Proof that the 6 month montage with Jackie was definitely cut content

[Dagobert666]

Let's summarize:

- The police system must be a placeholder. There has to be nobody there
can firmly believe that it is sufficient.

- Civil AI can't even drive past your car if you do
Parking at the roadside.

- The balance of the game has never been fully tested. At the
At the beginning all / many opponents are absolute "bullet sponges" and if so
if you are level 50 then EVERYTHING is "ONE HIT".

- Many PERKS just don't work.

- There is cyberware that does not work

- Clothing Mods ..... half of it doesn't work.

- There are perks that just have to be a joke. Comando
(Cool / Perk) !!!! ??? Really ???? The only thing that would top it
(Would be more pointless) Would be a perk that will make your penis glow blue ;-)

- Half of all blueprints are missing. Why is there one, for example
Legendary UNITY blueprint
but none for JKE-X2 Kenshin ???
how so are so many missing ???

- The storage in V's Apatment makes mods and attachments to weapons
sometimes broken, that are stored there. Maybe even the weapons stats ??? I haven't tested it yet.


The list could go on and on and on ...


CDPR You really have a LOT of work to do.
You'd better deliver now.
You were the white knights of the gaming industry (the chosen ones ^^). But you're slowly getting the reputation of being no better than "Bugthesda" ...

 

[sommojames]

lets keep em coming. CDPR community managers i hope you're noticing that WE are picking this stuff up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkgame/comments/kdvp10

Maybe they removed this section bacause it was not fun too play. Maybe it was too scripted and ruined the pacing of the game, increasing the time required to get to the open world and side quests.

I do not think they would remove a section of the game already made just to piss us off

 

[EMT-Fields]

I disagree, Johnny made the game and I accept they cut everything around this when they nailed the writing. It's common, Larian talks about finishing the story the last month before the release, Bethesda too. It's just that it comes iteratively and hell the game will stay forever for having had so much Keanu in it, let alone be so canon with the Silverhand angle.

It's a good game, a good story, done in double the time Bethesda spend with experience on a Fallout, with much more feature but a lot less polish. They'll polish it, save it somewhat and we'll decide if we want to play their multiplayer lifeline, the main thing they focus on strategically now: they want to get the easy regular stable revenue a micro transaction multiplayer brings but for that they need to make CP complete. They have no choice.

Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, But It was meh... to me. Johnny ruined it for me personally. A lot of the story was just learning about him, how he died, what he's done to Arasaka, and how he hates the corps. I didn't care for none of it, or his narcissistic Demeanor. Because they went this route, it would have made more sense for him to be the main character, because V was just pushed to the side. IMO Jackie was just a much more likable dude. No offence to Keanu, but never did enjoy him as an actor, and was never excited about him being in the game. He's a nice guy though, so I have no hate for him.

 

[Mobster100]

I think you can still walk away. If I recall correctly you strip the malware off the chip before giving it to Royce and then just pay the 50K and leave. Or you can jut pay with your own money. See around 11:00 here -

I think you can do that, but you can't completely avoid this, you still have to go through the Maelstroms. And it's very clear that Mike Pondsmith also believes this, not pointing fingers at him at all, because he clearly state at the end that he have not played the demo. But during the interview he gives an example of someone saying to a friend "You never met Royce in your playthrough?". So one can only assume that CDPR allowing him to speak on the behalf of CP77 "the computer game" and what is possible and not possible here, have instructed him in regards to features to be found in this case.
Exactly to avoid him saying stuff or sharing features that is not true, because let's be honest, this might sound like a minor detail, but for people that puts "choice matters" above anything else in RPGs, this is what gets our attention. So when you as a player watches this, you really get the impression that most of this mission is optional, and should you choose to simply steal the militech money and never meet Royce, the game can handle it, even Joe reacts with excitement, clearly understanding it as this truly giving you a lot of options in regards to story.

And let's be honest, had they shown almost any other mission, except the voodoo one, which was the second one they showed off when talking about the story, with the same information about how complexed the storylines in CP was, it would be very difficult for them to make this work, because CP is very linear, even in these missions as they all lead to the same conclusion. However this mission is very good and you can solve it in many different ways, but it does not represent the average mission or gameplay in regards to "choice matters" in this game by any stretch.

They also make references to how awesome it is in the TW3 that people discover hidden things and options so many years after release, as if that is what to expect in CP as well. Either these people (mostly the CDPR guy) oversold it or this was the intention at the time that CP should be like TW3 but more complexed as I see it. Because I doubt, anyone will discover a secret mission or outcome to one of them years from now, unless CDPR adds a lot of story and mission content.

 

[gorkastro]

CDPR needs to be very clear with users. Clarify if they are simply going to fix the game or if they are going to introduce or not everything they promised and now is missing.
They need to share their roadmap with us, otherwise no one will ever trust them again. They should know

 

[enrique_alo]

Well I'm glad you enjoyed it, But It was meh... to me. Johnny ruined it for me personally. A lot of the story was just learning about him, how he died, what he's done to Arasaka, and how he hates the corps. I didn't care for none of it, or his narcissistic Demeanor. Because they went this route, it would have made more sense for him to be the main character, because V was just pushed to the side. IMO Jackie was just a much more likable dude. No offence to Keanu, but never did enjoy him as an actor, and was never excited about him being in the game. He's a nice guy though, so I have no hate for him.

Hmm I have to agree. I do not fell that this is really my story - (V) story - i feel more like a (V)ehicle for Silverhand so his story can be told. Not the way i like to play.

 

[Kieran_Grosvenor]

Well yeah scenes get cut from movies too but you don't cry about that lol, get over it the game still take about 75 - 100 hours so if you competed it, move on and comeback when they have improved the game.

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Hmm I have to agree. I do not fell that this is really my story - (V) story - i feel more like a (V)ehicle for Silverhand so his story can be told. Not the way i like to play.

What about Rdr2 Arthur is the vehicle until his illness gets him? I personally liked the story tbh it's one of the best parts of the game

 

[enrique_alo]

What about Rdr2 Arthur is the vehicle until his illness gets him? I personally liked the story tbh it's one of the best parts of the game

I never finished RDR2 so...

 

[PrincessAmanda]

Sorry for off topic but RDR2 is preety polarizing game. Many gamers loved it, but even more hated it or didn't cared about it at all. Personaly I can't stand Wild West theme, it's so stiff, boring and uninteresting. Also very specific to get into it.

There is good reason why only few Wild West themed games were made in the past 20 years.

 

[Rawls]

Maybe they removed this section bacause it was not fun too play. Maybe it was too scripted and ruined the pacing of the game, increasing the time required to get to the open world and side quests.

I do not think they would remove a section of the game already made just to piss us off

They didn't remove it. The section after the montage was said to be the very start of the game and first major combat encounter as far back as 2018.

 

[Techno_Core]

Sigh.

It's not cut content. It was designed this way from before we saw the first demo. Waaaay back in 2018 (when we first saw Jackie), Kyle Rowley said the current second mission the game was (shocker) at the very start of the game.

Approximately 10:40 into the video (from June 14, 2018).



That mission he's discussing from the first demo is currently immediately after the montage currently, and is still the first meaningful combat encounter in the game. So how could content be considered cut if it was always planned that way from before we first saw Jackie?

The only logical answer is it couldn't and that it's not cut content. It was never meant to be in the game in the first place at launch. Could be a target for a later expansion though perhaps.

Given the dev time of 8 years, is 2018 "waaaay" back? I mean, Keanu wasn't even signed to the game until late 2018.

 

[Rawls]

Given the dev time of 8 years, is 2018 "waaaay" back? I mean, Keanu wasn't even signed to the game until late 2018.

That interview is from literally 4 days after we first saw Jackie as a character in the trailer, 3 days after demo first released showing the mission to journalists at E3 2018, and several months before the public saw it after Gamescom 2018. That means it was this way (the way it currently is) before we ever saw. Describing it as "cut content" when it's been this way since before we first saw is based on a false premise. It's been this way since we first saw it.

 

[warbaby2]

Intelligent people will find things and remember, notice it all. I sure did notice it. I thought, why is the dialog auto-translating, wouldn't I need something for that?

I also listened to a previous worker from here, in 2018, it was interesting to here their side of things..

I guess now, my mind races imagining all that even got cut here. I wanted that game, this team presented themselves and sold, forget us, right?

Probably... not that stuff like that not happens all the time in the industry.

Yup, pretty much... I'd even go so far as to say: Silverhand was never supposed to be in the game "in person", period... at most, he was a childhood hero of V, and maybe there once was a sidequest around the whole biochip story, but I doubt it was much more then that. The game's focus was always supposed to be V's rise to fame in Night City, nothing more, nothing less... and, sorry but, that's the game I wanted to play, honestly.

Yea yea, we gt it, still doesn't change the fact that a) there probably already had been many cuts before 2018 and b) the whole flashback montage feels incredibly tacky and out of place...

 

[decourcy22]

This game broke the rule of show, do not tell.

 

[Mobster100]

That interview is from literally 4 days after we first saw Jackie as a character in the trailer, 3 days after demo first released showing the mission to journalists at E3 2018, and several months before the public saw it after Gamescom 2018. That means it was this way (the way it currently is) before we ever saw. Describing it as "cut content" when it's been this way since before we first saw is based on a false premise. It's been this way since we first saw it.

But wouldn't you agree that most of the stuff mentioned or suggested in the trailer and the interview is not in the game as of now? The 6 month cutscene with V and Jackie, is not shown or spoken of in neither the interview or the trailer. It doesn't mean that it weren't planned to be that way from the start, but neither of these indicate that it was either as far as I see it.

 

[Rawls]

But wouldn't you agree that most of the stuff mentioned or suggested in the trailer and the interview is not in the game as of now?

If you want me to answer that, ask it in a thread where it's on topic.

The 6 month cutscene with V and Jackie, is not shown or spoken of in neither the interview or the trailer. It doesn't mean that it weren't planned to be that way from the start, but neither of these indicate that it was either as far as I see it.

Let's break this down:

1. The montage happens right before the mission "the Rescue."
2. The montage has several combat encounters.
3. The montage has several additional scenes.
4. The montage is suppose to represent six months of time passing when the main quest itself probably takes place over the course of a month or two.
5. "The Rescue" was described by a dev as "at the very start of the game" meant as the first example of dynamic combat.
6. "The Rescue" was not shown to the public until after that interview with Angry Joe.

All of those premises are true.

The only logical conclusion is that we weren't meant to play the montage at the time "The Rescue" was shown to the public. I would go further as to say the only logical conclusion is that we were never meant to play it. They're gonna have the player mess around side questing for 560 hours (180 days - each day is 3 hours real time) before even starting the main quest?!? No way. There is no legitimate way to present the montage as "cut content" in the sense that "we were supposed to have played it but CDPR cut the content for some inexplicable reason." That's plainly false. The much more likely answer is, they wanted to throw the player right into an exciting action piece right before the main quest kicks off, but also give a bit of a brief feel for the player of what life is like for V the Edgerunner in Night City.

 

[Zakwinters]

Exactly. Didn’t TW3 have a stupid long story? Why stop that trend with Cyberpunk? Give me all the story you can shove into that game, make me play it for years just to get every ounce of story out of it.

Jesus, isn’t that what TW3 basically did?

Look at red dead redemption. Long stories can be very rewarding for everyone. I played that game 3 times over a 2 year span and there are tons of people who would love to do the same for cp77 if it was rewarding enough

 

[Mobster100]

Let's break this down:

1. If the montage happens right before the mission "the Rescue."
2. The montage has several combat encounters.
3. The montage has several additional scenes.
4. "The Rescue" was described by a dev before we ever saw it as "at the very start of the game" meant as the first example of dynamic combat.
5. "The Rescue" was not shown to the public until after that interview with Angry Joe.

All of those premises are true. The only logical conclusion is that we weren't meant to play the montage at the time "The Rescue" was shown to the public. There is no legitimate way to present the montage as "cut content" in the sense that "we were supposed to have played it but CDPR cut the content doe some inexplicable reason." That's plainly false. The much more likely answer is, they wanted to throw the player right into an exciting action piece right before the main quest kicks off.

Just to be sure, this is the montage we are talking about right?

Personally I didn't get the impression that this was cut content, but that it was meant to show Jackie and V connecting. That is what you are arguing were never cut content right? If that is the case I would probably agree, even though, based on the interview and the trailer this is not mentioned.

The rescue mission is as far as I understand what they are talking about as being a mission to introduce combat etc, just like they had in TW3, I think the CDPR guy say that, if im not mistaken. But I didn't hear them talk about the montage in the video I linked above as always haven't been planned. However, to me as I have mentioned before, it didn't seem like cut content to me.

 

[Rawls]

Personally I didn't get the impression that this was cut content, but that it was meant to show Jackie and V connecting. That is what you are arguing were never cut content right? If that is the case I would probably agree, even though, based on the interview and the trailer this is not mentioned.

The rescue mission is as far as I understand what they are talking about as being a mission to introduce combat etc, just like they had in TW3, I think the CDPR guy say that, if im not mistaken. But I didn't hear them talk about the montage in the video I linked above as always haven't been planned. However, to me as I have mentioned before, it didn't seem like cut content.

Yes we are on the same page.

That video is "The Montage" that the OP of the thread pronounces was "cut content" - meaning content that could have been played by the player at one point. I am saying that it is 100% not cut content. That the montage was always meant as just that, a montage to give us a feel for Jackie and V as an Edgerunner team and friends.

The only reasons I posted the interview, is because it definitively shows the whole premise of this thread is false.

The rest of the discussion is for other threads. Just @ me in one of them and I'll respond.

 

[animalfather]

So its not cut content just bad game design. Ok that makes it worse.