Poor excuses and terrible arguments.

[gallantchar]

I know the ending they probably don't want to touch it, they obviously have some sort of plan for it anyways with all the open endings from some of the side quests and Vs mansion gives that away. But to give some length and role playing to the story, All they gotta do is edit one line where Vik says "you got a couple weeks left to live" change that to months or a year and take out any references to the couple weeks. That would be perfect for this game. I think the issue right now is, you got this linear story trapped in this open world rpg with the story being very short and very urgent. If they remove some of the urgency then the story is perfect imo.

I’d argue removing the urgency (I mean, not entirely, story would fall flat if it was just like “worlds ending, but yeah, take your time” the entire game, you know? I’d just say scrap the “V dies” part, or leave it as a cliffhanger so it’s suggested he dies, but not clear—so it can be answered in DLC as how he survives.

 

[IskrasFemme]

Precisely. I believe it’s mostly elitists making that point, and it basically amounts to the “Why don’t homeless people just—ugh—buy a house?!” Argument.

If the idea is to sell to a few ... use whatever argument you want ... it will sell to a few. If the idea is to sell 12 million units - a concrete act, that happened, do what the CD did.

 

[bureizu]

That’s my thoughts, as well. Some people are saying “story can’t be patched” and that’s incorrect.

Anything can be patched.

They could rework the entire game with patches if need be. And they probably can. Honestly the story is fine, theres just a missing lifepath thing and branching bits that they spoke of. All of it probably cut for time. Their trailers, the way they spoke about it in interviews, twitter and facebook, all points to a much bigger game that was but hacked off to meet a deadline. I am hoping that all of that will be readded.

If not for the users then for the devs. They all seemed super proud of what they had accomplished and spent many years on it to see it all released in the worst state possible. Police system? Gone. Chase AI is in if you manage to force the one manned police car to agro, allbeit gimped. Replaced with a last minute fix of spawn behind player.

I feel heartbroken for the devs. Really. But for now they should get their rest, CDPR bled talent after W3 and will no doubt bleed talent after CP2077. So they should get their rest and return to the game fresh and ready to make what they wanted. Because it's such a clear passion project that I do want to see it be what they wanted.

But it didn't come to be. Probably because they had to spend so much effort with trying to optimize, certify and test the damn thing on 8 consoles plus a ton of PC configs. With covid slowing things down I'm not surprised at all they ran out of time. But that's clearly a management issue.

I’d just say scrap the “V dies”

V doesn't die in all endings. In many he has a lot of time left. V accomplishes the impossible in weeks within in game time if you're really fast. Now imagine what V can do in 6-8 months with all the connections, fame, skill and resources V has at the end? Especially so if you get the secret ending. I'm not sure why people see it as a bad end.

I guess people don't want to keep fighting, but believe V gives up and dies? Or doesn't succeed? Doesn't feel it from most the endings.

 

[gallantchar]

Anything can be patched.

They could rework the entire game with patches if need be. And they probably can. Honestly the story is fine, theres just a missing lifepath thing and branching bits that they spoke of. All of it probably cut for time. Their trailers, the way they spoke about it in interviews, twitter and facebook, all points to a much bigger game that was but hacked off to meet a deadline. I am hoping that all of that will be readded.

If not for the users then for the devs. They all seemed super proud of what they had accomplished and spent many years on it to see it all released in the worst state possible. Police system? Gone. Chase AI is in if you manage to force the one manned police car to agro, allbeit gimped. Replaced with a last minute fix of spawn behind player.

I feel heartbroken for the devs. Really. But for now they should get their rest, CDPR bled talent after W3 and will no doubt bleed talent after CP2077. So they should get their rest and return to the game fresh and ready to make what they wanted. Because it's such a clear passion project that I do want to see it be what they wanted.

But it didn't come to be. Probably because they had to spend so much effort with trying to optimize, certify and test the damn thing on 8 consoles plus a ton of PC configs. With covid slowing things down I'm not surprised at all they ran out of time. But that's clearly a management issue.

Yeah, I feel bad for the devs, too. I’m sure we’ve said it enough that they know we don’t hate them for the game, and yes. After a little break, they should get back on it with a fresh start and work on getting all that content they worked hard on back into the game.

 

[GrimReaper801]

Yeah, I feel bad for the devs, too. I’m sure we’ve said it enough that they know we don’t hate them for the game, and yes. After a little break, they should get back on it with a fresh start and work on getting all that content they worked hard on back into the game.

Remember that this forum is generally very civil.

Keep in mind the devs were getting death threats when they pushed back the game.... Just imagine the kind of shit they're getting thrown at them right now.

 

[gallantchar]

Remember that this forum is generally very civil.

Keep in mind the devs were getting death threats when they pushed back the game.... Just imagine the kind of shit they're getting thrown at them right now.

That’s fair. And like I said, I feel really bad for them about that. They’re not to blame. The company itself getting a lot of heat? That’s valid. Any kind of death threats or heat on the devs—aforementioned threats in general—unacceptable.

 

[IskrasFemme]

Remember that this forum is generally very civil.

Keep in mind the devs were getting death threats when they pushed back the game.... Just imagine the kind of shit they're getting thrown at them right now.

And that fact, in addition to the billions of topics on the same thing in the forum are making me feel really bad ...

 

[bureizu]

gtx 1060 all ultra settings? Without raytracing and on 1080p i assume?

RTX cards have ray tracing, GTX don't. So yeah 60fps 1080p all maxed out. Besides awful stuff like bloom, chromatic aberration etc. That stuff just makes the game look worse. Stable 60fps and never dips below.

Keep in mind the devs were getting death threats when they pushed back the game.... Just imagine the kind of shit they're getting thrown at them right now.

No Mans Sky devs had this same issue to the point that Scotland Yard was involved.

Heck in their case the game turned out the way it did because it was a passion project they wanted to see done but got locked into a release date with Sony and couldn't pull out. They barely got the date pushed back but they knew it wasn't nearly enough time. So they had to cut every single feature to meet release date and what they had out was a buggy, non functional mess missing most of what they wanted.

It's also why they kept working on it, and still do, to the point that the game is now even more than what was promised.

Which is shockingly similar to CP2077.

 

[kofeiiniturpa]

A couple years back I suggested that they create a full trilogy of games inside the first they create, so that in case for sequels they'd already have a basic infrastructure in place to create content and additions in. The city they have, doesn't need to be rebuilt. Just fixed and filled. And graphics certainly don't need to get better.

Eeach new campaign startable from the first menu, each adding its own set of new character lifepaths and storylines (possibly even slight interconnections between the campaigns), and also general additions like skills, perks, interactivity, sidemissions, etc, that every campaign can utilize, and each improving the city in it's own way.

So that in the end they'd have one game with three campaigns. And if it's all successful, why not add a sort "freeplay" mode where there is no set storyline (perhaps just one that sets you out to make your fortune which you can end in various ways as you please with narrative slides according to what you've accomplished and how, and how things went on after that -- or simply keep playing if you wish), but simply a huge city full of different things to do, different characterbuilds to build, interactions to have and sights to see.

 

[gregski]

Keep in mind the devs were getting death threats when they pushed back the game.... Just imagine the kind of shit they're getting thrown at them right now.

So, yeah, if you have anything positive to write about the game - make sure you do, devs will definitely appreciate it. A small spark of light among the swamp that's being just dropped casually on their heads.

 

[gallantchar]

So, yeah, if you have anything positive to write about the game - make sure you do, devs will definitely appreciate it. A small spark of light among the swamp that's being just dropped casually on their heads.

I’ll actually be writing a full review of the game, which will include positives and negatives. I’ll be just as emphatic about the positives as the negatives—I’d expect it maybe sometime in January? I want to be sure I do absolutely everything I can in the game, that way it’s as complete as possible.

 

[gregski]

I’ll actually be writing a full review of the game, which will include positives and negatives. I’ll be just as emphatic about the positives as the negatives—I’d expect it maybe sometime in January? I want to be sure I do absolutely everything I can in the game, that way it’s as complete as possible.

Cool!

Wish I could do that, but most probably I won't get to finish the game any time soon.

Anyway, back on topic.

 

[IskrasFemme]

I’ll actually be writing a full review of the game, which will include positives and negatives. I’ll be just as emphatic about the positives as the negatives—I’d expect it maybe sometime in January? I want to be sure I do absolutely everything I can in the game, that way it’s as complete as possible.

Everyone are waiting the patchs. Everyone... we are in midle of December, we cant do nothing about. Dev a game, in this dates is complicate, Hollydays... and we have a Pandemic yet... so, patience!

 

[ToyboxK]

The biggest and poorest excuse is trying to make the game the same on every platform.

You can see this by going into the Memory Pool Budgets file. On PC they specifically limited the CPU to only being able to use 1.5 gigs of available RAM and the GPU to 3 gigs of available RAM, because that's what these consoles use.

The reason the game runs like crap on most machines regardless of specs is specifically because they have a file that LITERALLY throttles the game to run like it's on a console, even if you have the best PC available on the market today. Luckily you can change the values here to actually match the specs of your machine, but the fact that they did this intentionally shows that they care more about actually making all the versions of the game 'the same' than giving players what they asked for.

 

[gallantchar]

Cool!

Wish I could do that, but most probably I won't get to finish the game any time soon.

Anyway, back on topic.

Exactly. What are your thoughts on the arguments provided in the topic?

Do you think CDPR will put priority in fixing the game, and turning it into the game proposed at E3?

Do you think they should move on? What’s your take on this?

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The biggest and poorest excuse is trying to make the game the same on every platform.

You can see this by going into the Memory Pool Budgets file. On PC they specifically limited the CPU to only being able to use 1.5 gigs of available RAM and the GPU to 3 gigs of available RAM, because that's what these consoles use.

The reason the game runs like crap on most machines regardless of specs is specifically because they have a file that LITERALLY throttles the game to run like it's on a console, even if you have the best PC available on the market today. Luckily you can change the values here to actually match the specs of your machine, but the fact that they did this intentionally shows that they care more about actually making all the versions of the game 'the same' than giving players what they asked for.

This, I believe, can be fixed by optimisation. Additional polish and what have you would definitely make it shine, no matter what system it’s on.

 

[GrimReaper801]

Exactly. What are your thoughts on the arguments provided in the topic?

Do you think CDPR will put priority in fixing the game, and turning it into the game proposed at E3?

Do you think they should move on? What’s your take on this?

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This, I believe, can be fixed by optimisation. Additional polish and what have you would definitely make it shine, no matter what system it’s on.

I don't think a mod wants to chip in on that lol.

Wouldn't blame him.

 

[IskrasFemme]

The biggest and poorest excuse is trying to make the game the same on every platform.

You can see this by going into the Memory Pool Budgets file. On PC they specifically limited the CPU to only being able to use 1.5 gigs of available RAM and the GPU to 3 gigs of available RAM, because that's what these consoles use.

The reason the game runs like crap on most machines regardless of specs is specifically because they have a file that LITERALLY throttles the game to run like it's on a console, even if you have the best PC available on the market today. Luckily you can change the values here to actually match the specs of your machine, but the fact that they did this intentionally shows that they care more about actually making all the versions of the game 'the same' than giving players what they asked for.

I try to understand what is special about my poor i5, here the game runs very well, all options are in 'hight' and I have no drop in frames, nothing like that. And I still play with google open.

 

[gallantchar]

I don't think a mod wants to chip in on that lol.

Wouldn't blame him.

Hey, can’t hurt to try lol

 

[REG2012]

Of course it's PS2 graphics when you run it on a potato lol.

So many people with a 1000 series card expecting it to look like it does on a 3000 series card.
I don't think they understand what minimum requirements means...

 

[gallantchar]

I try to understand what is special about my poor i5, here the game runs very well, all options are in 'hight' and I have no drop in frames, nothing like that. And I still play with google open.

And that’s fine—I’m glad you have no issues. I just wish that was the same for everyone, you know?

But that is most likely the only thing to change, unless they actually say they’ll patch in content and features.