Poll: What are your thoughts on Mass Effect 3?

[227]

I don't know what suddenly changed your mind. Nothing i've seen has indicated that the majorities' stance has gone from "Makes no sense" to "Need happy ending".

From the article:

"We want Bioware to add some more 'sweet' to their 'bittersweet' ending. What better way to do this than with CUPCAKES :-D."

The ending is still dumb and my mind isn't changed on that, but this is just too much carrot and not enough stick. Either the endings were "normal bad," in which case it happens sometimes and people have to deal with it, or they were contrary to what people were led to expect and need to be changed. The latter is a case where you use the stick, not the carrot, even if the carrot has a smartass comment written on it.

 

[Aver]

But hey no one complained about it. No one complained that they've invested 30 hours or more into the game, and that their decisions didn't matter. Why is that ?
They promised the same thing. Different endings based on your decisions.

No, Eidos didn't promise that, and on other hand BioWare indeed promised that your decisions that you made through all 3 games will change ending, and they promised it a few weeks before release.

Also, people shouldn't complain if product doesn't provide them satisfaction because of kids dying in Africa. It will save those kids?

I'm saying that as person that don't really care about endings of ME3. I didn't like it but I don't fight for new endings.

 

[Keloo]

No, they didn't and BioWare indeed promised that your decisions that you made through all 3 games will change ending, and they promised it a few weeks before release.

Also, people shouldn't complain if product doesn't provide them satisfaction because of kids dying in Africa. It will save those kids?

I'm saying that as person that don't really care about endings of ME3. I didn't like it but I don't fight for new endings.

You've completely missed my point, or you're just trying to be a smartass here.
I find it really pathetic and immature to make such a drama, and overreact about the ending of a damn video game.
And how many problems and obsessions some people have with video games or movies. They take them so seriously like it's the one and only thing it the world that matters to them, nothing else.

Compared to other problems in life this is simply ridiculous.
But people can complain as much as they like, because that won't save the kids in Africa. The hell with them, what do we care ?

And what do we care about unimportant meaningless stuff like others dying of hunger, poverty, or disease, we got more important stuff to worry about, like the plot, ending, or gameplay of a video game. Right ?

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

What kind of logic is that?

If you cared so damn much, you wouldn't be playing video games (and complaining about those who complain about video games), you'd be there feeding them.

There, two can play at this game. Which has no point and is unnecessarily condescending.

 

[Keloo]

What kind of logic is that?

If you cared so damn much, you wouldn't be playing video games (and complaining about those who complain about video games), you'd be there feeding them.

Well boohoo, sorry that my comments make no sense to you. I find it really ignorant and arrogant to make such a statement. It's more obvious to me that most of gamers take their games way too seriously, and don't give a damn about anything else. Except spending all day long on forums complaining about serious stuff as gaming and demanding changes upon changes, do you do anything else, that's less "important" ?

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

It's more obvious that most of gamers take their games way too seriously, and act like ignorant children.

Which you could have said without bringing in the plights of the world, as you are as useless to the African kids as they are. That way, you avoid hypocrisy and condescension.

EDIT: I am the head and co-founder of a student lead development NGO, so yea I do less important stuff.

 

[Keloo]

Which you could have said without bringing in the plights of the world, as you are as useless to the African kids as they are. That way, you avoid hypocrisy and condescension.

I didn't come up with all the African kids bs. I just said that I find it pathetic and ridiculous how gamers act, and make so much drama and complain all day long on forums about games. Compared to other more important stuff in life(job, family, health for instance) it's just pathetic. But if you think I'm a hypocrite because I dared to think out loud, then be my guest, I don't care.

EDIT: I am the head and co-founder of a student lead development NGO, so yea I do less important stuff.

Well good for you that you care. I wasn't referring to you, I was talking in general. Again sorry for thinking out loud, I got kind of pissed and fed up of reading the same stuff(dramas and complaints) daily on forums.

 

[thedagothur]

I'm about 10 hours in, and it's completely meh(to me).

The gameplay is fine, it's a lot like Mass Effect 2, however, the mechanicism of the gameplay makes the cover system tedious and problematic, and this has gotten worse thanks to the level design.

The story so far is a piece of shit with more holes than one of the Jack the reaper's victims.
Where the Fuck did this Reaper-Destructo-thingy came from?
Who's James Vega?

The characters are ok, my favorite are Liara and Garrus, but i would've liked more insight in them, specially because the Loyalty missions are gone.

I Can't say much else, but it's not looking very good.

BioWare is honestly dead to me,not only has Their quality has been very hit or miss since forever and Besides DA:O they haven't done a Single game that can live up to KOTOR and much less BG2(imo, obviously), but their recent practices have made me realize what a bunch of greedy cock suckers they've become.

Maybe it'll get better and i'll eat my words, but i doubt it.

 

[Aver]

You've completely missed my point, or you're just trying to be a smartass here.
I find it really pathetic and immature to make such a drama, and overreact about the ending of a damn video game.
And how many problems and obsessions some people have with video games or movies. They take them so seriously like it's the one and only thing it the world that matters to them, nothing else.

Compared to other problems in life this is simply ridiculous.
But people can complain as much as they like, because that won't save the kids in Africa. The hell with them, what do we care ?

And what do we care about unimportant meaningless stuff like others dying of hunger, poverty, or disease, we got more important stuff to worry about, like the plot, ending, or gameplay of a video game. Right ?

Do you know that gamers that don't like ending gathered almost 200 000 dollars for charity organization Child's Play? See, they are no unproductive as you think. Also I don't think that there is conflict between ending of the game and kids in Africa. Gamer can post his complains on BioWare Social Network and few minutes later donate 100$ dollars for charity, but don't expect people to spent all their time on helping other.

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Cosmin

I do find it a bit over-dramatic and excessive myself. Just the way that it was phrased irked me, apologies if I was too aggressive.

The story so far is a piece of shit with more holes than one of the Jack the reaper's victims.

Thank you.
What pisses me off the most about people criticizing the ending (rightfully so) is that it has taken attention away from the whole.

 

[Keloo]

Do you know that gamers that don't like ending gathered almost 200 000 dollars for charity organization Child's Play? See, they are no unproductive as you think. Also I don't think that there is conflict between ending of the game and kids in Africa. Gamers can post his complains on BioWare Social Network and few minutes later donate 100$ dollars for charity. Don't expect people to spent all their time on helping other.

Again, I don't expect people to spend all their time donating stuff and helping others. I was just thinking, that gamers dramas and daily complaints are nothing compared to serious problems, and should be more grateful and appreciate more what they have, because one day they might end up with nothing.

I know how difficult it is to don't have a job, or to get sick. And I find gaming related problems so ridiculous compared to other things that really matter in life.

Sorry for thinking about loud, and making such a problem about this.

 

[thedagothur]

Guys, look at this video and tell me Bioware hasn't just trolled us all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZOyeFvnhiI&feature=youtu.be

lolno.

BioWare Writers have NEVER been this competent and quite frankly very few writers have ever been(the only one i can think of would the one who Wrote Planescape Torment and the Legacy of Kain series).

 

[Aver]

Again, I don't expect people to spend all their time donating stuff and helping others. I was just thinking, that gamers dramas and daily complaints are nothing compared to serious problems, and should be more grateful and appreciate more what they have, because one day they might end up with nothing. Sorry for thinking about loud, and making such a problem about this. Geez...

I didn't want to be offensive.

For you it may be just a stupid drama. But you know, it's your point of view. For many people 60$ (+10$day one DLC) is a LOT of money. I think that they have right to make a drama if they wanna to do so.

 

[Keloo]

I didn't want to be offensive.

For you it may be just a stupid drama. But you know, it's your point of view. For many people 60$ (+10$day one DLC) is a LOT of money. I think that they have right to make a drama if they wanna to do so.

I don't think it's the fact that they've payed 60$ is the problem here. Especially in US where the average income is 2k per month. I'm from Romania, where the average salary is 200 euros per month. I live with 400 euros a month, so imagine spending 40 euros on a game. I have to save money to afford it. And still I don't complain like some, that don't make such a financial effort to buy a game. But hey, that's another story. To much OT anyway.

 

[Pangaea666]

I know where you are coming from Myself Cosmin. I tend to agree with you. There are so many problems in the world, and name me any problem we have in the west, and it dwarfs with real problems real people have most other places in the world. People have it so well, especially in the US, Western Europe and such, but we don't know how well we have it and keep complaining on every small issues like it'll bring the world to an end. A story problem or ending problem in a game is NOTHING compared to not having money to buy food, medicine, or having to walk 10 kms to the nearest well. I have worked with some of these issues, and it's truly gut-wrenching how little we care about it, and how terrible people have it in too many places in the world to list.

It's kind of like the old Roman slogan. "Bread and Circus." We have food and we certainly have enough entertainment. So we don't give a flying fuck about anything else, generally speaking. We whine and whinge and rant about gas prices or immigrants or any other small non-issue. Or game endings. It's a symptom of a much larger problem. The only way to really understand this properly is to live somewhere else for a while, where society isn't as perfect as most places in the so-called Western world.

That's not to say gamers can't complain about a shit game they paid lots of money for. Of course they can. They should. But although I've hardly been soft on ME3 myself and find the whole thing a bit of a joke, the criticism of the game has become incredibly massive for some reason. I happen to think this works in favour of Bioware, but it is odd that so many people seem ready to jump off tall buildings because they didn't get their favourite ending to a video game. But more importantly in the context of the game, it overshadows the much more serious criticisms of the game, like the massive story holes throughout the whole thing.

The hope is that with time more deeper questions about the industry will be asked, about artificial reviews (and scores), the dumbing down of virtually any game coming out from major studios, the homogeneity of the gaming gene pool. It is leading us nowhere good, and I hope the continuous fuckups by Bioware and the reviewers finding themselves with their trousers around their ankles time and again will with time impact on more than just low user scores on Metacritic and the odd negative article in Forbes or gaming magazines.

 

[dragonbird]

I half agree, but overall I don't like the "how can you care about little things when there are so many big problems?" argument. It is possible to care about more than one thing at a time, and ignoring problems because they are trivial doesn't make them go away.

There are two extremes that we see every day, on every topic. One is the Entitlement/Egotist/Solipsist view - "I want this. I don't care about anyone else. My needs and desires supersede everything". The other extreme is the Masochism view - "You can't fight Big Companies. You have no right to complain. Just roll over and take it like the worm you are". The first saddens me, but the second worries the hell out of me, because if people don't complain, nothing ever gets righted. So it doesn't matter how trivial something is - if it's wrong, and that concerns you, then you should try to do something about it. Because once you start to believe that you shouldn't complain, it affects the big problems too.

Of course, the "do something about it" doesn't justify hyperbole, so no, I don't have a lot of sympathy for anyone who claims that their life has been ruined because ME3 doesn't have the ending that was promised. But overall, I think that this entire episode is a learning lesson that will be good in the long term for the gaming industry, good for gamers, and therefore make the world a tiny bit better.

 

[Garrison72]

The best criticism I've seen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MlatxLP-xs&feature=player_embedded

 

[gregski]

This whole "cupcake thing" makes me wonder...

I assume 400 cupcakes = 400 people in Bioware.

400 people in Bioware = DA2, ME3

ca 100 people in CDPR = TW2

/compares quality between TW2 and DA2/ME3

/imagines CDPR having 400 people working on games

And about the whole ending controversy. Guys, from Bioware's POV, making another ending to ME3 is the only right thing to do(if they haven't done it already):

1. They have been accused of a being on a decline since DA2, dumbing down their games, shitty writing and all that.

2. Pissing people off about ME3 ending seems like another big nail to their coffin, it makes so many people pissed off and pissed off means emotionally hooked.

3. Now, turning those strong negative emotions into positive ones, surprising literally everybody by some form of a "true" ending would both: generate even more praise about ME3 being an awesome game, 10/10 and stuff AND put Bioware in a position of bold, "no-one-has-done-it-before" gods of storytelling in games, so they can reclaim their throne and shut off any angry Biodrone, gaining even more loyalty. The message they would send is "we knew more than you because we are genius and you, earthly being couldn't even grasp it with your little minds" and people would buy it just as they bought other shitty stuff shoved down their throats.

 

[Aver]

This whole "cupcake thing" makes me wonder...

I assume 400 cupcakes = 400 people in Bioware.

400 people in Bioware = DA2, ME3

I think that BW would made much better game than they did if they would have enough time. They already admitted that they had to cut out some content because of budget and deadline.

 

[thedagothur]

pffs, i have a hard time believing that even those fat fuckers at EA would allow the release of a Fake ending.