Poor excuses and terrible arguments.

[gallantchar]

So, I’ve seen many arguments surrounding the release, defending CDPR’s actions. I’ll preface this by saying that while some arguments against CP2077 are arguably hyperbolic, such as “PS2 graphics”, but I digress.

I will go ahead and list the arguments I have seen surrounding 2077, and let me know what you think of these arguments.

> “They need to abandon 2077 and work on the sequel”

We’ll start with this one. This is an obnoxious argument—they release the game and leave it as where it is now, and expect us to buy a sequel? Who actually would buy it, if what we have now is what we got, point blank period? That action would absolutely DESTROY CDPR’s reputation. There’s no way they would do this, and suggesting they do this shows no understanding of how much this would blow up in their faces. There would likely be lawsuits, their stock would tank into nothing, and they would be the laughing stock of the industry.

> “It should have never released on last gen, it’s clearly a next gen game!”

Incorrect. The game was developed for last gen and PC in mind for the vast majority of it’s development. Next gen literally just happened and there is zero way they would have developed a game for YEARS for a system that wasn’t even out or thought of until recently. It isn’t even a next gen game, as many of our forum members can tell you, and break it down a hell of a lot better than I can.

> “The PS4/Xbox One couldn’t possibly run 2077! It’s garbage technology!”

I guess games like FF7R and GoT mean nothing to you. I find it interesting that we get really good games that absolutely blow away expectations and deliver truly astounding and revolutionary graphics, mechanics, concepts, etc and suddenly, come Dec 10, 2020, it’s basically a cardboard box with microwave specs and couldn’t even run SNES games if it tried.

I can think of more, but I’d like to hear if you have heard of other arguments that basically offers to give CDPR a free pass to just get away with releasing 2077 in the state it’s in and just make off with our trust and support all these years.

I’ll also include a poll so we can have an “official” census on what we think as a community.

 

[Guest 4406876]

If I was them, I'd milk every single second I could ,for years to come, out of this great asset they created (Night CIty), because it's truly remarkable.
That means fixing/adding/completing/releasing meaningful content that uses this asset.
Working on another title that doesn't use this city is no factor.
But that's just me.

 

[gallantchar]

If I was them, I'd milk every single second I could ,for years to come, out of this great asset they created (Night CIty), because it's truly remarkable.
That means fixing/adding/completing/releasing meaningful content that uses this asset.
Working on another title that doesn't use this city is no factor.
But that's just me.

I agree.

My point of view is this:

Spoiler: End Game Spoilers

First: finish the game. Make it as advertised. Maybe do some free DLC making the game a bit more robust. Take out the whole “V dies at the end” bit. Make the city a lot more believable. Once that’s done...

Second: Release “expansions” to the game. These must be the size of the base game, minus DLC. Of course, DLC with this expansion must also be free, but the expansion itself should cost either $30 or the price of a full game. It should still be jam-packed with things to warrant the price tag, since we’re still using the Night City assets.

Third: Continue working tirelessly to improve and expand the game as time goes on.

Abandoning and releasing a sequel will burn too many consumers, and will ruin your reputation within the community. I can’t believe people don’t see this.

 

[cypajek]

my v didnt die

 

[bureizu]

“They need to abandon 2077 and work on the sequel”

Would be an absolute public image brand suicide. I'm not sure why anyone would even consider this.

CDPRs brand is built upon customer friendliness and non greed.
Their actions in that would speak a lot louder than words: Principles don't matter, money does.

“It should have never released on last gen, it’s clearly a next gen game!”

You are correct but you aren't right here.
You are correct in that yes, it started development before the next/current gen consoles were even announced.
You aren't right as as last gen versions should never have been released in the state that they are. The game is entirely unacceptable on those platforms and it just comes off as "well most people play on last gen, so we'll make more money there. It doesn't function? Release it anyways." so they didn't stand by releasing the game when it's done.

Should have honestly just delayed the last gen ports at the very least.

> “The PS4/Xbox One couldn’t possibly run 2077! It’s garbage technology!”

Lots prettier games running on said consoles so yeah. No issue there. But developing a game for PS4, PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, Xbox One S, PS5, Xbox Series X, Xbox Series S and many, many configs of PC was probably not the best idea all at once and a herculean task at the best of times.

 

[feckyer1ife]

Abandoning and releasing a sequel will burn too many consumers, and will ruin your reputation within the community. I can’t believe people don’t see this.

CDPR can not do that, When your company only puts out 1 major title every 5 years, you can not afford to scrap it and start to develop the sequel, you have to fix what you have in front of you and hope it starts to resell. That is why Rockstar has their games probably 90% polished by the time they release it, they bank on that one game to make enough money so they can develop their next project (Obviously things have changed for them with the GTAO/RDRO). Point being CDPR needs to fix this game or go under that is about it. No such thing as a sequel. Its either 2077 or bust at this point.

 

[IskrasFemme]

My opinion is:

Those who thought they were going to sell consoles and pieces of hardware with the game, got frustrated ... so they scream, scream desperately in some pages of the press ...

... the fact, simple fact that they hate, is that the game is running well on computers of the current generation. In other words, it seems that some wanted the game not to be popular, or to be popular only for some 'lucky' ...

 

[Kourteous]

I prefer the 4th option:

4th: Play less video games, make some cardio, kiss someone and try to make sex everyday. In the mean time CDPR will continue working and improving the game.

 

[arnemaes]

No reason to abandon this project anyway, cyberpunk is a great game, i love the story and the characters, the main problem is last gen console performance, and 2nd problem is adding more features to this world. I am very optimistic about the future of this game, knowing witcher 3 wasn't that great at launch either.
And i am no expert about this, but there must be a reason why it doesn't work that well on last gen consoles, i don't believe they didn't try to make it run better. This game is really punishing for the hardware though. Could the last gen console's cpu be holding them back? Cause my ryzen 7 3700x is pretty much at 70-80% all the time. Which is obviously a lot better cpu than in last gen consoles.

 

[GrimReaper801]

The "it's last-gen's fault" argument is so flawed it hurts to even think about it.

There is currently is no truly next-gen game. All of their development cycles have begun on last-gen and been adapted to make use of next-gen capabilities.

Prettier games exists on last-gen. Games with more advanced systems exist on last-gen. Games with both prettier graphics and more advanced systems exists on last-gen. Note that when I say prettier, I mean prettier than what last-gen currently has.

Not to mention - CDPR themselves said it ran surprisingly well on last-gen.

Abandoning the game and moving is just corporate suicide. As feckyerlife as pointed out, their game output wouldn't allow them to do that. Actually, it would, but if the next game doesn't do extremely well, it's over.

The only viable option is to work on CP2077 and make it the best game is can be.

 

[IskrasFemme]

No reason to abandon this project anyway, cyberpunk is a great game, i love the story and the characters, the main problem is last gen console performance, and 2nd problem is adding more features to this world. I am very optimistic about the future of this game, knowing witcher 3 wasn't that great at launch either.
And i am no expert about this, but there must be a reason why it doesn't work that well on last gen consoles, i don't believe they didn't try to make it run better. This game is really punishing for the hardware though. Could the last gen console's cpu be holding them back? Cause my ryzen 7 3700x is pretty much at 70-80% all the time. Which is obviously a lot better cpu than in last gen consoles.

I load all content here pretty well, all setup in HIGHT, 99,9% of the time...with a i5, GTX 970...

 

[gallantchar]

Would be an absolute public image brand suicide. I'm not sure why anyone would even consider this.

CDPRs brand is built upon customer friendliness and non greed.
Their actions in that would speak a lot louder than words: Principles don't matter, money does.


You are correct but you aren't right here.
You are correct in that yes, it started development before the next/current gen consoles were even announced.
You aren't right as as last gen versions should never have been released in the state that they are. The game is entirely unacceptable on those platforms and it just comes off as "well most people play on last gen, so we'll make more money there. It doesn't function? Release it anyways." so they didn't stand by releasing the game when it's done.

Should have honestly just delayed the last gen ports at the very least.


Lots prettier games running on said consoles so yeah. No issue there. But developing a game for PS4, PS4 Pro, Xbox One X, Xbox One S, PS5, Xbox Series X, Xbox Series S and many, many configs of PC was probably not the best idea all at once and a herculean task at the best of times.

To address the last gen release point:

The argument is that they shouldn’t have released it at all, only releasing on next gen and PC. I agree, it shouldn’t have been released in the state that it’s in, but there’s the qualifying statement that changes the argument from absurd to understandable.

Onto the multiple releases—yes, it was a huge task. Honestly, they got a bit too big for their breeches there, and should have delayed again, but here we are, and right now we need to look forward and salvage this as much as possible.

But you’re not incorrect.

Who ever is making that argument is too stupid. CDPR can not do that, When your company only puts out 1 major title every 5 years, you can not afford to scrap it and start to develop the sequel, you have to fix what you have in front of you and hope it starts to resell. That is why Rockstar has their games probably 90% polished by the time they release it, they bank on that one game to make enough money so they can develop their next project (Obviously things have changed for them with the GTAO/RDRO). Point being CDPR needs to fix this game or go under that is about it. No such thing as a sequel. Its either 2077 or bust at this point.

That’s my thoughts, as well. Some people are saying “story can’t be patched” and that’s incorrect. BG3 does it, and all you have to do is restart—but that’s not any point of debate for their community, as they know the game is being worked on constantly. No reason CDPR can’t do this, too.

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The "it's last-gen's fault" argument is so flawed it hurts to even think about it.

There is currently is no truly next-gen game. All of their development cycles have begun on last-gen and been adapted to make use of next-gen capabilities.

Prettier games exists on last-gen. Games with more advanced systems exist on last-gen. Games with both prettier graphics and more advanced systems exists on last-gen. Note that when I say prettier, I mean prettier than what last-gen currently has.

Not to mention - CDPR themselves said it ran surprisingly well on last-gen.

Abandoning the game and moving is just corporate suicide. As feckyerlife as pointed out, their game output wouldn't allow them to do that. Actually, it would, but if the next game doesn't do extremely well, it's over.

The only viable option is to work on CP2077 and make it the best game is can be.

Agreed. However, people still make the argument and clearly don’t understand how it will kill CDPR.

I load all content here pretty well, all setup in HIGHT, 99,9% of the time...with a i5, GTX 970...

Just because you don’t have issues doesn’t make up for the fact that many others do.

Again, the car example. Just because your car didn’t blow its transmission ten miles into the drive from the lot doesn’t mean that the other people who were sold lemons shouldn’t be irritated.

 

[bureizu]

This game is really punishing for the hardware though

Funnily enough it runs perfectly well on my i7 7700k and gtx 1060, least at 60fps all maxed out settings. I think they just didn't optimize for AMD hardware or something.

 

[gallantchar]

Funnily enough it runs perfectly well on my i7 7700k and gtx 1060, least at 60fps all maxed out settings. I think they just didn't optimize for AMD hardware or something.

> Didn’t optimise

There’s the problem. It needed more time for optimisation and bugfixing, that’s all.

And they needed more time to get all of the cut content in—but let’s be real, it’s just an issue of it needing to be delayed another few months. We’d have accepted that. But now they need to work on getting everything in and polished.

 

[arnemaes]

Funnily enough it runs perfectly well on my i7 7700k and gtx 1060, least at 60fps all maxed out settings. I think they just didn't optimize for AMD hardware or something.

gtx 1060 all ultra settings? Without raytracing and on 1080p i assume?

 

[IskrasFemme]

To address the last gen release point:

The argument is that they shouldn’t have released it at all, only releasing on next gen and PC. I agree, it shouldn’t have been released in the state that it’s in, but there’s the qualifying statement that changes the argument from absurd to understandable.

Onto the multiple releases—yes, it was a huge task. Honestly, they got a bit too big for their breeches there, and should have delayed again, but here we are, and right now we need to look forward and salvage this as much as possible.

But you’re not incorrect.



That’s my thoughts, as well. Some people are saying “story can’t be patched” and that’s incorrect. BG3 does it, and all you have to do is restart—but that’s not any point of debate for their community, as they know the game is being worked on constantly. No reason CDPR can’t do this, too.

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Agreed. However, people still make the argument and clearly don’t understand how it will kill CDPR.



Just because you don’t have issues doesn’t make up for the fact that many others do.

Again, the car example. Just because your car didn’t blow its transmission ten miles into the drive from the lot doesn’t mean that the other people who were sold lemons shouldn’t be irritated.

The CD would be very naive if it only thought of a 'MINORITY' that today has 'hight-end' PCs or Consoles ... even those consoles are not polished, yet ... the vast majority of people in the vast majority of countries do not even have the i7 yet ... nor RTX 3K + - imagine using a game as an excuse to sell hardware, this is unreal and the CD would not enter this Titanic ... because it would inevitably sink ... sell the game to very few, some privileged ones .. .

The CD did very well to prioritize the current consoles ...

 

[feckyer1ife]

That’s my thoughts, as well. Some people are saying “story can’t be patched” and that’s incorrect. BG3 does it, and all you have to do is restart—but that’s not any point of debate for their community, as they know the game is being worked on constantly. No reason CDPR can’t do this, too.

I know the ending they probably don't want to touch it, they obviously have some sort of plan for it anyways with all the open endings from some of the side quests and Vs mansion gives that away. But to give some length and role playing to the story, All they gotta do is edit one line where Vik says "you got a couple weeks left to live" change that to months or a year and take out any references to the couple weeks. That would be perfect for this game. I think the issue right now is, you got this linear story trapped in this open world rpg with the story being very short and very urgent. If they remove some of the urgency then the story is perfect imo.

 

[gallantchar]

The CD would be very naive if it only thought of a 'MINORITY' that today has 'hight-end' PCs or Consoles ... even those consoles are not polished, yet ... the vast majority of people in the vast majority of countries do not even have the i7 yet ... nor RTX 3K + - imagine using a game as an excuse to sell hardware, this is unreal and the CD would not enter this Titanic ... because it would inevitably sink ... sell the game to very few, some privileged ones .. .

The CD did very well to prioritize the current consoles ...

Precisely. I believe it’s mostly elitists making that point, and it basically amounts to the “Why don’t homeless people just—ugh—buy a house?!” Argument.

 

[IskrasFemme]

gtx 1060 all ultra settings? Without raytracing and on 1080p i assume?

A simple reshade works better and is infinitely more efficient than any raytracing technologies we have today. I'm sorry for the people who were tricked by nvidia ... and here i play in 1080p... all set to 'hight'.

 

[arnemaes]

The only reason this released on last gen consoles is because money. This game's creation cycle maybe started thinking about ps4 but let me assure you it didn't finish thingking about last gen consoles. And me personally i don't mind, since it means i can play an incredible game in terms of graphics and design on my pc, but yeah it sucks for last gen console users. I am kinda afraid of the next gen patch on current consoles. It could be limited to 30 fps.