the schmoozing waits outside the apartment shes done pick her up. Same time the muscle is scouting the local, what kind of guards are there what weapons are they using what kind of weapons are needed if things get hairy. All of this in real time. The netrunner is checking the sec doing some soft hacking knows the tools he needs to use.
If things go smooth all of them get into the escape car and drive out of there before anyone notices, if not.......imagine the last heist in the movie HEAT!!!!
And this is just one heist. I think this has some great potential. Robbing banks, taking down data servers. shooting a president of some company's airplane out of the air. Kidnap a senators daughter for ransom. Provide security for a celeb, like basically bodyguards. Ect ect the imagination is the only limitation.
So there are certain things we need to get straight.
1. Do we even want MP?
2. Does CDPR even want MP?
3. What should the MP even be?
Personally I don't want any PVP MP, I think we have enough fortnite, overwatch cod I think the genre has been exhausted but what i think is really lacking are PVE games.
Imagine you are a group 4 and you are doing a heist in the world of Cyberpunk. You got your muscle with a freaking minigun, you got your vixen that needs to sex the security guard stealth his apartment for the access key get a copy of the access key and tip toe out of there. You got your netrunner running diagnostics of the network hacking into the mainframe opening doors closing them keeping the alarm system from going off. And you have the tech guy who coordinates with the netrunner opening vaults and stuff. All of this is happening in real time. The tech guy is the scout knows where the sec guard is boozing. picks up the vixen drivers her to the local waits do the schmoozing waits outside the apartment shes done pick her up. Same time the muscle is scouting the local, what kind of guards are there what weapons are they using what kind of weapons are needed if things get hairy. All of this in real time. The netrunner is checking the sec doing some soft hacking knows the tools he needs to use.
If things go smooth all of them get into the escape car and drive out of there before anyone notices, if not.......imagine the last heist in the movie HEAT!!!!
And this is just one heist. I think this has some great potential. Robbing banks, taking down data servers. shooting a president of some company's airplane out of the air. Kidnap a senators daughter for ransom. Provide security for a celeb, like basically bodyguards. Ect ect the imagination is the only limitation.
multiplayer is in R&D now and I hope it won't take any resources away from real single player expansions. That beeing said, I don't really care to a classic MP, I will most likely ignore it, but if it's something different, something revolutionary, then I could give it a chance. My problem is that I'm in that age when you and your friends start getting married so people stop playing everything it's not COD/fifa twice a week, so I honestly don't have any friends to play videogames with. I tried GTA online with random players via matchmaking, but it's almost impossible to finish a proper session with people playing properly and not disconnecting = I get frustrated.
I didn't know how much I needed a PvE like that until you wrote that. Kudos!
I know they won't have multiplayer at launch, and if the singleplayer is as good as it looks I won't mind what form the multiplayer is in because I'll mostly ignore it. If the driving mechanics are good, then I wouldn't mind having races, but I don't need any free-for-all deathmatches or what not. Your PvE sounds like a lot of fun though.
I know they won't have multiplayer at launch, and if the singleplayer is as good as it looks I won't mind what form the multiplayer is in because I'll mostly ignore it. If the driving mechanics are good, then I wouldn't mind having races, but I don't need any free-for-all deathmatches or what not. Your PvE sounds like a lot of fun though.
There is also the possibility of you creating your own gang in night city. Every "clan" of players gets their own city no outsiders, so its PVE with your friends against the city. Take over the streets and even the corps. sell drugs. rob banks. run girls, open underground casinos. expand your gang by scouting for hired muscle. The hired muscle have stats some are better than others with different abilities like GUNS, Netrunning, charm, ect ect. And we can have this collectable thing going on within the game with you collecting the best hired guns think FIFA ultimate teams with you collecting the best players, same thing here.
THERE ARE MONOTIZATION ABILITIES HERE.
Every "clan" or "gang" has a leader. so your leader will tell u take a few goons NPCs and/or real clan members with you in that car and go take over that street. and u do while some other "clan" members take over another street. division of labour. all working together to take over the city.
I pitched this idea a while back dont know if its still up somewhere.
THERE ARE MONOTIZATION ABILITIES HERE.
Every "clan" or "gang" has a leader. so your leader will tell u take a few goons NPCs and/or real clan members with you in that car and go take over that street. and u do while some other "clan" members take over another street. division of labour. all working together to take over the city.
I pitched this idea a while back dont know if its still up somewhere.
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I think it is most likely that PvP would be optional, or restricted to a specific area of the map, for example the Pacifica district. Also the multiplayer in general GTA-like in concept, knowing that it will not be an integral part of the base game. Which could be fine if implemented well in practice, although that is probably easier said than done.
MP will come after launch, I wonder if it'll be a free patch or a DLC you'll need to buy? And, will it have microtransactions?
Multiplayer focused games (including Gwent as far as I know) usually have microtransactions, but to offset the bad PR from that, the online version of Cyberpunk could be released as free to play. It is also possible on the other hand that it will be just an optional mode of the base game where you can invite friends to play the story with, or let random people "invade" the game for PvP. However, that type of multiplayer tends to be designed as part of the game from the beginning.
I personally do not need the multiplayer, since this game is going to be an RPG, with a strong focus on single player story, as they have mentioned. Besides, none of the multiplayer stuff has been confirmed by CDPR, except that there will be no multiplayer at launch and that it is in R&D (which does not guarantee the game is going to have a multiplayer mode later).
I'd personally rather see a separate game with a multiplayer mode, than trying to include one into this particular title.
I'd personally rather see a separate game with a multiplayer mode, than trying to include one into this particular title.
There are actually more bits of information that suggest multiplayer is indeed coming eventually: CDPR received a government grant of about 6.7 million PLN some time ago to implement "seamless multiplayer" in the RED engine (and this kind of funding is likely only a fraction of the total budget allocated to MP), they have jobs available for network programmers under the Cyberpunk 2077 project, and a partnership with Digital Scapes (a studio specialized in multiplayer that also worked for example on the PvP mode of Dying Light) has recently been announced.
Of course, nothing is guaranteed, it could still be canceled in the end. Especially with recent or upcoming multiplayer games by other AAA developers selling poorly or receiving huge community backlash.
I think it is quite possible that multiplayer Cyberpunk would be a separate mode from the story campaign (similarly to GTA V or RDR 2), or even a stand-alone (I guess likely free to play) game.
Of course, nothing is guaranteed, it could still be canceled in the end. Especially with recent or upcoming multiplayer games by other AAA developers selling poorly or receiving huge community backlash.
I think it is quite possible that multiplayer Cyberpunk would be a separate mode from the story campaign (similarly to GTA V or RDR 2), or even a stand-alone (I guess likely free to play) game.
As far as I remember, only EA's games sold poorly and that was not for the quality, but for the stupid decisions to put invasive microtransactions and lootboxes in full price games, plus SJW pink haired lesbian soldiers with bionic limbs wielding katanas against BLACK german nazis during WW2 in battlefield V. Last CoD sold millions at day 1, not to mention PUBG and the most hated fortnite (f2p, but it's the most played/followed on twitch game of the year). How many people are still playing GTA online after 5 years?
I mean, I don't play online at all, but saying that those games are not commercially successful is wrong.
It is not only EA's recent multiplayer releases that did not sell well, Fallout 76 also sold maybe a couple million copies at best (not to mention all the fan outrage basically from the day of the game being announced), a small fraction compared to Fallout 4. While there is not much data on Anthem pre-orders so far, this site suggests it might be doing even worse than Fallout 76. Of course, I am not saying there are no highly successful multiplayer games, but it is definitely not something that just prints money with low effort and/or by copying the few successful trend setters.
From CDPR's point of view, it might simply not be worth the risk and the bad PR (against their established image of being focused on quality single player content and "leaving greed to others"). It can be seen even here that most votes are on the "do not need/do not want/do not care/optional coop at most" options, and few want serious investment in multiplayer.
From CDPR's point of view, it might simply not be worth the risk and the bad PR (against their established image of being focused on quality single player content and "leaving greed to others"). It can be seen even here that most votes are on the "do not need/do not want/do not care/optional coop at most" options, and few want serious investment in multiplayer.
Oh, c'mon, you can't take F76 as an exemple, it's the shittiest AAA game ever and bethesda is doing everything to make people even angrier (bag, whiskey, 18$ skins, ban if you mod the game (fair) but then ask you to write a small thesis about how bad is to cheat on games, like all players are 12 years old kids...).
Anthem is again an EA game, it's suffering from their recent results (EA has lost 44% of its stock value in 2018) and people are angry because it's made by bioware but it's a destiny-like game instead of being a classic RPG. And I quite agree with all these people since desitny is one of the most boring games I've ever tried. But still there's a lot of people on the internet who tried the alpha and say they loved it.
On the contrary, Activision, makes 4 billion $ (BILLIONS) just from microtransaction of online games, which have no R&D cost (only skins, they managed to sell red dot scopes for 1$ and people are buying it!).
Fro CDPR, it depends if they aim to hardcore gamers who spend their time on forums (0.01% of the gamers) or if they look at the vast majority who play CoD. I would say something in between from their story, but I don't know what they're planning to do with multiplayer. I'm quite sure that it'll be released at some point (they're hiring now and announced it from the beginning), but no idea about how it'll look like. They could go for the easy team deathmatch modes or for some complex story-driven multplayer expansion that will revolutionize the genre. We don't even know how RPG mechanics will be in the game, go figure how the online will be. It's up to them. The most important thing is that they are following rockstar model on this: you buy the single-player experience with no cash grabbing politics, then the multiplayer is something completely independant from it tht will come later.
Anthem is again an EA game, it's suffering from their recent results (EA has lost 44% of its stock value in 2018) and people are angry because it's made by bioware but it's a destiny-like game instead of being a classic RPG. And I quite agree with all these people since desitny is one of the most boring games I've ever tried. But still there's a lot of people on the internet who tried the alpha and say they loved it.
On the contrary, Activision, makes 4 billion $ (BILLIONS) just from microtransaction of online games, which have no R&D cost (only skins, they managed to sell red dot scopes for 1$ and people are buying it!).
Fro CDPR, it depends if they aim to hardcore gamers who spend their time on forums (0.01% of the gamers) or if they look at the vast majority who play CoD. I would say something in between from their story, but I don't know what they're planning to do with multiplayer. I'm quite sure that it'll be released at some point (they're hiring now and announced it from the beginning), but no idea about how it'll look like. They could go for the easy team deathmatch modes or for some complex story-driven multplayer expansion that will revolutionize the genre. We don't even know how RPG mechanics will be in the game, go figure how the online will be. It's up to them. The most important thing is that they are following rockstar model on this: you buy the single-player experience with no cash grabbing politics, then the multiplayer is something completely independant from it tht will come later.