Really CD Projekt !!....

[Singami]

You can have and express any opinion you want. But it is a very long distance between just expressing an opinion, and a hysteria with anger management issues.

This is a cancerous way of thinking??? Do you even know what 'interactive' mean? It is when a player provides an input, a player is responsible for his actions, the storyline and the world change depending on the input. Video games on our screens are fast-changing frames (exactly like a movie), and a player have control over certain aspects. That's it. And yes, if the game is good, this creates a much stronger bond.

Everything can be "interactive", but there's a great dispute over what is a video game and what isn't. Some games, like the upcoming Xbox One title "RYSE" just prompt you to press a button and then watch a cool animation where the guy gets slashed - QTE. Is QTE gameplay? Hardly. And that's the cancerous way of thinking - thinking that a game can be just a movie, where you press buttons when you're asked for it.

Source?
Please provide either quotes, links or statistics.
Merely asserting things just won't cut it. Anecdotal evidence is of no use either.

I'm sorry, but no "what types of people laugh at memes?" studies were created. Yet.

No, I really mean «fun».
When a game, any game, ceases to entertain it fails on a primordial level. Games can serve other purposes and can touch players in more ways than just entertain them, yet «a game which hasn't fun in mind» is simply an oxymoron.

No, it's not. You're still thinking about game as about toys for children, like Tetris or Mario. But games evolved beyond that. Yes, most games are still based on "fun" as their way of entertaining it's player, but as I said, there's a lot more newer titles that are interesting to the player in other ways.

So «interesting» is what defines fine art now, is it?

I've never said that, so stop making up stuff. I said that fine art, or even art in general, is based in curiosity. It can draw us to itself by being beautiful like paintings or sculptures, it can draw us by being fun, like games or movies. But it can also be distorted and vague, make us think, be interesting, while not always being pleasant. If it doesn't have that then well, it's just ordinary.
Nobody ever defined art, so trying to say "this is art while this isn't!" is a really bad idea.

There hasn't been anything like this in any Witcher game, and never will be. What you are talking about is an isolated presentation. Said "meme" was not in the game, or related to it in any form. That guy is obviously not one of the game writers. Stop worrying.

How can you tell? That' the whole point, nobody but the writers know.
I'm trying to tell you what many people feel and that's really excluding me. I don't think CDPR will stuff memes into their game, but... how can I tell? It's isolated, but it's official and it made a lot of people cringe.

 

[Agent_Blue]

I'm sorry, but no "what types of people laugh at memes?" studies were created. Yet.

Which only means your original claim is groundless.
So no sources, no links and no statistics?
Thanks for clearing that up.

No, it's not. You're still thinking about game as about toys for children, like Tetris or Mario. But games evolved beyond that. Yes, most games are still based on "fun" as their way of entertaining it's player, but as I said, there's a lot more newer titles that are interesting to the player in other ways.

No. I do not think of games as «about toys for children», something which should have been obvious to you since I play them all the time. In my mind fun is neither puerile nor simply frivolous.

I've never said that, so stop making up stuff. I said that fine art, or even art in general, is based in curiosity. It can draw us to itself by being beautiful like paintings or sculptures, it can draw us by being fun, like games or movies. But it can also be distorted and vague, make us think, be interesting, while not always being pleasant. If it doesn't have that then well, it's just ordinary.

A lot of things which clearly are not fine art could be said to be «based in curiosity». It's certainly not its root definition and is thus a pointless statement in the context of this discussion.

Nobody ever defined art, so trying to say "this is art while this isn't!" is a really bad idea.

What?!
Do you mean in the context of this thread or generally speaking?
Because either way, A ) it's been a central theme in philosophy, as, for example, Kant, Hegel and Heidegger all have devoted major morsels of their work to art and aesthetics. But more importantly, B ) it was you who brought up the whole art issue when you enlisted games as [fine] art thus providing an implicit definition of it. I disputed the claim and gave reasons why I believe it is a fundamental misunderstanding.

Bottom line: your entire case rests upon the premise that a lot of people got themselves worried sick over that meme. And yet you have failed to provide anything substantial to back up that claim. Until you do provide something other than assertions, it seems to me we have little to argue upon, since, though realizing it's an absolutely trivial matter, I'm not too keen on the meme either.

 

[Cs__sz__r]

Did someone say Lord of the Rings? />

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32kN5r-YZFY[/media]

Damned it all! Shall you never let me live that down?!

 

[vivaxardas2015]

Everything can be "interactive", but there's a great dispute over what is a video game and what isn't. Some games, like the upcoming Xbox One title "RYSE" just prompt you to press a button and then watch a cool animation where the guy gets slashed - QTE. Is QTE gameplay? Hardly. And that's the cancerous way of thinking - thinking that a game can be just a movie, where you press buttons when you're asked for it.

Everything can be "interactive", what exactly do you mean? I am genuinely confused here. First of all, number seven falls under a category of 'everything', and I have no idea how number seven can be interactive. Second, what is "interactive" (with quote signs)? They are used to indicate that we are talking about the word itself, not about what this word expresses. And not everything is the word, and not this particular one.

Second, just because sometimes interactivity in some games has a lot to be desired, it does not mean that video games are not interactive video sequences, and what sequence we get on a screen depends on our input. Nobody is claiming that the game is just a movie, which asks you to press buttons at certain times. 'Interactivity' is a general concept, and it is not restricted just to QTE.

Second, actually, it was a suggestion that the games are in the same category as movies (as being a sequence of frames on a screen), and if movies can be art, so are the games.

 

[Glaroug.531]

Damned it all! Shall you never let me live that down?!

Muahahaha!

 

[Singami]

Which only means your original claim is groundless.
No sources, no links and no statistics?
Thanks for clearing that up.

If you're really expect from someone to spend their time on trying to draw correlation between the IQ of a certain person and the probability of them liking memes and you won't believe anything other than such work, you're really trying to hard to sound intelligent.
I gave you a solid argument why meme isn't a really a good joke. You can correlate that to a fact, that people that enjoy such low humor are generally from the ones of the more simple-minded. You want screencaps of people being angry? Well, just look at this thread - or should I look for more such comments for you, just so you'll feel convinced?

A lot of things which clearly are not fine art could be said to be «based in curiosity». It's certainly not its root definition and is thus a pointless statement in the context of this discussion.

No, it's not. Just because the sun is round, doesn't mean that a ball lying on the back of your room is the sun because it has the same characteristic.
I'm going to repeat myself again, as you're purposefully ignoring every argument that might break your assumptions - there are multiple, even hundreds of games that aren't "fun", that drive the player forward not by the simple "do thing, get rewarded" scheme, but the powers of curiosity, fear, sometimes even addiction. It's actually a big topic in game's design on "how to encourage the player to move forward" and writing that all off as "fun" is a pointless generalization.

What?!
Do you mean in the context of this thread or generally speaking?
Because either way, A ) it's been a central theme in philosophy, as, for example, Kant, Hegel and Heidegger all have devoted major morsels of their work to art and aesthetics. But more importantly, B ) it was you who brought up the whole art issue when you enlisted games as [fine] art thus providing an implicit definition of it. I disputed the claim and gave reasons why I believe it is a fundamental misunderstanding.

I've never brought fine arts into this argument until you've namedropped them, using a faulty argument in which games only serve to entertain. Whichever definition of "fine art" you want to use, you'll find a game already that fits into it.

Bottom line: your entire case rests upon the premise that a lot of people got themselves worried sick over that meme. And yet you have failed to provide anything substantial to back up that claim. Until you do provide something other than assertions, it seems to me we have little to argue upon, since, though realizing it's an absolutely trivial matter, I'm not too keen on the meme either.

You do realize that sitting in a thread, that was created by someone upset at the joke made during Gamescom and saying "Noo, I don't see anyone getting angry at that" is pretty... blind? Maybe I should screencap every negative comment about it from now on, to prove that people are, in fact, angry about this?

 

[Senteria]

Last contribution to this thread:

Lighten up and... smile.
Or have you all gone silé de tansarville on me? Ciriously.

 

[Agent_Blue]

Second, just because sometimes interactivity in some games has a lot to be desired, it does not mean that video games are not interactive video sequences, and what sequence we get on a screen depends on our input. Nobody is claiming that the game is just a movie, which asks you to press buttons at certain times. 'Interactivity' is a general concept, and it is not restricted just to QTE.

If memory serves me well, Heavy Rain got some heat for lacking interactivity, didn't it? It is a distinctive intrinsic feature, a necessity.

QTEs are interactive, just less so than ordinary gameplay, so to speak. That's why those who value interactivity tend to prefer ordinary gameplay over QTEs.

Last contribution to this thread:

Lighten up and... smile.
Or have you all gone silé de tansarville on me? Ciriously. />/>/>/>

Know what, you're right. It's an utterly trivial matter, even in the context of a videogame. Not brain surgery, not a cure for cancer. I thus call upon Ciri puns to derail this thread for good into mad fun.

 

[arkblazer]

All of you need to silé out. dont take a silly meme too ciriously.

 

[didymos1120]

Closest thing would be the Lotr reference/joke.

There's tons of stuff like that in both games.

 

[didymos1120]

All of you need to silé out. dont take a silly meme too ciriously.

*groan*

 

[Thothistox]

Well, this is a really long thread. I may as well add my two cents to the pile.

Firstly, I can see that a lot of people are put off by the references to Skyrim. Not just the joke, but CDPR's members saying they were impressed with the game, the comments here, the comments on the youtube video and so on. In my opinion Skyrim was a very high budget game with a huge world and nothing else. It was downright awful, with awful vapid characters, awful writing, awful acting, horribly talentless in-game books, and the most generic story in RPGs--the dreaded wonderchild cliche. I don't want CDPR to ever go in that direction, and when they say they like Skyrim I really hope they just mean that in the sense of a business case.

At the same time, I don't blame the guy for making that joke. As Guy pointed out, we don't want CDPR to curtail people's freedom to make ad hoc comments. English isn't even his first language. I tried to learn a language as an adult (Swedish -- my third) and I know that the limits of one's abilties can sometimes make a person say odd things, especially when attempting a joke.

Third, games can be an art form. In the 1920's people debated whether jazz was really a form of music, or if it was casual and 'just for fun'. I think that in the future, there will be as little doubt about games being an art form. Also, I think that history will treat the Witcher series very well indeed.

 

[AngelOfPassion]

I love little easter eggs inside games. Especially in dialogue. Like in X3: Terran Conflict. I have only played the game for about 40 hours but I find it really funny when a police ship scanned my ship. Their captain came over the intercom and said, "These aren't the ships we are looking for."

I find things like that really great when they fit right in.

 

[alextyc1]

Goosfraba

 

[arkblazer]

*groan*

Oh please, i dare you to come up with any better

 

[sn00p.156]

Why is this topic not locked yet?

 

[ionmilescu]

"CRITIC, n. A person who boasts himself hard to please because nobody tries to please him." [Bierce]

Do you really want the Red team to take you so seriously that they clam up and say nothing that hasn't been approved by PR? That's what attacking them for off-the-cuff comments does. That's what companies who have come to fear their self-proclaimed fans do.

Making, publishing, buying, and playing games is supposed to be fun. There is no other reason to do any of these things at all. Disapproval in the name of high seriousness has no place in this.

What Dex are you using?... is it the duchebags edition?

 

[Cs__sz__r]

There's tons of stuff like that in both games.

Yes, but a lot of them or subtle. That one is like a knight traipsing around in the night, trying to alert no one.

 

[jediknight16]

I love easter eggs like those we have in the witcher saga, and skyrim has a lot of things to laugh about

 

[Damariel]

Talking about meme's now? why not creating new thread about it instead>?

We are too lazy to do that ;]

@sn00p because of smiling faces in dev team ;]