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Poll: What are your thoughts on Mass Effect 3?

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teacup775

Senior user
#221
Mar 30, 2012
ME3. I felt like the subtitle should be the long goodbye. I liked the AI ( Legion and EDI) , Garrus, Joker, Mordin, and Javik the most. And the female Krogen. Hacket and Anderson.

Shepard? meh.

The combat AI was unsatisying. Predictable and stupid. Never liked any of the music in the series. Dull as doornails.
 
gregski

gregski

Moderator
#222
Mar 30, 2012
The cupcake story continues!

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/29/this-is-what-400-cupcakes-looks-like.aspx
 
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thedagothur

Rookie
#223
Mar 30, 2012
KnightofPhoenix said:
I'd only care in the sense that there wouldn't be enough competition to CDPR to drive them to excel.

But in and of itself, no I wouldn't care.
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Well there is still Obsidian, Piranha Bites and.... whatever team made DX:HR.
 
Aver

Aver

Forum veteran
#224
Mar 30, 2012
TheDagothUr said:
Well there is still Obsidian, Piranha Bites and.... whatever team made DX:HR.
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Obsidian is almost dead and Eidos Montreal won't make any RPG in near future.
 
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thedagothur

Rookie
#225
Mar 30, 2012
Aver said:
Obsidian is almost dead
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I Think they still aprox. 100 workers, which i think it's fairly healthy.
i guess we'll have to see how well does That South Park game does, and then they'll get(i think) a last Chance with a Wheel of time game.
It'd be a Shame if Obsidian died though, i hope at least the writers go to some place where their talent will be fully used.

Aver said:
and Eidos Montreal won't make any RPG in near future.
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When did they said this?
 
Aver

Aver

Forum veteran
#226
Mar 30, 2012
TheDagothUr said:
When did they said this?
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Soon after DX:HR release. They said they will focus now on renewing Thief franchise.
 
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thedagothur

Rookie
#227
Mar 30, 2012
Aver said:
Soon after DX:HR release. They said they will focus now on renewing Thief franchise.
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oh.

Well, Damn.
But luckily, i love the The Thief Series :D
 
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mrowakus

Forum veteran
#228
Mar 30, 2012
Aver said:
Soon after DX:HR release. They said they will focus now on renewing Thief franchise.
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If they stick to the formula from Thief 1 and 2 then godspeed to them.
 
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JironGhrad.309

Rookie
#229
Apr 5, 2012
Frankly, I really enjoyed ME 3, and despite the warning of the guy claiming you could lose everything in multiplayer, I've been playing it since release on the 360 and haven't heard a single thing about anyone losing stuff. Further, I actually really like the multiplayer... it's similar enough to horde mode from Gears 3 to be familiar, but different enough to be enjoyable in its own right.And I can't strongly disagree enough with the people who want a new ending. There are several core components people keep missing:

1. Things are left "unexplained and full of plot holes" because in the scope of the game, the storyteller (who we see at the end) doesn't necessarily know the answers.
2. People complain that they don't feel like they got to influence the ending enough, but this is a point where the story is NOT ending. The fact that Shepard can survive doesn't mean that whatever game ME 4 might turn out to be will be about him. Conceptually, it's fits the same transitional presentation from Wing Commander 3 to 4: the main character from 3 becomes a supporting character and a new protagonist is introduced.
3. The Indoctrination of Shepard video makes entirely too much sense (and is especially worth noting) particularly because it's made entirely from audio and video taken from the 3 games themselves. The main argument against the video is that some people think the plotlines have been too shallow, but plot depth is there if you bother to look past the cinematic presentation.
 
gregski

gregski

Moderator
#230
Apr 5, 2012
I don't want to start a new thread, so here's some info about the almighty EA getting a very important award:

http://consumerist.com/2012/04/congratulations-ea-you-are-the-worst-company-in-america-for-2012.html
 
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Chewin3

Rookie
#231
Apr 5, 2012
Speaking of EA, they recently announced that ME3 is getting a DLC, called (for now, presumably) Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, and which people seem to get for no extra charge.

Though ironic however, the "free" DLC expires April 12, 2014.
 
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Pangaea666

Forum veteran
#232
Apr 5, 2012
It isn't, but it would be amusing if that was 666 days after the release of the game.
 
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mrowakus

Forum veteran
#233
Apr 5, 2012
JironGhrad said:
1. Things are left "unexplained and full of plot holes" because in the scope of the game, the storyteller (who we see at the end) doesn't necessarily know the answers.
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The thing is, there was no "storyteller" to speak of - and no, I don't count that grandpa at the end as a storyteller. Plotholes are plotholes - questions raised - no answers - bad storytelling.

2. People complain that they don't feel like they got to influence the ending enough, but this is a point where the story is NOT ending. The fact that Shepard can survive doesn't mean that whatever game ME 4 might turn out to be will be about him. Conceptually, it's fits the same transitional presentation from Wing Commander 3 to 4: the main character from 3 becomes a supporting character and a new protagonist is introduced.
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The main story arch is over. Wanting a conlusion to the main story-arch is I think, a quite reasonable thing to do. Again, bad story-telling.

3. The Indoctrination of Shepard video makes entirely too much sense (and is especially worth noting) particularly because it's made entirely from audio and video taken from the 3 games themselves. The main argument against the video is that some people think the plotlines have been too shallow, but plot depth is there if you bother to look past the cinematic presentation.
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There is no ploth-depth if there are plotholes. Those two can't really appear together in any way. And indoctrination theory is wrong for the same reason excessive use of magic in fantasy is wrong. You can't explain everything that's illogical in narrative by saying "duh, it's magic/indoctrination". Otherwise the story has no point and is simply put a string of sensationalist scenes.
 
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Eri94_user70

Forum veteran
#234
Apr 6, 2012
Had to go with hated everything, because it came closest to describing my feelings, but did not quite capture them entirely.

As a Mass effect game, ME3 is a dismal conclusion to the trilogy. Mass Effect 3 is nothing less than an utter betrayal of every value, and evey choice and every consequence the prior two games exemplified and promoted as their core rationale. In the end no choice you made mattered, nothing you tried to accomplish mattered. Nothing mattered aside from setting up the next franchise sale.

Prior to the last ten minutes of ME3, there was a solution to every seemingly insurmountable difference between organic and synthetic life, and to every conflict between the organic races of the galaxy. In fact I resolved the conflict between the Geth and Quarians to the point at which they were assisting one another on the formerly disputed Quarian home world. Conflict between Turian, Salarian, Asari and Krogan were all solvable, not easily, but doable if you were reslutely trying to do so fairly.

There was no conflict between synthetic and organic on Rannoch, if anything there was the beginning of a genuine friendship. Krogan were assisting the Turians in retaking Palaven.

The same with EDI and Joker, even up to the level of a platonic romance.

But then, after every effort I'd made, and every hard won success, MacGuffin al Deus Ex Machina, aka as Starbrat, appeared and told me everything I thought I knew was wrong.

Apparently, synthetics always kill their creators, so Starbrat, who is a synthetic, created the Reapers, who are also synthetics, or some bizarre hybrid, to exterminate all advanced organic life before they could create advanced synthetics who would inevitably exterminate all organic life. Just like he was doing at the moment he was giving me this absurd explanation.

Worse, He said this with no apparent irony whatsoever.

This despite what was happening on Rannoch. This despite Joker and EDI. Despite everything I did, despite all the alleged agency i had to shape the destiny of the galaxy. I had three choices only, all awful and utterly absurd and as inconsistent as could be possible with everthing that was accomplished in the course of three games.

If that makes no sense to you, than you must be an idiot. If you don't agree, look at all the perfect and near perfect scores that ME3 has earned from incorruptible critical outlets like IGN, who just happened to have a staff member do a cameo in the game. An utterly pointless character complete with a conspicuously higher resolution model, at least compared with the much more blocky and crudely animated models seen elsewhere in the game, of their own reporter, Ms. Whatshername, was there occupying a room on the Normandy in place of any dozen characters from the prior games who would have made far more sense to have on board in her place. I'm sure ther's an explanation for this, but I just cant think of the word...Starts with a 'b' and ends in 'ribe'? Or maybe the other word, it also starts with a 'b' but ends in 'lackmail'? But, I'm sure Ms. Payoff's appearance was only a coincidence.

Still, maybe if they left out Ms. Kickback, they would have had the spare resources so that Liara could have had more than two expressoions. The same could be said of the rest of the crew. Ms. IGN got a great deal of attention from the character modelers and animators, but the regulars on board got screwed.

Most conversations are in the Zaeed/Kasumi discount dialogue mode rather than the cinematic mode that the prior two games used so effectively. Bioware was not just cutting corners in ME3, but cutting out whole structural elements of what made the games special in the first place.

In the end, I was given a choice of three diferent color variations of a bespoke nihilistic ending that made utterly no sense given the background the prior games had laid of self-determination and individuality, choice and consequence. It was dragon Age 2 all over again, and Bioware had clearly learned nothing from that dismal failure whatsoever.

A few quick additional points:

Origin is a fucking disaster. Bioware lied about only needing to log in once to register the game. You must,in fact, be logged in at all times or you get a pop up message stating that Origin has lost contact with the server, which freezes the game and will bypass any conversation you are in or leave you frozen during combat. This is a de facto constant online connection required DRM akin to Ubisoft's DRM.

The single player combat sucks: Extremely sloppy enemy hit boxes, crappy AI, especially teammate AI. Weapons stats bear no resemblance to actual weapon damage, etc, etc.

To put it quite simply, Bioware lied their despicable asses off about this game. They knew precisely what fans wanted from this game or they would not have actively carried out a deceitful promotion campaign promising to deliver just such a conclusion. They were very consistent in that message from it's formal reveal in Game Informer, to the multitude of statements made after the game went gold.

And every word of it was nothing but lies. I'll never even consider another game from EA or Bioware.
 
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Seboist

Rookie
#235
Apr 6, 2012
Anybody that thought the crucible plot was going to end well have only themselves to blame. Think about it, a deux ex machina device that conveniently shows up right under the noses of our heroes 30 minutes into the third game of a trilogy where they haven't a clue what it does or if it even works but they decide to pool most of their resources into it? Not to mention that the Reapers also conveniently have never heard of this device after countless cycles?

That was just a bomb waiting to go off and that's not even getting into the other horrid issues that POS of a story had like a retconned Cerberus superpower that overshadows the reapers and said giant metal space bugs having the tactical knowledge of a 5 year old girl.
 
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tracker05

Senior user
#236
Apr 10, 2012
Sorry to be late for the ball; my essay.. http://parallaxcg.blogspot.com/2012/04/virtual-worlds-in-sky.html ;)
 
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username_2093396

Senior user
#237
Apr 10, 2012
Seboist said:
That was just a bomb waiting to go off and that's not even getting into the other horrid issues that POS of a story had like a retconned Cerberus superpower that overshadows the reapers and said giant metal space bugs having the tactical knowledge of a 5 year old girl.
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Come on now, that's not fair -- I'm sure Anais could do better than that :p
 
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chromie92

Rookie
#238
Apr 10, 2012
Seboist said:
Anybody that thought the crucible plot was going to end well have only themselves to blame.
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I called it years ago when I first played ME1. I said Bioware wouldn't know how to finish it and fuck it up. They used a superweapon which is even worse.
 
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KnightofPhoenix

Rookie
#239
Apr 10, 2012
Seboist said:
Anybody that thought the crucible plot was going to end well have only themselves to blame.
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Well anyone who thought the entire Reaper thing was going to end well were kidding themselves. You don't create an enemy that is impossible to beat conventionally and not have a deus ex machina.

They could have created a better machina, but it would still have been crap.
 
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Seboist

Rookie
#240
Apr 10, 2012
KnightofPhoenix said:
Well anyone who thought the entire Reaper thing was going to end well were kidding themselves. You don't create an enemy that is impossible to beat conventionally and not have a deus ex machina.

They could have created a better machina, but it would still have been crap.
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True enough,DEM aside the Reapers were downright underwhelming in this. When they're not getting overshadowed by the retconned into a superpower Cerberus they act completely inept from only dispatching a single "destroyer" against Shepard and co at a time to not doing anything about the Citadel until tipped off by TIM to never doing anything about Sur'Kesh(meanwhile Cerberus raids it without issue lol).
 
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