Pride Month charity stream is coming!

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Simply read that, maybe that could provide you some answers.
Okay, it's in Polish, but it's possible to get by ;)
Well, I don't want to be crude or sound impolite, but it's the job of someone who asks me for money to explain where they are going to go. At this point in life I have seen too many NGOs take advantage of people's good wishes.

I don't need an audit, but at least an explanation of what they do with the money.
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Just to let you know that even in the western countries, the people from the LGBTQ+ community are still being persecuted. It's true that there is a rainbow washing phenomenon in many industries, in which they try to capitalized the suffering of the LGBTQ+ community.

That being said, everyday you can hear and see people from the LGBTQ+ community getting beated up, raped, killed or abused. It even goes to the point of not having the same financial opportunities as the heterosexual people. Sometimes, they are even rejected from their own families or churches for simply being who they are. So yes, the LGBTQ+ community is still persecuted in the western countries.
In Spain (my country) homosexuals can marry, adopt children, kiss in the street without problems ... And that's fine with me. I dont complain.

I know the world I live in, there will always be [...] the typical neo-Nazis. But I don't understand how my money is going to change that or improve anyone's situation.

I just want to know how my money going to improve the situation.


ps: I'm not trying to be the repellent smartass. They will benefit from talking about their activities and will encourage people to support them.
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Sorry for the rude language, I'm not doing it on purpose. Spanish has a very wide range of rude words that are actually in everyday use, and right now I am using a text translator. So without realizing it I have put words that I should not in a forum :/
 
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In Spain (my country) homosexuals can marry, adopt children, kiss in the street without problems ... And that's fine with me. I dont complain.

I know the world I live in, there will always be [...] the typical neo-Nazis. But I don't understand how my money is going to change that or improve anyone's situation.

I just want to know how my money going to improve the situation.
Then be thankfull for living in a country that actually respect it's citizens. In Poland we can't marry or register any other form of civil relationship, which basically means that we can live together for years and our country still treats us as if we are strangers to each other, which means no inheritence, no right to burial of a close one (family have the priority and have to resign it's right for life partner to even be able to volunteer to take burial responsibilities on themselves). We can't adopt children, even a biological children of partner, which basically means that if partner, who is a biological parent of a child dies, then even though we have acted as a second parent for said child for years, the authorities are treathing us as strangers and the child goes to the closest relative (e.g. grandparents) or to the orphanage. Even simple holding partner's hand on the street ends in best case with slurs, in worst - heavy beating (which can result even with death).

Normally Kampania Przeciw Homofobii (Campaign Against Homophobia) would fight for equal rights for LGBT+ community and against prejudice, aggresion, etc., but recent years made it much worse in Poland as we are slowly getting closer to Russian gay propaganda laws (similar laws were recently introduced in Hungary), with some local govements calling themselves a "LGBT free zones" or "LGBT ideology free zones", some groups associeted to or actively supported by govement officials wanting to ban LGBT+ community protests altogether and LGBT+ activists being harrased by religious sect Ordo Iuris with numerous lawsuit for supposed "offending religious feelings", so there is a lot more that LGBT+ organizations needs to deal with right now.

So if you want to know if your money will improve the situation I honestly can't say for sure, as how much money LGBT+ organizations in Poland actually needs to succesfully fight against all what I described probably heavily exceeds any amount that this kind of charity stream can rise. Still, I believe that any help can and will improve the situation, although probably no as fast as it's actuall needed.
 

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Good thing CDPR takes part in the pride movement with that much experience on that front. May you gather much money once more.
 
Then be thankfull for living in a country that actually respect it's citizens. In Poland we can't marry or register any other form of civil relationship, which basically means that we can live together for years and our country still treats us as if we are strangers to each other, which means no inheritence, no right to burial of a close one (family have the priority and have to resign it's right for life partner to even be able to volunteer to take burial responsibilities on themselves). We can't adopt children, even a biological children of partner, which basically means that if partner, who is a biological parent of a child dies, then even though we have acted as a second parent for said child for years, the authorities are treathing us as strangers and the child goes to the closest relative (e.g. grandparents) or to the orphanage. Even simple holding partner's hand on the street ends in best case with slurs, in worst - heavy beating (which can result even with death).

Normally Kampania Przeciw Homofobii (Campaign Against Homophobia) would fight for equal rights for LGBT+ community and against prejudice, aggresion, etc., but recent years made it much worse in Poland as we are slowly getting closer to Russian gay propaganda laws (similar laws were recently introduced in Hungary), with some local govements calling themselves a "LGBT free zones" or "LGBT ideology free zones", some groups associeted to or actively supported by govement officials wanting to ban LGBT+ community protests altogether and LGBT+ activists being harrased by religious sect Ordo Iuris with numerous lawsuit for supposed "offending religious feelings", so there is a lot more that LGBT+ organizations needs to deal with right now.

So if you want to know if your money will improve the situation I honestly can't say for sure, as how much money LGBT+ organizations in Poland actually needs to succesfully fight against all what I described probably heavily exceeds any amount that this kind of charity stream can rise. Still, I believe that any help can and will improve the situation, although probably no as fast as it's actuall needed.
wow, I had heard that Poland was becoming an increasingly conservative place, but I did not know that things were so bad.

I am 100% heterosexual, but I also believe 100% in the freedom to be as you want and in "live and let live".

I'm going to make a confession ... It wasn't always like this. I have never felt hatred towards homosexuals, but I am 40 years old and when I was a child there was always the "insert insult to say that someone is gay" that almost everyone made fun of and bullied and I participated in it sometimes.

I did not hate homosexuals (at that time it would not have seemed good to be beaten and things like that for example), but I did not understand it, it seemed weird to me and it disgusted me. Except of course, thinking of two women ... I'm not trying to be funny, I honestly explain what my way of thinking was.

What changed that mentality? SEE homosexuals, talk to homosexuals, discover that they are not weirdos but normal people.

That is IMPOSSIBLE without homosexuality being visible. That is why I laugh at what you say about "lgbt free zone", precisely that is the last thing to do.

I had a friend at school that I played soccer with who told me she was a lesbian. Looking back, it's funny that I didn't realize it before, because she fulfilled all the cliches. That also helped me somewhat to change my perception.

I admire the balls of homosexuals who go out to be homosexual in places where it is dangerous to do so, or in places where they risk social ostracism (and this can hurt as much or more than a beating ...). Because I also believe that it is the only way for homosexuality to be normalized. The only way to normalize something ... is to make it normal (surprise). That is why I have admiration for those who decide to be who they are in places where it is dangerous.

If I saw that boy at school that I spoke of at the beginning, I would like to apologize, since I am sure that he has suffered psychological trauma ...

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I disagree with holding a stream for this particular political cause.
I believe it is unethical to discriminate against customers on the basis of their political opinions and also bad business. What kind of a business would tell socialists or liberals to not buy their products?

People should feel welcomed to be Gwent players regardless of how they feel about this particular issue.
 
Its a social cause, not political.

At which point CDP discriminates customers for their political opinions?
The Pride campaign aims to legalize gay marriage and change a whole bunch of policies regarding sexual minorities. The right for gay couples to adopt, gender transitioning, the list goes on...
The Polish parliament decides about those. I think we can agree those are political proposals regardless of where you stand on the issue.

About the discrimination: I can't elaborate because of the rules of the forum.
 
The Pride campaign aims to legalize gay marriage and change a whole bunch of policies regarding sexual minorities. The right for gay couples to adopt, gender transitioning, the list goes on...
The Polish parliament decides about those. I think we can agree those are political proposals regardless of where you stand on the issue.
No, we can't. Actually it's exactly the other way around - it's the refusal to treat LGBT+ people right to marriage as a basic right, simillar to how the heterosexual marriages are treated (which basically means an inequal treatment, which stands opposed to Polish Constitution), is a political stance, while treating it as a human right is simply a matter of decency. The fact that it's the Polish Parliment that needs to decide about is a results of our democratic system - basically any law had to be decided by parliment, but this does not mean that, for example, the prohibition of killing is a political matter.

It's the same as with racial segregation in the USA - not acknowledging people of other skin color as equal to those with white skin was an political stance, while the postulate of equal treatment regardless of skin color is simply a human right.
 
No, we can't. Actually it's exactly the other way around - it's the refusal to treat LGBT+ people right to marriage as a basic right, simillar to how the heterosexual marriages are treated (which basically means an inequal treatment, which stands opposed to Polish Constitution), is a political stance, while treating it as a human right is simply a matter of decency. The fact that it's the Polish Parliment that needs to decide about is a results of our democratic system - basically any law had to be decided by parliment, but this does not mean that, for example, the prohibition of killing is a political matter.

It's the same as with racial segregation in the USA - not acknowledging people of other skin color as equal to those with white skin was an political stance, while the postulate of equal treatment regardless of skin color is simply a human right.
That is merely your opinion, not a fact. President Duda or The Polish Supreme Court are certainly not of the opinion that gay marriage is required by the constitution.

Gay marriage doesn't compare to prohibition of killing. The latter is found in nearly all societies across all times. Marriage in most societies across history anthropologically speaking has been defined as a lifelong union between a man and a woman.

The origin of human rights (God?) is a long discussion. The 1947 UN Declaration of Human Rights or latter authoritative international treaties don't speak of gay marriage. Prohibiting people of different races marrying each other would be against the Declaration of Human Rights, so comparison to racial segregation is incorrect.

A supporter of nearly any political cause in the world can appeal to a mushy concept of "human decency".
 
I was about too make a long post but i thought better. Debating marriage and god on the internets isent really productive and probably not TOS so. Was kinda wondering why too at first but appearantly i live in a country thats pretty onboard with pride and so on so. Sometimes we forget that not every country/culture/so on is the same. Anyways good luck too the CDPR ppl streaming. Might check in later!
 
Just the fact that it is debatable, I find that weird :(
Anyway, If you don't want to contribute then don't contribute. As simple as that ;)
Put yourself in my shoes. How would you feel if you spent 500 EUR on CDPR products, and CDPR then uses its platform to raise money for projects against LGBT causes? Disappointed? Angry?
All I ask is to respect paying customers equally.
 
Put yourself in my shoes. How would you feel if you spent 500 EUR on CDPR products, and CDPR then uses its platform to raise money for projects against LGBT causes? Disappointed? Angry?
All I ask is to respect paying customers equally.
Honestly I don't know what you mean... what it has to do with being a CDPR customers or not (even less with "respect"), since it's for a charity... and that you give if you want to give... There is something that escapes me and frankly, I do not want to spent my time to explain something that seems obvious to me :)
 
Honestly I don't know what you mean... what it has to do with being a CDPR customers or not (even less with "respect"), since it's for a charity... and that you give if you want to give... There is something that escapes me and frankly, I do not want to spent my time to explain something that seems obvious to me :)
There are registered Polish charitable organisations which lobby on the exact opposite side of LGBT issues.
Would it be okay if CDPR raised money to those conservative organisations since everyone can decide himself whether to donate?
 
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