[POLL] V's partner

[OG_VELI]

B) the blueprints that V inexplicably decides not to share with anyone (really, V, you're not gonna show Vik, your literal doctor? Or Judy, a neuro-tech specialist (who casually innovates difficult brain tech, btw)?? Or Rogue with all her resources???).

Yes, something could've been done with the blueprints before Mikoshi. After? No, because V is dealing with a neurological problem (immune system attacking its own neurons), which means the blueprints and the Relic are out of the equation.

Furthermore, what V's body is suffering from sounds exactly what Multiple Sclerosis does - the immune system attacks the nervous system. There is an in-game news report about Multiple Sclerosis and BioDyne Systems. It describes a nanite treatment, that when injected into the spinal cord, repair the neural tissue. This could be a possible solution for V's problem in the future.

I'm guessing they're going to focus on Panam since she flat out says she thinks she can help you with the Relic (as far as I can tell, it's never explained how - correct me if I'm wrong) and Mr Blue Eyes.

In the tabletop lore, the Aldecaldos are allied with StormTech, who have facilities in the Crystal Palace, so that's a potential contact and a destination for V.

 

[koalahugs]

If hellman, the arasaka's relic expert, can't be able to help you, i don't see how Judy could do it (with all her talents)
And if we trust Alt (who certainly knows what she is saying and would have no interest in lying, for that at least), V's DNA is altered. And here, Judy have no knowledge.
But i really hope i'm wrong, i would really like Judy to help me

I mean that's the thing, you certainly would hope that you're wrong - that's why you would ask anyway. Asking doesn't cost you anything and you're already dying.
As for Hellman, he's giving you his medical opinion (medical experts disagree with each other all the time) and Hellman recognises that:

"If you think there's anyone else who can help you, I could give you the blueprints."
And Johnny adds: "Better than nothing. Long as we know someone fluent in technobabble."

That's the game basically spelling it out for us. And when you look at the main characters, Judy's an obvious starting point. I'm not saying she would instantly cure you then and there; I'm sure it could be way more creative and challenging than that. The writers could've done all sorts of things, gotten other characters to help Judy, link it in with the nomads, etc. Hell they could even have it end in failure and still develop the characters, their relationships, and not have a dangling plot thread.

In any case, the fact that Panam texts you claiming to have a solution, when she doesn't even know about the blueprints, Mikoshi, or any of that, seems way more out of left field to me, so I don't see why Judy coming up with a plan if she's shown the blueprints would be implausible

 

[SpookyFX]

Furthermore, what V's body is suffering from sounds exactly what Multiple Sclerosis does - the immune system attacks the nervous system. There is an in-game news report about Multiple Sclerosis and BioDyne Systems. It describes a nanite treatment, that when injected into the spinal cord, repair the neural tissue. This could be a possible solution for V's problem in the future.

YES! That is exactly the kind of line of events (in a game) that would make it completely believable for Judy to be the one to save V.

Because sometimes it takes a clever person who is not overly educated in the TEC outside the realm of the experts to see a simpler solution the experts did not because they are too busy trying to engineer the hard answers.

I have seen this happen in real life in engineering more than once (I worked in special effects).

I remember reading about this (as an example) 20 years ago. If I remember right it was in "Ocean Engineering Studies" by "Stachiw"

In the field of sub-marine vehicles for years engineers had a hell of a time trying to cast four inch thick (I think it was four inches I am foggy on that detail) very large clear plastic window domes without it ending up with bubbles in the production. Finally an amateur artist that played around with casting large acrylic sculptors found the solution. He was a professional hair dresser...

 

[koalahugs]

Yes, something could've been done with the blueprints before Mikoshi. After? No, because V is dealing with a neurological problem (immune system attacking its own neurons), which means the blueprints and the Relic are out of the equation.

Furthermore, what V's body is suffering from sounds exactly what Multiple Sclerosis does - the immune system attacks the nervous system. There is an in-game news report about Multiple Sclerosis and BioDyne Systems. It describes a nanite treatment, that when injected into the spinal cord, repair the neural tissue. This could be a possible solution for V's problem in the future.


In the tabletop lore, the Aldecaldos are allied with StormTech, who have facilities in the Crystal Palace, so that's a potential contact and a destination for V.

Agreed, though isn't that a good case for why one could place DLC before Mikoshi? And then another DLC for after? BTW, I love all this, I can already see the content in my head now...

 

[LeKill3rFou]

You have too much imagination for me, I throw the sponge (if it is said in english)
I just "wait and see" patiently with some hopes. But nothings too serious, except for more Judy's content (extrem hopes here)

 

[koalahugs]

You have too much imagination for me, I throw the sponge (if it is said in english)

You have no idea how accurate this is haha

 

[SpookyFX]

HEY!!! I just realized that if the DEV is asking us about this that is a strong indications that V will survive in the DLC!!?
Otherwise it seems a little strange to see ANOTHER character is making time with V's squeez.

Considering that most if not all the people answering this inquiry DID already have a more than platonic relationship with one of the poll choices.

Unless this DLC is a flash back to before the endgame but not before the start of the game.

 

[Didacgomez]

HEY!!! I just realized that if the DEV is asking us about this that is a strong indications that V will survive in the DLC!!?
Otherwise it seems a little strange to see ANOTHER character is making time with V's squeez.

Considering that most if not all the people answering this inquiry DID already have a more than platonic relationship with one of the poll choices.

Unless this DLC is a flash back to before the endgame but not before the start of the game.

They are just polishing the order of NPCs to die in the new story arc.
Last decision of V will be between saving him/herself,the favorite love interest from the poll or a bus full of kids ,the last panda bear and the scientist that can erradicate world hunger. It will be revealed that Misty is the mastermind pulling strings in Night City.

 

[LeKill3rFou]

You have no idea how accurate this is haha

God damn, I thought about it last night

Well, we all agree Judy is (very) smart, she's the best in her domain (BD edition and robotic i suppose) and she's an artist.

But, I will give an example to explain the bottom of my thought (if it is clear ... for me, yes)
Let's imagine that Judy is an expert in art/luxury watchmaking (yes, let's imagine ...) and we would ask her to help us to solve a technical problem on a particle accelerator (like Hadron).
These two domains could be considered "mechanics/technology" but they are so far apart that it is almost doomed to fail (despite all these skills).

Does that make sense ? if not, I throw in the sponge again

 

[koalahugs]

God damn, I thought about it last night

Well, we all agree Judy is (very) smart, she's the best in her domain (BD edition and robotic i suppose) and she's an artist.

But, I will give an example to explain the bottom of my thought (if it is clear ... for me, yes)
Let's imagine that Judy is an expert in art/luxury watchmaking (yes, let's imagine ...) and we would ask her to help us to solve a technical problem on a particle accelerator (like Hadron).
These two domains could be considered "mechanics/technology" but they are so far apart that it is almost doomed to fail (despite all these skills).

Does that make sense ? if not, I throw in the sponge again

What's the French phrase?

Ce qui est dit est dit.

In other words, trust me, I understand, I know you think Judy isn't qualified. You don't have to dress the same point in a different package, I totally hear you!

But I disagree, for all the reasons already said. I would also encourage you to look at all the other points I made, because it's not just about this one thing (if you want, that is! Not trying to be pompous )

 

[LeKill3rFou]

What's the French phrase?

Ce qui est dit est dit.

In other words, trust me, I understand, I know you think Judy isn't qualified. You don't have to dress the same point in a different package, I totally hear you!

But I disagree, for all the reasons already said. I would also encourage you to look at all the other points I made, because it's not just about this one thing (if you want, that is! Not trying to be pompous )

At the same time, maybe i'm pompous or have no imagination at all
Or maybe i take that one too serious :
"Avec des 'Si' on mettrait Paris en bouteille"
But it's certainly for that i'm just a gamer who just play and simply hope some future adventures with Judy.

 

[SpookyFX]

God damn, I thought about it last night

Well, we all agree Judy is (very) smart, she's the best in her domain (BD edition and robotic i suppose) and she's an artist.

But, I will give an example to explain the bottom of my thought (if it is clear ... for me, yes)
Let's imagine that Judy is an expert in art/luxury watchmaking (yes, let's imagine ...) and we would ask her to help us to solve a technical problem on a particle accelerator (like Hadron).
These two domains could be considered "mechanics/technology" but they are so far apart that it is almost doomed to fail (despite all these skills).

Does that make sense ? if not, I throw in the sponge again

Oh you are not going to like this...

Amateurs solving problems on colliders:

The do-it-yourself cyclotron

Amateur cyclotron builders are dedicated, tenacious, and obsessed. Another thing they have in common: The experience changes their lives.

www.symmetrymagazine.org

AND Judy can CROWD SOURCE on the net as well!
Sometimes the people that should be excepted to solve a problem cannot because they are not actually motivated to do so.
And a less capable person with a burning desire will bang their head on the problem like an obsession until they stumble over the answer.

I myself am the equivalent of Judy trying to work on a the Relic when it comes to mod making. I am a two finger slow coder with terrible math skills, I cannot spell and I have dyslexia. But I made many popular mods for Oblivion and one of them was used by a large AAA DEV for one of their games. That mod took me a nightmare of trail and error (mostly error) to make because of my poor skills but I did it!

I would say Judy could have that level of burring desire for this particular situation.
At least as a plot in a game story anyway.
No worse than most silly TV shows!

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Oh you are not going to like this...
Amateurs solving problems on colliders:

The do-it-yourself cyclotron

Amateur cyclotron builders are dedicated, tenacious, and obsessed. Another thing they have in common: The experience changes their lives.

www.symmetrymagazine.org

No, why ? i like it
(Even though Mark Yuly doesn't seem like much of a "true" amateur > i go out )

In your case (GG ) but it's your knowledge apply in your domain.
"For me" :
Judy's knowledge is in mecanic/technology (maybe more but nothing about it ingame, if i'm correct).
V's problem is alteration of DNA (said by Alt).
It's seem to me, two too differents domains.

But whatever, if I'm wrong, so much the better and if I'm right, so much the better

 

[NorseGraphics]

No, why ? i like it
(Even though Mark Yuly doesn't seem like much of a "true" amateur > i go out )

In your case (GG ) but it's your knowledge apply in your domain.
"For me" :
Judy's knowledge is in mecanic/technology (maybe more but nothing about it ingame, if i'm correct).
V's problem is alteration of ADN (said by Alt).
It's seem to me, two too differents domains.

But whatever, if I'm wrong, so much the better and if I'm right, so much the better

Yeah, I don't think DNA-configuration through the Relic-chip is Judy's strong suit. That's Hellman's domain.

 

[Valer48]

I'm just jazzed to see a respectful and engaging debate on this!

I think the game hints at Judy possibly having a larger role, but whether or not it goes anywhere is TBD.

Keep up the great discussion!

 

[SpookyFX]

Yeah, I don't think DNA-configuration through the Relic-chip is Judy's strong suit. That's Hellman's domain.

Hellman does not have an obsession to solve the puzzle, Judy presumably will.
With crowd sourcing, an inspired creative solution and existing (and canon) nano TEC that already can rewrite DNA, that is enough to make it believable for a game.

And keep in mind the DEV showed us Judy and V were already starting to try (as seen by the research papers in the new apartment).
So I would like to think that they agree with me on this one, meaning that they think it could be one of the time lines.

edit: LOVE CONQUERS ALL BABY!

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Hellman does not have an obsession to solve the puzzle, Judy presumably will.
With crowd sourcing, an inspired creative solution and existing (and canon) nano TEC that already can rewrite DNA, that is enough to make it believable for a game.

And keep in mind the DEV showed us Judy and V were already starting to try (as seen by the research papers in the new apartment).

If we assume that it is after Mikoshi and after one of the endings (except Devil).
-In my opinion, Hellman is probably dead (Hanako is dead, Goro commits suicide). No chance that Yorinobu spared him (or I missed some information).
-For female V, no doubt, Judy will move heaven and earth to help V.
-For Male V, i'm not so sur. If she leave NC, it's not for return in the Nightmare.

And yes, for to cure V, there might be a lot of creative solutions

 

[SpookyFX]

If we assume that it is after Mikoshi and after one of the endings (except Devil).
-In my opinion, Hellman is probably dead (Hanako is dead, Goro commits suicide). No chance that Yorinobu spared him (or I missed some information).
-For female V, no doubt, Judy will move heaven and earth to help V.
-For Male V, i'm not so sur. If she leave NC, it's not for return in the Nightmare.

And yes, for to cure V, there might be a lot of creative solutions

Oh yes you are right, I just assumed we all were talking about the romances version because of the Poll. A poor assumption on my part sorry.

Yes it would be far less believable for male V to be saved by Judy. It will be interesting to see how the DEV handle the fact that about half the people went male and the other half went female (as indicated by the poll).

I guess they will do one of each in the DLC if that is really what this DEV poll was all about. So COOL BEANS we could get BOTH Judy AND Paman!

 

[LeKill3rFou]

If i had to bet on a DLC "romances/friends", it would be on a DLC for mid-game with all 4 characters include (before the no-return point at least). It would not change the ends, nor the romances/frienships, easy and practical
Especially it seems impossible to me to do it after the endings, they are really too different.

It would be stingy to get one for each

 

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